Bad Potential Sector Found at

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#1

Am using latest version of DVDFab Platinum.

Could someone please explain what it means to have bad potential sectors found and removed and what impact this has on the cloned DVD.

I saw this on two lines in the Info section the other day prior to cloning my copy of Casino Royale.

The cloned copy played through fine on my DVD player except for three split-seconds of pixelation which were not present on the original DVD. To be sure, I did the cloning a 2nd time and the pixelations occured in the exact same places.

Can someone enlighten me on this since I am newbie at burning DVDs.

Thank you.


#2

Hi captainvideo and welcome to cdfreaks,

The “bad potential sectors” refer to a form of copy protection. These bad sectors need to be removed as they essentially are “intentional” read errors. Ultimately, this should render a decent bkup without any playback issues. The removal should not cause pixelation.

Could you please post a few burn logs?

The default location is:
[B]C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator Name\My Documents\DVDFab\Log[/B]


#3

Without seeing a burn log I am leaning towards it’s happening at the layer break, two things come to mind here and they are burning speed to fast and media used


#4

[QUOTE=Jimbo;2101512]Without seeing a burn log I am leaning towards it’s happening at the layer break, two things come to mind here and they are burning speed to fast and media used[/QUOTE]

No it was not at the layer break and it is not the Verbatim media.

I have cloned over a dozen of my dual layer DVDs using verbatim without any problems whatsoever. This is the first one where I noticed any pixelation. And remember I cloned it twice and both DVD+RW DLs had the pixelation at the exact same places.

I’ll check the burn log later when I get home.


#5

As per two responders request, this is copied from the burn log entry created when cloning my Casino Royale DVD. There is nothing here about bad potential sectors found and removed. Like I mentioned, all my other clones were glitch-free. Only this one (and the subsequent retry) had three split-seconds of pixelation which did not appear in the source. Note that I subsequently upgraded to 5.0.7.2.

7/27/2008 11:14:48 AM info ******************** Report session closed *********************
7/27/2008 11:14:26 AM info Finalization Time 00:01:05 - Total completion time 00:26:49
7/27/2008 11:14:26 AM info WRITE SUCCESS
7/27/2008 11:13:20 AM info Write finished in 00:25:43 - Finalization start here. Avg. burn rate 4.39
7/27/2008 10:47:38 AM info Lead-in burning time (mS) 1
7/27/2008 10:47:36 AM info Write started 4169648 sectors to write
7/27/2008 10:47:36 AM info Layer change set to LBA 2084960 (3.98 Gb.)
7/27/2008 10:47:01 AM info Writing speed requested x4.0, effective x4.0
7/27/2008 10:47:01 AM info Layer break set by user at sector 2084960
7/27/2008 10:47:01 AM info Available write speed: 4x, 2.4x
7/27/2008 10:47:01 AM info Media ID: MKM-001-00
7/27/2008 10:47:01 AM info Media type: Dual Layer DVD+R
7/27/2008 10:46:58 AM info Write started
7/27/2008 10:46:57 AM info New media inserted. Burning layer is ready to write
7/27/2008 10:21:22 AM info Compatible media types : DVD-R, DVD-RW Seq., DVD-RW RO, DVDRAM, DVD+R, DVD+RW, CD-R, CD-RW, DL DVD+R, DL DVD-R
7/27/2008 10:21:22 AM info New Drive selected : 16:1:0 - HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-E40L SE02 [E] (Usb)
7/27/2008 10:19:07 AM info Current Drive selected : 16:1:0 - HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-E40L SE02 [E] (Usb)
7/27/2008 10:19:07 AM info Using Patin-Couffin driver Version 1.37, Internal revision 37 - Async. Access mode
7/27/2008 10:19:07 AM info User default language : 1033 (0x0409h) - English (United States)
7/27/2008 10:19:07 AM info System default language : 1033 (0x0409h) - English (United States)
7/27/2008 10:19:07 AM info DLL Version 2.1.7.338
7/27/2008 10:19:07 AM info DLL C:\Program Files\DVDFab 5\vso_hwe.dll
7/27/2008 10:19:07 AM info Version 5, 0, 6, 0
7/27/2008 10:19:07 AM info ExeName : "C:\Program Files\DVDFab 5\DVDFab.exe"
7/27/2008 10:19:07 AM info OS : Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
7/27/2008 10:19:07 AM info ******************** Report session started ********************

If anyone has any ideas, I would welcome them here.

Thanks,

Captainvideo


#6

do the rips play good from hard drive? have you tried with pathplayer disabled? have you tried with pathplayer enabled? have you tried with dvdfab 5076? have you tried using ImgBurn? have you tried writing at 2.4x? does the original have scratches? [i know you said it played good] can you post an info screen with pathplayer enabled? have you looked at your media very close to see if there maybe small defect?

have you spun around three times while patting your head and rubbing your belly at the same time. :stuck_out_tongue: Just kidding. :smiley:


#7

I agree with Troy’s suggestion to try ImgBurn. :iagree: Also, you are burning this media at its maximum rated speed, seldom a good idea. The structure protection information is on the Info page in Common Settings that Troy requested that you post. That would be a help.


#8

[QUOTE=signals;2101813]I agree with Troy’s suggestion to try ImgBurn. :iagree: Also, you are burning this media at its maximum rated speed, seldom a good idea. The structure protection information is on the Info page in Common Settings that Troy requested that you post. That would be a help.[/QUOTE]

I do not understand too much about pathplayer. I have had it enabled as per DVDFabs recommendation and, until Casino Royale, did not have any problems at all since I started with this software three weeks ago. I am certainly not going to try anything new since all my other DVD burns have been perfect.

As far as burning speed is concerned, the default is “recommended” and I have not touched this. What does “recommended” mean? Should I change this to 2.4 for dual layer? The verbatim DVD+RW DL I am using says 2.4 but up to 6.0 times. So all this is confusing.

How can I get the information off of the Info Page in order to post it here?

Thanks for all your help from a newbie.


#9

Hi Captain
"Recommended" means “too fast” in most cases. It means that the burn speed will be set at the maximum that your drive and the media will both support. I never use it and wish it was not an option, it causes lots of problems for many users. The blanks you are using are the best quality and so might tolerate it, but I would still try one at 2.4x. You can get the Info text into a post two ways: the fastest is to just click and drag to highlight all the text and then right click->Copy, then paste into a post; you can slao click on the “Save IFO” button, which will create a file named info.txt that can be attached to a post using the manage attachments button. It is also still worth trying a burn with ImgBurn, but again set the burn speed at 2.4x. Troy’s post had other questions, the answers to which would help shed light on the problem you are having.


#10

[QUOTE=signals;2101944]Hi Captain
"Recommended" means “too fast” in most cases. It means that the burn speed will be set at the maximum that your drive and the media will both support. I never use it and wish it was not an option, it causes lots of problems for many users. The blanks you are using are the best quality and so might tolerate it, but I would still try one at 2.4x. You can get the Info text into a post two ways: the fastest is to just click and drag to highlight all the text and then right click->Copy, then paste into a post; you can slao click on the “Save IFO” button, which will create a file named info.txt that can be attached to a post using the manage attachments button. It is also still worth trying a burn with ImgBurn, but again set the burn speed at 2.4x. Troy’s post had other questions, the answers to which would help shed light on the problem you are having.[/QUOTE]

[I]I really do not think I am having a problem[/I]. Of the dozen or so DVDs I burned so far (DL and SL), all were [B]perfect[/B] except for Casino Royale. The only problem was three split-second moments where there was pixelation. The rest of the 2:24 minute movie played through without any problem whatsoever. I could not even tell where the layer switch was.

However, thanks for enlightening me on the write speed. I will change it to 2.4 for DL and when doing SL I will check the media and set the write speed accordingly.

There is no need for me to try ImgBurn when DVDFab Platinum VSO has been working for me. Especially since I usually use CLONE.

By the way, Right now I am using 5.0.7.2. Should I download 5.0.7.6 or wait?

Thanks in advance for all your help.


#11

It could be that everything is OK, but I have Casino Royale and backed it up with one of the v4 incarnations of DVDFab without any problems. My advice would always be to update, but keep the installer for at least the past several versions handy just in case. :slight_smile: Rule of thumb: burn at: half the rated speed of the blank media or your drive for that media type, whichever is slower.


#12

[QUOTE=signals;2101979]It could be that everything is OK, but I have Casino Royale and backed it up with one of the v4 incarnations of DVDFab without any problems. My advice would always be to update, but keep the installer for at least the past several versions handy just in case. :slight_smile: Rule of thumb: burn at: half the rated speed of the blank media or your drive for that media type, whichever is slower.[/QUOTE]

Agree with my good friend signals…:iagree:
I also created a bkup of this flick with Fab 4.xxx and did not encounter any problems
I update consistently, and I believe most of us do, both to stay current with the newer copy protections and to update/debug the ever-increasing features of this oustanding program.

Did you have a chance to view the files from the hdd as Troy suggested?..were the pixelations present? The answer will help to isolate the cause.

Additional stuff to try:
> Use a different ODD to rip the movie…frequently, there is wide variability in read function from one drive to another.
> Try another ripper
> Try another burn engine…recommend Img as previously suggested
> Clean the Casino disc with isopropyl alcohol and a microfiber cloth, despite the fact that it looks ok and plays ok.
Wipe inside - out, like spokes on a wheel, not in a circular motion.

I once had a bkup disc that pixelated in a similar fashion.
The original Sea Biscuit played without any problems in 3 dvd players. When played in a 4th…there was that same pixelation on the original.
I exchanged it and Eureeka…no pixelation on the original (in the 4th player) or on the bkup.

Hope this helps and good luck


#13

[QUOTE=signals;2101979]It could be that everything is OK, but I have Casino Royale and backed it up with one of the v4 incarnations of DVDFab without any problems. My advice would always be to update, but keep the installer for at least the past several versions handy just in case. :slight_smile: Rule of thumb: burn at: half the rated speed of the blank media or your drive for that media type, whichever is slower.[/QUOTE]

Doesn’t the fact that I performed the CLONE of Casino Royale [I]twice[/I] and both copies exhibited those three split-seconds of pixelation in the [I]exact same spot[/I] indicate that there might be some problem with my source?

The only reason I posted here about it was because I thought this might have had something to do with the [I]bad potential sectors found[/I].

Anyway, the verbatim DVD+R DL indicates 2.4 so that is what I’ll set the write speed to.

I use Panasonic DVD-R for SL. It says 8 X. I guess I should set the write speed to 8 times for SL. The five or so SL clones I have done so far all played perfectly.


#14

[QUOTE=maineman;2102000]I once had a bkup disc that pixelated in a similar fashion.
The original Sea Biscuit played without any problems in 3 dvd players. When played in a 4th…there was that same pixelation on the original.
I exchanged it and Eureeka…no pixelation on the original (in the 4th player) or on the bkup.

Hope this helps and good luck[/QUOTE]

The more I think about it and after reading about your similar problem with Sea Biscuit, I am pretty much convinced that the fault lies with my Casino Royale DVD. I have two DVD players and only played my original in one of them. I never tried it in the other one (which is also a DVD recorder) but will do so tonight. I read online that some people had problems playing this DVD on their players when it first came out last year (although I didn’t).

I could follow your suggestions about cleaning it. But I do not wish to waste another DVD+RW DL and [I]I can live with the three slight pixelations[/I]. They did not occur in spots I would call crucial to my enjoyment of the movie.

Edit: I could clean my Casino Royale like you suggested and then use “Full Copy” to burn this to a SL DVD+RW (compressed). That way I can see if the problem is still there but would not be wasting a blank DVD.


#15

[QUOTE=captainvideo;2102005]Doesn’t the fact that I performed the CLONE of Casino Royale [I]twice[/I] and both copies exhibited those three split-seconds of pixelation in the [I]exact same spot[/I] indicate that there might be some problem with my source?

The only reason I posted here about it was because I thought this might have had something to do with the [I]bad potential sectors found[/I].

Anyway, the verbatim DVD+R DL indicates 2.4 so that is what I’ll set the write speed to.

I use Panasonic DVD-R for SL. It says 8 X. I guess I should set the write speed to 8 times for SL. The five or so SL clones I have done so far all played perfectly.[/QUOTE]

Hi captainvideo
To check your source/disc use nero cd speed and scan the disc for errors this will rule it as the problem or not, if it is an issue on both backup copys and at the same spot my guess would you are correct.


#16

[QUOTE=captainvideo;2102005]Doesn’t the fact that I performed the CLONE of Casino Royale [I]twice[/I] and both copies exhibited those three split-seconds of pixelation in the [I]exact same spot[/I] indicate that there might be some problem with my source? [/QUOTE]

There is nothing wrong with my source DVD of Casino Royale. Out of curiosity, I tried a free trial download of a different decrypting/burning software and it made a perfect clone of Casino Royale without those three pixelations. I subsequently made perfect clones of two more of my DVDs (one DL and one SL) using this software.

So, unfortunately, I now have reservations about using DVDFab. Too bad, this type of problem did not happen during my DVDFab trial period. I’ll probably purchase this new software at the end of the trial period.


#17

I have done a backup of all James Bond movies including Casino Royale with DVDFab and they play great on all 3standalone dvd player and both my computers Vista and XP Pro so as far as can say it is not a problem with DVDFab :smiley:
also the backups I have was made on both rigs


#18

[QUOTE=captainvideo;2103740]…I tried a free trial download of a different decrypting/burning software and it made a perfect clone of Casino Royale without those three pixelations… [/QUOTE]
While this is an extremely infrequent occurrence with Fab, it is not a surprise. As I suggested previously, this problem may have been resolved with a different decrypter, a different ODD for ripping or perhaps a different burn engine…we never did receive feedback re: the integrity of the files when played back from the hdd.
As SJ stated above, I also had no problem with this movie, R1, WS, done both in clone mode and customize mode (essentially stripped down to main movie only).

Honestly, I’m having trouble recalling the last time platinum has failed to rip a movie for me. I believe it was a bit more than two years ago during the early development of Fab 3 while I was beta testing prior to it being released to the public. In any event, Fab failed. Interestingly, Fab’s lead competitor (which I also own and is likely the new software to which you refer) also failed, as did shrink. Ultimately, I was successful with good old, defunct dvddecrypter.

If you take nothing else from this experience, realize that no one decrypting software works perfectly everytime on every disc. It’s best to keep a number of tools in the toolbox…:wink:

In any case, best of luck to you.


#19

no problem here, even used crappy maxell dvd+r 16x cmc mag media.

DVDInfoPro HD Media Information                            
Disc Regions are                                          1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
CSS Protected                                                          No
Media code/Manufacturer ID                                    CMC MAG M01
Media code/Manufacturer ID                                    CMC MAG M01
UDF Format Type                                                     V1.02
UDF Volume                                                  Casino Royale
UDF Application id                                                       
UDF Implementation id                                        VSO Software
UDF Recording Date/Time (mm/dd/yyyy)                  03/23/2007 16:00:49
Format Capacity                                            4.21GB(4.52GB)
Info for drive [G:\] (DVDFab Platinum 5.0.7.6)

Disc type: Video DVD
Disc region: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
Volume name: CASINO ROYALE
Video standard: NTSC

CSS (Content Scramble System) protection is not found.
RC (Region Code) protection is not found.
RCE (Region Code Enhancement) protection is not found.
APS (Analog Protection System) protection is not found.
UOPs (User Operation Prohobitions) protection is not found.

Invalid PTTs protection is not found.
Invalid PGCIs protection is not found.
Invalid PGCs protection is not found.
Invalid TMAPs protection is not found.
Invalid CELLs protection is not found.
Invalid VOBUs protection is not found.
Fake vts protection is not found!
Bad sector protection is not found!
Structure protection (ARccOS, RipGuard, etc.) is not found.

PathPlayer is enabled!
Unplayable cell is not found.

#20

[QUOTE=maineman;2103866]While this is an extremely infrequent occurrence with Fab, it is not a surprise. As I suggested previously, this problem may have been resolved with a different decrypter, a different ODD for ripping or perhaps a different burn engine…we never did receive feedback re: the integrity of the files when played back from the hdd.
As SJ stated above, I also had no problem with this movie, R1, WS, done both in clone mode and customize mode (essentially stripped down to main movie only).

Honestly, I’m having trouble recalling the last time platinum has failed to rip a movie for me. I believe it was a bit more than two years ago during the early development of Fab 3 while I was beta testing prior to it being released to the public. In any event, Fab failed. Interestingly, Fab’s lead competitor (which I also own and is likely the new software to which you refer) also failed, as did shrink. Ultimately, I was successful with good old, defunct dvddecrypter.

If you take nothing else from this experience, realize that no one decrypting software works perfectly everytime on every disc. It’s best to keep a number of tools in the toolbox…:wink:

In any case, best of luck to you.[/QUOTE]

Maineman:

Thanks for your input.

It is not that DVDFab failed to rip Casino Royale. It is just that there were three slight momentary glitches which did not appear in the source. And doing this twice confirmed that it was not my blank media.

Since I am a newbie at this, I was unable to understand how to provide the feedback that some posters mentioned here. Sorry. I am just not that sophisticated yet.

Anyway, I do not plan on removing DVDFab from my computer but am certainly leaning towards purchasing the newly downloaded decrypting software which DID clone Casino Royale 100% perfectly. But I will definitely wait until the trial period is over so I can do a lot more testing.