Brands and disc types that are fake Taiyo Yudens

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#622

Hi all,

Sadly I stumbled onto this discussion a bit late, having just ordered some “TY” discs last week. I’m posting to get your opinion on whether or not they’re genuine, since I’m getting a lot of “power calibration errors”.

I got the 50-pack from here:
http://meritline.com/taiyo-yuden-8x-dvd-r-silver-thermal.html
(I noticed the meritline discussion earlier in the thread; I would have shopped elsewhere had I known!)

DVD Identifier Results:


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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:TYG02]
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Disc & Book Type :       [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name :      [Taiyo Yuden Co. Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID :        [TYG02]
Blank Disc Capacity :    [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]
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Looking at the disc in CD-DVD Speed v4.11:

Stuck a disc in my scanner. Original scan (1100px square) located here.

Code 1: “GG007009”, I gathered this was a good sign?

Code 2: Dunno what to make of it, but there ya go.

Inner Hub: I tried to rub a little ink in there to make it show up better. Code reads “1F623A108298GG”. Inner hub is also transparent, not translucent - wasn’t sure if this was an important feature (I also ordered some T-Y CD-R’s at the same time; they have a translucent hub and appear to be genuine, from what I can tell.) I highlighted the lettering in the second image in photoshop:

Sadly, I no longer have the cakebox inserts (the rubbish is smelly) but from what I recall, they looked almost exactly like the ones posted by theEye in the “Cakebox Gallery” thread. Reposted here for simplicity (although mine said 8X not 16X):

The cakebox says >PP< on top, no other markings of any real interest. (Sorry for the quality, all I have is my phone.)


The one label sticker says


Taiyo Yuden 
DVD-R8X 
MID TYG02

The reason I’m posting is because I’ve been getting “power calibration errors” with these on my NEC 2510A (using Herrie’s v3-2 firmware.) I read through the thread, but I wasn’t able to get a clear sense of what to look for to identify a fake. The the “1F…” hub code worries me; as well as the fact that the “Manufacturer” shows up as “unknown” in CD-DVD Speed. I can’t find any sort of marking to indicate where they were made or anything like that. What do you think?

Thanks for your help! My apologies if this breaks any sort of forum rules/conventions, I’m just extremely curious.


#623

Mystic Pixel, they’re real. Between the ‘GG’ code and also the fact that I’ve never read of a single case of any of the ‘known’ online retailers advertising TY media and shipping anything but genuine TY. Regarding the listed Manufacturer in CD-DVD Speed, I would not pay any attention to that as those programs just state the manufacturer via what the media code is read as and the programs don’t necessarily list them and also does not list it for me with TY media - and for that matter even if it did state ‘Taiyo Yuden’, it would be inaccurate in any situation of ‘fake’ media using the TY media code. The 2510 is a great burner but getting Power Calibration Errors is not uncommon of ‘dying’ drives, and it seems to be a particularly common trait with that drive, so I would not blame the media for your problems. Probably time to get a new burner (and newer NEC drives are not of the quality of older NECs so I would tend to look elsewhere). BTW, nice job on providing all the details that you did.


#624

Sweet! Thanks for the reply :slight_smile:

Between the ‘GG’ code and also the fact that I’ve never read of a single case of any of the ‘known’ online retailers advertising TY media and shipping anything but genuine TY.

I thought so, but I searched this thread for “meritline” and I found several posts indicating that some fishy things might be going on with them, which got me concerned.

Regarding the listed Manufacturer in CD-DVD Speed, I would not pay any attention to that as those programs just state the manufacturer via what the media code is read as and the programs don’t necessarily list them and also does not list it for me with TY media - and for that matter even if it did state ‘Taiyo Yuden’, it would be inaccurate in any situation of ‘fake’ media using the TY media code.
I understand the possibilities for faked codes and such, I was just putting it in there as a reference of sorts.
The 2510 is a great burner but getting Power Calibration Errors is not uncommon of ‘dying’ drives, and it seems to be a particularly common trait with that drive, so I would not blame the media for your problems. Probably time to get a new burner (and newer NEC drives are not of the quality of older NECs so I would tend to look elsewhere).

Sad to hear… It’s pissing me off… keeps happening, even at 4x and 2x. :frowning: I suppose nothing can be done to fix it? (no one answer that – I’ll take that question elsewhere so as to keep this thread on topic.) Thanks for the info.

BTW, nice job on providing all the details that you did.

Just trying to make my first post on the forum a quality one :smiley:


#625

I was very close to order the eCircle Taiyo Yuden 8x Speed Spindle 100-pack from here:

http://www.nierle3.com/s01.php?sid=PG004553968335458203216833545820&shopid=s01&cur=eur&sp=en&ag=1&os=1&br=1&pp=aa&bnr=3757

But I stumbled on a thread here that said they were not confirmed to be legit, so I thought I’d ask again just to make sure.

They have the correct media code, but that doesn’t tell the whole story does it, since it can be faked? The same company sell other dvd’s that are listed as fake on digitalfaq.com so it seems suspicious.

Too bad since I heard a lot of good things about Taiyo Yuden, because the price for these was really good.

(price is about 30-31 dollars for 100 pieces)


#626

Avoid it. It’s impossible to get any genuine TY for that price except in Greece (where you can get [I]value line[/I] silver shiny for this price).


#627

Thanks!


#628

Someone on a Danish forum (recordere.dk) bought some of these and also confirmed that they did not have the hub codes of genuine Taiyo Yuden media (GG00nnnn where nnnn are numbers).

EDIT:

@paragon9: Welcome to CDFreaks! :slight_smile:


#629
    • Merged two other threads into this thread * *

E-CIRCLE" TY from Iwonatec

eCircle Taiyo Yuden legit or not?


#630

It seems like the same one I got it from Supermediastore.com as premium TY silver thermal at $36.99+tax. Actually it looks exactly like it. Mine has batch number 242 which is same as on the picture and 234.
And also mine has JF6 or LE6 over stamped (or should I say inscribed) on the hub in addition to looks like s/n.
So as I mentioned in several post, beware of Supermediastore.com and don’t be tricked by them. Maybe it is good just order valueline only from them might be a good idea…what could be worse than buying valueline at premium price :a


#631

Hi! I am new to the forum although I’ve been a keen reader for years. I bought from Greece ( http://www.eshop.gr/show_ana.phtml?kodikos=ANA.TAY0034 ) some dvd-r 8x that seem to be original taiyo yuden. They are recognized as TYG02 by nero info tool and they have the code GG007009. As you can see in the above link they mention that they are made in Japan.
Do you believe that they are genuine Taiyo Yuden? Thanks!


#632

They are genuine for sure. :slight_smile:
Taiyo Yuden Blue is a product of Disc Impex.

(If the shop emphasizes that they’re Made in Japan, they’re most likely always genuine.)


#633

I forgot to say thanks! Happy new year!


#634

Was asked to see what disc this really is turns out it’s fake TYG02

It’s a 8x DVD-R that’s pintable all the way to the hub.

IFPI A370 is on the hub on the media side and right above that the Hub code reads DVD-R 8X 302 and the glue is really shoddy on the hub as well

Benchmarked it but I’m still not using it just hope this helps others.


Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:TYG02]

Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [Taiyo Yuden Co. Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID : [TYG02]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]

** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Media Code’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘Media Code’-Block Present
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 00 f8 00 00 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00 02 87 0d 10 …@…R…
0010 : 66 78 80 00 03 54 59 47 30 32 00 00 04 00 00 00 fx…TYG02…
0020 : 00 00 00 00 05 aa a2 22 22 20 02 00 06 08 0e 11 …"" …
0030 : 87 78 80 00 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 08 06 13 0d .x…
0040 : 10 0e 07 00 09 97 07 0d 0b 78 88 00 0a 80 00 00 …x…
0050 : 00 00 10 00 0b 06 18 17 85 78 75 00 0c d6 89 a8 …xu…
0060 : 92 01 20 00 0d 10 00 d0 00 00 00 00 0e 09 21 35 … …!5
0070 : 2d 29 1b 00 0f 50 1b 2b 1d 97 b5 00 10 88 84 00 -)…P.+…
0080 : 04 00 04 00 11 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 12 09 2d 35 …-5
0090 : 2d 2b 1a 00 13 50 1d 2b 1f 97 b5 00 14 88 80 00 -+…P.+…
00a0 : 00 00 00 00 15 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00b0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00c0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00d0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00e0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00f0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …

** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Control Data Zone’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘CDZ’-Block Present
** INFO : Format 10h - Physical Format Information Of Control Data Zone
0000 : 02 08 00 00 25 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 12 7f …%…&…
0010 : 00 00 00 00 …


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#635

The burn curve is healthy, but this doesn’t tell us much.

The IFPI code and the DVD-R code makes clear that it’s most likely fake Taiyo Yuden.
If you have bought it under an off-the-wall brand like Sonic, Laser… you can only return it to the shop where you bought it from.
If you have bought it under the “Taiyo Yuden” brand please also contact Taiyo Yuden about the fakes.

What about a read transfer test? :flower:


#636

Hi guys, there’s a shop around the corner from me claiming to sell Zero branded TYG02, full face printable at €12 / 50 unit cakebox. Anyone heard of these yet? I’m most inclined to shout fake, but… :confused:


#637

I’ll let [B]kg_evilboy[/B] make comments from the shape of the cakebox, from the picture I found…



#638

Fake I never saw a TY cakebox that looked like that one :Z

Was he selling them from the back seat of his car?


#639

That’s the pic on their website too, they are screaming “fake” all over the cakebox, but I thought I’d ask nonetheless. Thanks guys, I guess that’s one more to add to the list?


#640

Hmm. There’s some “Japanese” (actually faux-Japanese, or Katakana English) on it…
インクジエゾ(?)トブリンタ… (cannot read more), and it means Inkjet printable from what I can recognize (it’s possibly pronounced like inkujietsuto purinta…).

TY has been known to use some gray bottom cakeboxes for Panasonic and Fuji media, but it was mostly 25 disc cakeboxes. But the gray spacer[B]s[/B]! are not really like TY, more like Daxon or TDK Luxembourg. My 25 disc Fuji gray bottom cakeboxes had blueish styrofoam spacers.

I don’t think this is real TY. Just my opinion, and I second (or third) the others here.


#641

I’m getting tempted to go there, waste €12 and remove all doubts… :rolleyes: