Bdr-s08j-bk

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#1

Greetings.

Thinking of getting a BDR-S08J-BK (MIJ) to replace the BDR-206 that seems to be having difficulty lately with 50GB DL media (both the That’s branded TDKBLDRFB-000 (MIC) and JVC branded MEI-T02-001 (MIJ).)

Quality scan would invariably show huge jump in both LDC and BIS errors starting at about 23.5GB when read speed reaches 4x.

  1. Is the difference between -BK and -KR mainly cosmetic, “Piano Black” vs “Black Rubber”?

  2. Is the use of R8J32740FP42 Renesas chipset (instead of R8J32740FP44) a concern? What are the differences?

  3. According to this report, the BDR-S08J-BK had problem mounting a Panasonic 50GB MEI-T02-001. Is this a widespread problem?

http://homepage2.nifty.com/yss/bdrs08j/bdrs08j_p2.htm


初期不良のため、マウントできず

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        BKの方は初期不良のようで、やはりどうやってもブランク2層メディアがマウントできません。
è¿½åŠ è³¼å…¥ã—ãŸKRの方は当然普通に使えますが、予想より少し悪いです。1層メインに使った方が安心な気はします。
(エラーが比較的多めなのは、メディア側の問題の可能性もあります)

  1. Is there a significant improvement in burn quality compared to the BDR-208JBK (MIC) costing only half as much, especially for the 50GB DL media?

Thanks and best regards.


#2

[QUOTE=mariner8611;2691483]http://www3.pioneer.co.jp/product/product_info.php?product_no=00005631&cate_cd=115&option_no=1

Greetings.

Thinking of getting a BDR-S08J-BK (MIJ) to replace the BDR-206 that seems to be having difficulty lately with 50GB DL media (both the That’s branded TDKBLDRFB-000 (MIC) and JVC branded MEI-T02-001 (MIJ).)

Quality scan would invariably show huge jump in both LDC and BIS errors starting at about 23.5GB when read speed reaches 4x.

  1. Is the difference between -BK and -KR mainly cosmetic, “Piano Black” vs “Black Rubber”?[/quote]
    Should be completely cosmetic, unless you find that the retail packages contain something different.
  1. Is the use of [B]R8J32740[/B]FP42 Renesas chipset (instead of [B]R8J32740[/B]FP44) a concern? What are the differences?
    Same family of chips, pretty much the same chip. The FP42 is likely just a die shrink, or slightly more cost-reduced in some unimportant way relative to the FP44. The part in bold is all that matters.
  1. According to this report, the BDR-S08J-BK had problem mounting a Panasonic 50GB MEI-T02-001. Is this a widespread problem?

http://homepage2.nifty.com/yss/bdrs08j/bdrs08j_p2.htm


初期不良のため、マウントできず

コメント等     
        BKの方は初期不良のようで、やはりどうやってもブランク2層メディアがマウントできません。
è¿½åŠ è³¼å…¥ã—ãŸKRの方は当然普通に使えますが、予想より少し悪いです。1層メインに使った方が安心な気はします。
(エラーが比較的多めなのは、メディア側の問題の可能性もあります)

No. It just happens from time to time. Glitch, bad media, whatever you may call it, it’s not a widespread issue with this drive or that media.

  1. Is there a significant improvement in burn quality compared to the BDR-208JBK (MIC) costing only half as much, especially for the 50GB DL media?
    Essentially the same drive with the same write quality. The S-version has always been the premium packaged with aesthetic differences and a few extra software features compares. There should be no burning quality difference at all. There may be noise reduction due to a slightly different casing, and it’s likely that build quality will be the tiniest bit better with the MIJ drive; overall, though, you should get the same read/write capabilities and quality from any 208 drive. (There will understandably be quality differences from drive to drive, regardless.)

There are a number of people happily using drives made in China. However, if you have the chance for a MIJ drive, go for it, just because it’s rare to get premium products these days.


#3

Yup, if you have that chance, [B]go for it![/B]


#4

Thanks for the replies, Albert and Chef.

Any suggestions for DL media to go with the S08J? Quality scans of the Panasonic 6x and 4x media don’t look very reassuring.

Best regards.

Panasonic DL 6x MEI-RB1-001

Panasonic DL 4x MEI-T02-001

Panasonic DL 2x MEI-T01-001







#5

DL as -R or -RE?


#6

BD-R DL.


#7

Sadly its a hit and miss with many BD-R DL media. :frowning:


#8

Hello,

Panasonic DL 4x MEI-T02-001 normally should do better with 4x on a Pioneer S08, perhaps they picked a bad batch for the nifty scans.

Panasonic DL 4x, SONY DL 4x and Taiyo Yuden DL 4x - at least in the 30 pcs spindle from Japan - meanwhile have the same mediacode MEI-T02-001 and are all made by Panasonic.

There are only slight differences in quality, which means: You can go for the cheapest.

Panasonic DL 2x MEI-T01-001 are the best DL media ever for a Pioneer 205 - as You can see in the scans.
You can also find them in SONY DL 2x, the quality is about the same.

I can´t tell, if the Pioneer S08 burns them with the same quality as the Pioneer 205, because I never tried - I´m absolutely satisfied with the results of the Pio 205, so why should I.:cool:

You can try BD-R DL 4x with TDK mediacode (TDK, Taiyo Yuden in 25 pcs spindle) or BD-R DL 6x with the Mediacode CMCMAG DI6, but it´s more a hit and miss than with Panasonic BD-R DL media.

I would avoid BD-R DL 6x media for quality reasons.:wink:


#9

Thanks for the kind reply, Katraine.

[QUOTE=katraine;2692562]
Panasonic DL 4x, SONY DL 4x and Taiyo Yuden DL 4x - at least in the 30 pcs spindle from Japan - meanwhile have the same mediacode MEI-T02-001 and are all made by Panasonic.

There are only slight differences in quality, which means: You can go for the cheapest.
[/QUOTE]
So you don’t think the genuine Panasonic DL 4x MEI-T02-001 would be significantly better than the “B-grade” OEMs?

Panasonic DL 2x MEI-T01-001 are the best DL media ever for a Pioneer 205 …

Perhaps you would be kind enough to upload some 4x quality scans?

I would avoid BD-R DL 6x media for quality reasons.

Thanks for the warning.


#10

I don’t think the genuine Panasonic DL 4x MEI-T02-001 would be significantly better than the Verbatim or Sony OEMs, a spindle of thirty Taiyo Yuden BD-R DL 4x with (hopefully!) Panasonic-MID ist still on the way from Japan to be tested, but i´m quite confident it´s the same quality.
Some say original Panasonics are always better, but, as said before, BD-R DL are, more or less, always a hit and miss.:wink:

The scan You uploaded from the Nifty forum is typical for a MEI-T01-001 burned with a Pioneer 205, you can find more here:

http://movie2digital.at/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=57300&pageNo=5

You don´t have to register to see the scans, I believe, but I think it´s worth it.:iagree:
It´s an Austrian/German forum, smaller than Club Myce, but we try to cover as many Blu-Ray burners as possible.

You can ask questions in English there and we will try to give the right answers.:wink:


#11

Thanks for the link, Katraine. Didn’t realise blu-ray scans are such popular pursuits in Austria.

The MEI-T01-001 and BDR-205 do indeed look like a formidable combination, but it would take some adjustment going back to 2x media after getting used to the burning those wonderful LM-BRS25LT50 at 10x.

Too bad Burnfreak did not test the MEI-T01-001 with a BDR-208. Was somewhat concerned with those brightly coloured scans produced by Odin on the 208s.

Burnfreak indicates his preference of the 207 over the 208, although his tests seem to suggest the 208 doing a better job with the JVC MEI-T02-001. Samurai is also of the opinion that upgrading from 206 to 208 may not be worthwhile.

Returning to the 206, Antenne was able to produce decent results with both the JVC MEI-T02-001 and That’s TDKBLDRBD_(000). What a lucky chap. But gg72 was not as successful with the Sony MEI-T01-001.

This upgrading exercise is getting a bit messy.


#12

The Pioneer 205 seems to have an optimized writing strategy for the slow BD-R50 2x MEI-T01-001.
You will not get the same good results with actual burners following the Pioneer 205.
Someone at movie2digital lately tried to burn a MEI-T01-001 DL with 2x on a LiteOn.

The result didn´t look better than an average DL 4x MEI-T02-001 burn.

I would stick to a Pioneer 207 or 208, the differences are only marginal and can be ascribed to serial variance of burners, scanners or blank disks.
There a so many factors having influence on an amateur disc quality scan.

The Pioneer 206 of Samurai is in fact an external Buffalo with a Pioneer drive inside, maybe he has caught an extremely good one.


#13

The 205s are difficult to come by these days. A quick search did not yield any meaningful results.

Samurai seems to be happy with the results of MEI-T02-001 on the Lite-On 112. Do you think a 312 will achieve similar results?


#14

The results of older LiteOns with CLxx/HLxx Firmware can be different to those of actual models with PLxx firmware.


#15

Very interesting.

Looking at some of the scans posted by Burnfreak, it would appear the older LiteOns with CLxx/HLxx Firmware can be more forging than the newer 112/312 with Plxx firmware.

Which is more accurate?


#16

The older LiteOns are the more reliable scanners, definitely.


#17

Thanks Katraine.

  1. Does the CLxx exhibit this problem reported by kth in this post?
  1. Can a Plxx be flashed to CLxx using the CL0K.bin posted by 2601 in this post? Does it make sense to do so?
  1. Can a Sony BD-5300s be flashed to CL0k using same method? Would this be a better option?

Thanks.


#18

Is there a tool to backup firmware and eeprom for this dirve?


#19

[U]Pioneer Drive Utility[/U]

Appreciate if anyone familiar with the utility can help.

  1. What’s the difference between the (E) and (M) option during the installation process?

  2. The status shows “Does not support Real Time Pure Read”, why?

  3. What’s should be the proper settings for obtaining optimal burn quality?

Many thanks and best regards.



#20

Have you changed the Mode and tried again?