Blame Canada, it does 50% of the world's movie piracy!

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I am sure some of you have read the MPAA FUD that has been circulating around on the net lately. Apparently my great country is responsible for 50% of the world’s movie piracy, due to our lax…

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I live in Montreal and I remember hearing something like this last year, that cinemas in Montreal and around Quebec were a huge source of “camcorder” pirated movies, because if you are caught in a cinema taping a movie, the worst they can do is ask you to leave ! While I do think that these people should be punished or fined more for doing that, I am happy that I am free to download what I want from the Internet without Big Brother crashing down my door!

I need to post again because I just re-read the author’s last paragraph. from the source: “movies recorded in Canada are quickly filtered through organized crime groups and circulated around the world” The SOURCE of the material is coming from Canada and the piracy in Asia, Russia and India that you mention is where the material ends up and get mass copied / distributed and sold for $1 on the street. P.S. If the MPAA postpones releases in Canada then they will just cause an increase in people copying/downloading movies they can’t see, while losing the revenues that come with. Here’s a fact that will make it tough for the greedy MPAA: Quebec often has the highest cinema revenues in North America for big releases. Example, the higest revenue cinema in North America for Titanic was somwhere near Quebec city. The province is a huge movie-going population.

“Here’s a fact that will make it tough for the greedy MPAA: Quebec often has the highest cinema revenues in North America for big releases. Example, the higest revenue cinema in North America for Titanic was somwhere near Quebec city. The province is a huge movie-going population.” You still don’t understand. The MPAA doesn’t want your money, they want MORE of your money than what you currently give them. :r

Ranmacanada, “a little country”? Canada? :slight_smile: I think you are the second largest country in the world! You are an enourmous country with a relatively small population. :wink:

How do the blank media levies work? There’s obviously no way to comprehensively track who is downloading what, so how do they determine the proper amount of reimbursement to the copyright holders? Or does Canada just “ballpark” the figure and pay what they want? Would you still be so happy with this pricing system if your bank “ballparked” the amount of interest they owe you? Or your employer only paid you “what they think is fair”? How about if the work of youself and your coworkers was assessed en masse and paid out in one big chunk with no regard for who did more work? Happy downloading tovarishchi!

the levies work out as a distributed payment directly to the artists. This lets you know just how much has been paid out from the levies. Take a gander at the page and see what you think. I believe it is more then fair. If every country did it this way, with levies, then the RIAA would not really be needed. And any extra monies the artists feels they are deserved they would have to earn through touring.

Let’s start with the fact that music downloading and sales of the levied products are not necessarily strongly correlated. Blank media levies can only account for songs that the user chooses to actually burn. With the rise of living room HTPCs and other methods of playing digital media files, burning CDs is downright antiquated for some people. Not to mention the poor folks who buy such CDs to create custom mixes of music they have already bought and paid for. Or lucky Canucks who have friends south of the border stock up for them. The other major class of devices- portable players- must have a tremendous amount of usage data in order for compensation to be even roughly calculated. Average number of songs used with each player, average life of the player, etc. must all be determined to even approach a statistically valid levy value. If such a study exists, I would love to see it just out of curiosity unrelated to this discussion. This relative haphazardness of this arrangement goes back to the issue of accurately and properly compensating each individual artist. Lets assume for the sake of argument, that the levy system collects the exact amount of lost revenue for the CRIA to distribute. Neither the essay nor anyone else has addressed the inability to accurately distribute that lump sum to individual copyright holders with any meaningful amount of accuracy. I’d like to hear how you all would address the hypothetical I posed earlier; is this the way in which you would like to be compensated for your work? En masse, with only an approximation of your relative successfulness or ineptitude in relation to your competitors? As flawed as it was, the Soviet Union tried its damndest to make a socialist economy work for over 40 years. I am quite frankly surprised to see people seduced by the vision of collectivization so soon after their failure. This is all somewhat ancilliary to what I believe is the crux of the issue- does the government have a right to determine how you use your private property? In the abstract, the answer is undoubtedly yes, as the concept of eminent domain has been upheld throught the Western world. However, the concept has always had to meet a standard of both being critical for the common good, and being the only reasonable method for obtaining that benefit. Seizing and compensating owners for privates homes in the way of highway overpasses is the common example. But is music critical to the common good? Will the nation of Canada collapse if we never hear another Celine Dion song? OK- bad example. Apply the same principle to other non-critical industries and see if you still agree: Dear independent software developer, You have developed a useful and popular program. It is unique enough that we have issued a copyright acknowledging your right to profit from the work you have put into developing your creation. But we are also allowing citizens to make copies of your program for their private use. We will do our best to determine the amount of lost revenue that your industry of software development suffers from our legislative program. We will also endeavor to figure out, to the best of our ability, what percentage of those funds deserve to go to you as an individual. We are sure you are happy with our best efforts, and if you are still dissatisfied, you can always go back to work and make another program to make money off of. After all, do you really care if you lose some money as long as we get it kind of right? Best Wishes, Canada P.S. The figures we estimate above will be provided by a government organization funded by your tax dollars. Have a nice day!

The reason why canada has more box office gross is everyone there is recording it on camcorder. :B

It’s not a bad idea actually if you put it in a different perspective. What they should do is instead do the levy but require users to allow internet and or in some other way state which music/video they are burning, and make sure the levy goes to that content, therefore having a fairer gain for the artist/movie. I have always felt there should be a form of price control on certain things. Why should the super greedy screw you over rich have things we can’t? Everyone can screw over everyone and then what kind of world would we be in? So its time we are a little fairer. This is why the poor are more likely to commit a crime and get caught and why the rich commit crime and not get caught, they have the money to pay everyone off. We start off with music, movies and then soon something else. There will come a time where everyone will just get pissed off and well the world can just end up taking a turn for the worst. If the industry cant lower prices, then force them. :frowning:

I’m not even going to dignify the MPAA shrill rubbish with a reply. I live in a free country. We’ll stay free, free of special interest lobbies of that calibre. That alone is enough to irk them.

They were talking about revamping our copyright laws a few years back, but luckily we keep voting in minority governments and nothing gets done. They spend too much time squabbling about Afghanistan and tax on income trusts and accountability to bother drafting up the legislation. So to all the Canadians out there… lets keep voting in all different directions so that not one party gets a majority.

I’m from Canada and I illegally download games, music, TV shows, movies and porn. Just try and stop me. MUhahahahahaha. :slight_smile:

dukenukem, look in front of ur door, do u see the van with tint windows!!! it s the end 4 u!!! :B

@Roj I would not call a concept that is rooted in over 800 years of English common law tradition, “rubbish”. People may disagree over the structure of the modern entertainment industry, but how can you really begrudge the idea of a man having legal control of his own inventions- whether they be tangible or artistic?

Yah but most of what you are downloading isn’t actually illegal here… you’re allowed personal copies of things… you’re even allowed to have a shared file directory on a p2p network. The laws here are so antiquated it kicks serious ass. The only law that deals with p2p comes from a ruling on audio files where a judge stated p2p was no different then putting a photocopier in a library. As for comparing the entertainment industry with a man having legal control over his own inventions. Umm don’t patents run out after 10 years… or at least you’re ability to have full and complete control of them. It is hard to compete with free, but with the RIAA/MPAA put out worse products then pirates, and charge for it… how can they hope to compete?

It is kind of funny that Cannada is doing this. When MPAA and RIAA as allways talking about Asia etc. LOL

Music CD-R’s while not popular have the same royalty in the US. I am not sure they still sell them but I saw them 5 years ago at Best Buy stores.

mpaa & riaa must be pushing new laws in canada, but who knows the statistics of actual piracy anyway.

@Zod Yes, patents have a relatively short lifespan- sometimes very short as is the case with pharma patents. But copyrights last an awful long time. For example, the original “Steamboat Willie” version of Mickey Mouse from 1928 just became public domain for the first time a few years ago. Likewise, old Elvis and Sinatra recordings are still under copyright.