BD-RE Discussion

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#1

Is anyone using BD-RE regularly for backup or the like? Does anyone know the estimated longevity of a BD-RE? Is it a suitable media for something that gets backed up every six month or every year?


#2

From previous experience with ReWritable media, i would strongly suggest that you dont use them to store anything important for a long period of time, RW & RE are good for testing or for a quick backup of non important data.
Plus RE media are stuck at 2x :frowning: and there for you will have enough time to burn a BD-R and also go out and get a hard drive.

I would avoid them, and use them only if i have no other option.


#3

I have a few that I use for testing now and again. I don’t use them for long term storage, though they should work for six month interval backups.

The ones I have are the original, Japanese made TDK discs, which they no longer make. FTI Falcon now make those same discs, but I think they only come in packs of 25 or more.

Adorama has the individual Panasonic BD-RE 25gb discs, but they are nearly $10 each.

2x burning [B]is[/B] painful however.


#4

[QUOTE=vroom;2699509]From previous experience with ReWritable media, i would strongly suggest that you dont use them to store anything important for a long period of time, RW & RE are good for testing or for a quick backup of non important data.
Plus RE media are stuck at 2x :frowning: and there for you will have enough time to burn a BD-R and also go out and get a hard drive.[/QUOTE]My data is backed up to several different Hard Drives on varying schedules. I was wondering about also backing it up to optical media as an additional method not on a HD. Obviously I can burn write once media. I wasn’t sure how re-writable media would compare. I focused in on BD-RE since they hold a lot more data than CD-RW or DVD+/-RW media.

[QUOTE=Kerry56;2699513]I have a few that I use for testing now and again. I don’t use them for long term storage, though they should work for six month interval backups.

The ones I have are the original, Japanese made TDK discs, which they no longer make. FTI Falcon now make those same discs, but I think they only come in packs of 25 or more.

Adorama has the individual Panasonic BD-RE 25gb discs, but they are nearly $10 each.

2x burning [B]is[/B] painful however.[/QUOTE]IMHO, 2x BD-R burning for movies isn’t that bad. I have a big pile (~100 discs) of MiJ Panasonic 2x BD-R media that I picked up fairly cheap (relatively speaking). I just start the burn and just let it go while I do something else. I suppose depending on the method used for a backup a 2x burn speed could be cumbersome though, especially if you’re having to swap in multiple discs.


#5

I bought some BD-RE discs a few years ago. That was about when I bought 6 LG BD writers at once. BD-RE writing took forever while I always had multiple SSD drives as well. I also often had more than 10GB of nearly unused RAM space that I could use as RAM disk/drive. Since those BD-RE discs were made by Mitsubishi and Matsushita in Japan, I was hesitant to spend much time with those discs.

Things look a bit different now. Kakaku.com displays several BD-RE 2x products at not-so-high cost. That’s is Taiyo Yuden’s own retail brand name marketed by Taiyo Yuden group’s Start Lab, Inc. in Japan founded long ago by Sony and Taiyo Yuden jointly. Start Lab distributes Taiyo Yuden’s optical storage media in Japan and export to a few countries. Some of TY’s That’s-branded products are not necessarily made in Japan. Made-in-Japan That’s media have “Made In Japan” (in Chinese) clearly written on the spindle/jewel case. Those not labelled as such are probably produced in overseas facilities that are probably not soley owned and controlled by Taiyo Yuden. But Made-in-Japan That’s DVD-R, DVD+R, BD-R, BD-RE, etc. are cheap enough considering the superior and even quality and reliability.

http://kakaku.com/search_results/BD-R+that's/?category=0001

Here’s BD-RE 2x for US$2.4 and they look like 50GB ones from what I see. So that makes US$24 for 500GB, US$48 for 1TB, which is about as expensive as 2.5-inch HDD.

The person from whom I bought the BD-RE discs bought them in Japan. Price then was more like US$20.


#6

I have a few questions, and this seemed like the thread to ask. I’ve always used DVD-rw for burn testing and was planning on doing the same with BDs.

Does anyone have an actual time on how long a BD RE takes to burn (25 and/or 50)? “A long time” is relative.

If you have a BD RE 50, is there any reason it can’t be used to properly burn test and BD25? If there’s no difference it makes more sense to get the larger since it would be more flexible.

Finally… where do you get them? Supermediastore (my go to for other blanks) doesn’t carry them. Amazon only has 3rd party vendors and I see comments regarding fakes, coasters with no customer service, stores pumping their rating with fake reviews, etc. Amazon doesn’t even seem to sell/ship any themselves.


#7

[QUOTE=DoctorM;2719568]
Does anyone have an actual time on how long a BD RE takes to burn (25 and/or 50)? “A long time” is relative.[/QUOTE]

90 minutes for DL*, half as long (45 minutes) for single layer**, since max write speed is 2x for all known BD-RE.

*: examples: http://club.myce.com/f179/tdk-bd-re-dl-333322/ & http://club.myce.com/f179/matsushita-electric-mei-bd-re-dl-273602/

**: examples: http://club.myce.com/f179/philips-bd-re-321948/ & http://club.myce.com/f179/matsushita-electric-mei-bd-re-321529/ & http://club.myce.com/f179/cmc-magnetics-bd-re-322734/ & http://club.myce.com/f179/mitsubishi-kagaku-media-verbatim-bd-re-322160/


#8

Rima.com has BD-RE DL media: http://www.rima.com/CTGY/BDRE.html

As does MediaMegaMall: http://www.mediamegamall.com/blank-media-bluray-blank-media-c-29_139.html?filter=Type~BD-RE%20Rewritable


#9

45 minutes isn’t awful. I’ve been waiting that long now for DVD9 burning, but 90m is pretty crazy.

Are Rima and MediaMegaMall considered reliable? The don’t seem to be cheap.

Can anyone answer my last question:

If you have a BD RE 50, is there any reason it can’t be used to properly burn test and BD25? If there’s no difference it makes more sense to get the larger since it would be more flexible.

Also, is Verbatim still the only way to go, even for BD-RE?


#10

[QUOTE=DoctorM;2719568]If you have a BD RE 50, is there any reason it can’t be used to properly burn test and BD25? If there’s no difference it makes more sense to get the larger since it would be more flexible.[/QUOTE]
None that I can think of. The burner would just use the first layer only of the BD RE 50 to do a burn test of an image or compilation ultimately intended for a BD-25.


#11

Rima.com is a top tier media company, and have been noted as a place to shop for optical discs for a decade and more. As you noted, not always the best price, especially when taking shipping costs into consideration.

MediaMegaMall isn’t my favorite shop. They were kicked out of these forums for spam a long time ago. However, they are one of the few places in the US that carry Falcon/FTI media, which is very good. They like to sell in large batches however, and put an extra handling charge on any orders under a certain amount…but I’ve forgotten offhand what that was. $50 or $75? In any case I have ordered from them in the past for their Falcon BD-R discs under the Smartblu brand. The discs have been excellent quality and my order arrived with no issues.

I use a small stock of 25gb BD-RE discs made in Japan and sold under the TDK brand, but those are no longer available. If buying a 50gb disc, I’d probably look around for one (or a small pack) made by Panasonic or pay extra shipping for FTI/Falcon discs from MediaMegaMall.

This seems like a decent deal at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/PANASONIC-Blu-ray-Disc-Pack-Rewritable/dp/B005QI4VHE/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1392687711&sr=1-1&keywords=panasonic+50gb+bd-re


#12

First I’m concerned about quality (brand wise) the other is most BD-RE on Amazon are sold by third party vendors and reviews have suggested either poor customer service or out right counterfeit discs being shipped.

Tossing in a follow up question. If burning a BD25 worth of data to a BD50-RE is fine, I would hope it still doesn’t take 90 minutes to burn. Does it?


#13

[QUOTE=DoctorM;2719716]
Tossing in a follow up question. If burning a BD25 worth of data to a BD50-RE is fine, I would hope it still doesn’t take 90 minutes to burn. Does it?[/QUOTE]
No, since you’ll only be burning a single layer of the disc (at 2x throughout), it will take about 45 minutes as previously indicated for a BD RE 25.


#14

Verbatim MABL (Mitsubishi) imo are the way to go, i have burnt over 400 DL discs & only 2 have failed.
I buy these here Smart Imports


#15

To be clear for the people making BD50 recommendations, the discussion here is specific to rewritable, not standard BD50s.


#16

I wanted to follow up and let you all know that Amazon is now showing a single Verbatim BD50-RE shipped and sold by Amazon for $15.43 and a 5 pack for $25.96.

The 5 pack is only fulfilled by Amazon, but that at least means free shipping and Amazon customer support of there are problems (as some report with counterfeits.)


#17

I wanted to follow up with my experience with those Verbatim RE’s I mention above. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004JKHRK8

On a WinXP system, ImgBurn insisted the discs needed a full erase instead of a quick erase. I experienced burner lock ups, “no additional sense information”, and various other problems.

Loaded a really old install of Nero 8, did a quick erase and in 30 seconds the discs were ready to use. ImgBurn then recognized them just fine.

I have no idea if ImgBurn was confused, WinXP, or the discs were pre-formatted to something strange, but my first full burn (with ImgBurn) was 1:25 and about 35 more minutes to verify.

So far, I’d recommend these, but be careful of possible weirdness.


#18

I want to make one more comment. My new drive is a Pioneer 209dbk. I just burned a DL RE disc and inexplicably had a max write speed of 2.4x (avg 2.0x).

Perhaps it is CLV, but… cool(?)