Building a computer

Hi, i built my first computer in july of 08 with a lot of help from this site and would love to get it again, last one was for me and i knew what i wanted so it was easy… this one is for my father so i just know price range really.

he is looking at around $800 maybe a little higher and want to be able to play a few games, mainly modern warfare and operation flashpoint 2.
any help i can get will be greatly appreciated.

Another source as well would be to look at Newegg site and look at their basic computer setups cause some of those might fit your need as well. Assuming your in the US. Cause right now not knowing where your from and makes it hard to determine what you should look at and compare to find out what will fit your build specs??

You can buy a cheap PC on newegg and just add some RAM and a new video card

yea, i have shown him the pc’s on newegg… he was indecisive was planning on using newegg and maybe tigerdirect once i had an idea on the most i can get for the price.
and yes, i am in US, Tennessee

Does he need a monitor with that budget?

Are you a student? You can get Win 7 for ~$30 ordering direct.

edit: Also your in TN so newegg purchases get taxed :frowning: Off to tigerdirect and directron we go :smiley:

Okay to get you going:

One thing from the egg:
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Its the fastest right now, and FS at the egg (only place that has it too). $55

From Directron:
PowerColor AX5770 512MD5-H Radeon HD5770 512MB GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 Video Card. Retail box $150
A-data 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz (PC3-10600) Dual Kit Desktop Memory, 240-pin, Non-ECC, Unbuffered. Model: AD3U1333B2G9-2 $100 RAM is expensive currently.

From Tigerdirect:
Combo Deal Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H Motherboard & Intel Core i3 530 Processor $210
Corsair CX400W Power Supply - 400-Watt Plenty of clean power for this build. $55
Cooler Master Elite 335 Black ATX RoHS Case $50
Viewsonic VX2433wm 24" Class Widescreen HD LCD Monitor - 1920 x 1080 $200

Thats $820, tiger has free shipping, you will need an OS + keyboard/mouse.

thanks for the help… now the fun part of talking him into why this is better than getting something from bestbuy. hopefully he will have the money soon, i am so ready to put it together

According to ThG Samsung F3 seems to be one of the slowest drives available and I havent heard good things about Samsungs reliability on HDDs but I dont have any real facts on it. Having that in mind WD Black seems to be much better choice…
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/2tb-hdd-7200,2430.html this roundup ( http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/storage/print/1tb-14hdd-roundup.html ) also seems to confirm that also in general.

In general ncixus seems to be cheaper than Directron and Tiger

No combo deal on CPU or Motherboard which makes it a bit more expensive but it’ll even out having shipping costs in mind. You’ll probably be more happy with the Intel board due to the fact that it uses Intel LAN (which is much better than Realtek) and 2 PCI-Express slots instead of the dated PCI slots.

http://www.ncixus.com/products/index.php?sku=48959&promoid=1084
http://www.ncixus.com/products/48967/BOXDH55TC/Intel/

As for case you have two choices, either the Centurion 5 which is a very nice mid-tower
http://www.ncixus.com/products/13954/CAC-T05-UW/COOLERMASTER/
or the awesome little SG02 from Silverstone(tek)
http://www.ncixus.com/products/28973/SG02B-F/Silverstone%20Technology/

As for PSU, the OCZ is modular which will help a lot of you go for the SG02 its a pretty decent PSU (having the mail-in rebate) in mind otherwise you have the stock Corsair also available.
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=35456&promoid=1084&vpn=OCZ700MXSP&manufacture=OCZ%20Technology
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=33357&promoid=1084&vpn=CMPSU-400CX&manufacture=Corsair

I’m not sure about taxes though…

//Danne

Those reviews don’t have the SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB, this review does and states it beats a much larger test group.

" Even our expectations were surpassed with average read and write speeds of over 110MB/s which is great result. If you take a look at already mentioned Hard Drive Roundup you will notice that none of those drives reached those values when it comes to average transfer rates."
InsideHW Spinpoint F3 500GB
InsideHW test group WD 640GB AAKS drive @~95MB/s

NCIX doesn’t charge tax to the US. But Tigerdirect is better since there is free shipping and no tax.

[QUOTE=Eacer;2488264]thanks for the help… now the fun part of talking him into why this is better than getting something from bestbuy. hopefully he will have the money soon, i am so ready to put it together[/QUOTE]

A prebuilt system will have inferior components, not to mention a weak or nonexistent video card. Since you don’t have the OS and monitor the price will be on the high side, also RAM is very expensive currently. We could build a less powerful (cpu wise) system with a E6300 cpu and a P43 MB, and a slightly lesser monitor, that would save about $60, that’s not worth the downgrade at all.

http://translate.google.es/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=es&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pc-experience.de%2Fwbb2%2Fthread.php%3Fthreadid%3D29290&sl=de&tl=en&history_state0=de
WD Black is still faster :slight_smile:

AAKS = Blue no Black

How is ordering from 3 different places better than one?
I doubt ncixus have insane shipping costs.

//Danne

According to that review the AALS drive is 2.5dB louder, they say it has “significant vibrations, should be decoupled and insulated” (for the F3 drive “minimal vibration must not be decoupled”), Also the AALS drive is 2 platters while the F3 500GB is a single. While that particular review says its a couple MB/s faster I think I stick with the new (and quiet) F3 drive :wink:

Given their “track record” I wouldn’t…
The MB/s isn’t really that interesting, IOPs and access time is on the other hand :slight_smile:
//Danne

only question i really had was with the motherboard because tigerdirect didnt mention any pci-e slots at all, but did a little reading elsewhere and seen otherwise…

You have two, but you also get 2x PCI slots which makes the Intel board much more suitable which have one 16x, 2* 1x and one PCI slot.
Not to mention only 2 (!) RAM slots, that’s downright poor these days.
//Danne

[QUOTE=DiiZzY;2488881]only 2 (!) RAM slots, that’s downright poor these days.
//Danne[/QUOTE]

I agree with that. The official JEDEC standard for DDR3 memory allows up to two double-sided (or double-banked or double-ranked) modules per channel at up to DDR3-1333 speed (the maximum memory speed officially supported by the Socket 1156 CPU’s on-die memory controller). Thus, a properly designed Socket 1156 motherboard should have four RAM slots. If a Socket 1156 motherboard has only two RAM slots, the manufacturer of that particular motherboard has cut costs in a not-so-good way. Likewise with a Socket 1366 motherboard that has only three RAM slots.

[QUOTE=DiiZzY;2488625]Given their “track record” I wouldn’t…
The MB/s isn’t really that interesting, IOPs and access time is on the other hand :slight_smile:
//Danne[/QUOTE]

According to that translated review, the F3 and the AALS both have roughly equal MB/s sequential rates. But the F3 has a slightly longer access time and lags noticeably in the IOPs.

[QUOTE=DiiZzY;2488296]No combo deal on CPU or Motherboard which makes it a bit more expensive but it’ll even out having shipping costs in mind. You’ll probably be more happy with the Intel board due to the fact that it uses Intel LAN (which is much better than Realtek) and 2 PCI-Express slots instead of the dated PCI slots.

http://www.ncixus.com/products/index.php?sku=48959&promoid=1084
http://www.ncixus.com/products/48967/BOXDH55TC/Intel/[/QUOTE]

In addition, like most of the newer Intel-brand motherboards, it has no PATA connectors at all. Too bad many resellers (and big-box retailers) sell internal optical drives only with the dated PATA interface and do not carry SATA optical drives at all.

What planet are you living on?
//Danne

[QUOTE=DiiZzY;2490846]What planet are you living on?
//Danne[/QUOTE]

I just live somewhere where there are little else but big-box retailers. The problem is, most of them in my area do not carry much if any computer parts - and what little computer hardware most of them carry are primarily intended for older systems.

Of course, this is merely based on physical stores in my immediate area, and does not include online operations originating from out of state. Even today, one is much more likely to find an SATA optical drive online than inside an actual retail store. But that may change as many older systems which lack SATA ports are being retired by their users.