Backup Speed

You should not have your burner on the same cable as the HD

OK, I will move the burner and let you know. Thanks

Hi Everyone,

Ok, I took the burner off the HD cable, and ran a backup. The time was 1:22. Here is the log:

8/22/2008 7:22:22 AM info ******************** Report session closed *********************
8/22/2008 12:32:17 AM info WRITE SUCCESS: Disc written
8/22/2008 12:32:17 AM info Finalization Time 00:00:34 - Total completion time 00:29:25
8/22/2008 12:31:42 AM info Write finished in 00:28:50 - Finalization start here. Avg. burn rate 2.15
8/22/2008 12:02:51 AM info Lead-in burning time (mS) 0
8/22/2008 12:02:51 AM info Write started 2290384 sectors to write
8/22/2008 12:02:51 AM info Writing speed requested x16.0, effective x16.0
8/22/2008 12:02:48 AM info Available write speed: 16x, 12x, 8x, 6x, 4x
8/22/2008 12:02:48 AM info Media ID: MCC-004-00
8/22/2008 12:02:48 AM info Media type: DVD+R
8/22/2008 12:02:45 AM info Scanned files #25, folder #2 - total size 4689569792 b. (4.37 Gb.)
8/22/2008 12:02:45 AM info Inserted media type : DVD+R
8/22/2008 12:02:45 AM info Write started
8/21/2008 11:09:40 PM info New media (DVD+R) inserted. Burning layer is ready to write
8/21/2008 11:09:39 PM info Compatible media types : DVD-R, DVD-RW Seq., DVD-RW RO, DVD+R, DVD+RW, CD-R, CD-RW, DL DVD+R, DL DVD-R
8/21/2008 11:09:39 PM info Drive has IDE-ATAPI physical interface
8/21/2008 11:09:39 PM info New Drive selected : 3:3:0 - PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-110D 1.37 [E] (Ata)
8/21/2008 11:06:48 PM info Current Drive selected : 1:0:0 - PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-106D 1.08 [G] (Ide)
8/21/2008 11:06:48 PM info Using Patin-Couffin driver Version 1.37, Internal revision 37 - Async. Access mode
8/21/2008 11:06:48 PM info User default language : 1033 (0x0409h) - English (United States)
8/21/2008 11:06:48 PM info System default language : 1033 (0x0409h) - English (United States)
8/21/2008 11:06:48 PM info DLL Version 5, 0, 7, 6
8/21/2008 11:06:48 PM info DLL C:\Program Files\DVDFab 5\DVDFab.exe
8/21/2008 11:06:48 PM info Version 5, 0, 7, 6
8/21/2008 11:06:47 PM info ExeName : "C:\Program Files\DVDFab 5\DVDFab.exe"
8/21/2008 11:06:47 PM info OS : Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
8/21/2008 11:06:47 PM info ******************** Report session started ********************

8/22/2008 12:32:17 AM info WRITE SUCCESS: Disc written
8/22/2008 12:32:17 AM info Finalization Time 00:00:34 - Total completion time 00:29:25
8/22/2008 12:31:42 AM info Write finished in 00:28:50 - Finalization start here. Avg. burn rate 2.15
8/22/2008 12:02:51 AM info Lead-in burning time (mS) 0
8/22/2008 12:02:51 AM info Write started 2290384 sectors to write
8/22/2008 12:02:51 AM info Writing speed requested x16.0, effective x16.0
8/22/2008 12:02:48 AM info Available write speed: 16x, 12x, 8x, 6x, 4x
8/22/2008 12:02:48 AM info Media ID: MCC-004-00
8/22/2008 12:02:48 AM info Media type: DVD+R
8/22/2008 12:02:45 AM info Scanned files #25, folder #2 - total size 4689569792 b. (4.37 Gb.)
8/22/2008 12:02:45 AM info Inserted media type : DVD+R
8/22/2008 12:02:45 AM info Write started
8/21/2008 11:09:40 PM info New media (DVD+R) inserted. Burning layer is ready to write
8/21/2008 11:09:39 PM info Compatible media types : DVD-R, DVD-RW Seq., DVD-RW RO, DVD+R, DVD+RW, CD-R, CD-RW, DL DVD+R, DL DVD-R
8/21/2008 11:09:39 PM info Drive has IDE-ATAPI physical interface
8/21/2008 11:09:39 PM info New Drive selected : 3:3:0 - PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-110D 1.37 [E] (Ata)
8/21/2008 11:06:48 PM info Current Drive selected : 1:0:0 - PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-106D 1.08 [G] (Ide)
8/21/2008 11:06:48 PM info Using Patin-Couffin driver Version 1.37, Internal revision 37 - Async. Access mode
8/21/2008 11:06:48 PM info User default language : 1033 (0x0409h) - English (United States)
8/21/2008 11:06:48 PM info System default language : 1033 (0x0409h) - English (United States)
8/21/2008 11:06:48 PM info DLL Version 5, 0, 7, 6
8/21/2008 11:06:48 PM info DLL C:\Program Files\DVDFab 5\DVDFab.exe
8/21/2008 11:06:48 PM info Version 5, 0, 7, 6
8/21/2008 11:06:47 PM info ExeName : "C:\Program Files\DVDFab 5\DVDFab.exe"
8/21/2008 11:06:47 PM info OS : Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
8/21/2008 11:06:47 PM info ******************** Report session started ********************

8/21/2008 10:44:06 PM info ******************** Report session closed *********************
8/21/2008 10:43:37 PM info Current Drive selected : 1:0:0 - PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-106D 1.08 [G] (Ide)
8/21/2008 10:43:37 PM info Using Patin-Couffin driver Version 1.37, Internal revision 37 - Async. Access mode
8/21/2008 10:43:37 PM info User default language : 1033 (0x0409h) - English (United States)
8/21/2008 10:43:37 PM info System default language : 1033 (0x0409h) - English (United States)
8/21/2008 10:43:37 PM info DLL Version 5, 0, 7, 6
8/21/2008 10:43:37 PM info DLL C:\Program Files\DVDFab 5\DVDFab.exe
8/21/2008 10:43:37 PM info Version 5, 0, 7, 6
8/21/2008 10:43:37 PM info ExeName : "C:\Program Files\DVDFab 5\DVDFab.exe"
8/21/2008 10:43:37 PM info OS : Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
8/21/2008 10:43:37 PM info ******************** Report session started ********************

The read is slow. I am going to pick up new cables today and see if that helps. Does anyone see anything in the log? Thanks.

I really think your problem is bottlenecks due to the configuration of your PC.The actual burn rate shown in your logs is only 2X! You have good equipment that is being strangled by bus contention. For dealing with video files a clear path is required if you want performance. The temp file, which is critical with DVDFab, must navigate your PCI bus twice as I read this thread: once being written and once being read and sent to the burner. It is producing exactly the results I would expect. My laptop will process a movie the size of the one in your last log in about 18 minutes, including burning. It is configured with the temp file on the internal (4500 rpm!) hard drive, the read drive on a different IDE controller and the burner on USB. Don’t shoot the messenger.

[QUOTE=signals;2114559]I really think your problem is bottlenecks due to the configuration of your PC.The actual burn rate shown in your logs is only 2X! You have good equipment that is being strangled by bus contention. For dealing with video files a clear path is required if you want performance. The temp file, which is critical with DVDFab, must navigate your PCI bus twice as I read this thread: once being written and once being read and sent to the burner. It is producing exactly the results I would expect. My laptop will process a movie the size of the one in your last log in about 18 minutes, including burning. It is configured with the temp file on the internal (4500 rpm!) hard drive, the read drive on a different IDE controller and the burner on USB. Don’t shoot the messenger.[/QUOTE]

Agree, nice explanation…:iagree:

Hi Signals, thanks for the explanation. Are you saying that the read and write drives should be on the same controller, and the temp file should be on the main HD? Thanks.

The key thing with DVDFab seems to be that the read drive and the temp file not be on the same controller (and not use the PCI bus), that at least is my experience. Also better for the burner to be elsewhere, but not as critical. I never burn anything faster than 8X, so a USB burner works fine. I also have a USB hard drive, but never burn with it as a Source to avoid bottlenecks. Let us know how this works out. There is no reason your mobo and other hardware should be able to equal the performance I get with this T60 laptop and 4500 rpm hard drive.

OK, so if I am reading this right, if I leave the hard drive on IDE1 and put the temp file there, and either put the 2 dvd drives on either IDE2, or on the IDE card, this should improve the performance?

I believe it will. Put the read drive on IDE2; the burner clearly does not like the IDE card (the 2X speed); you might try putting it on the 2nd channel of IDE2 instead (there will be no bottleneck because the read drive will be loafing during the burn).

Thanks signals, ill try it and let you know.

Good Morning,

Ok, I purchased new 80 wire cables, I have my C: Drive and a Zip Drive on IDE1, the DVD Fab Temp file is on the C: Drive, the dvd drives are on IDE 2. I ran a backup, and the time was down to 52 minutes. Ran it again, and it went up to 2:12??? I see the write time is down to approximately 6 minutes, why is the read so long? The log is below. I see that there is a new log name. Instead of dvdfab_burn_vso.log, the log after the change is named dvdfab_burn_vso_crash.log. Should I be concerned?

8/24/2008 6:16:52 AM info WRITE SUCCESS: Disc written
8/24/2008 6:16:52 AM info Finalization Time 00:00:35 - Total completion time 00:06:24
8/24/2008 6:16:16 AM info Write finished in 00:05:48 - Finalization start here. Avg. burn rate 10.62
8/24/2008 6:10:28 AM info Lead-in burning time (mS) 0
8/24/2008 6:10:28 AM info Write started 2276912 sectors to write
8/24/2008 6:10:28 AM info Writing speed requested x16.0, effective x16.0
8/24/2008 6:10:24 AM info Available write speed: 16x, 12x, 8x, 6x, 4x
8/24/2008 6:10:24 AM info Media ID: MCC-004-00
8/24/2008 6:10:24 AM info Media type: DVD+R
8/24/2008 6:10:24 AM info Ultra DMA mode 4 (ATA66)
8/24/2008 6:10:22 AM info Scanned files #25, folder #2 - total size 4661985280 b. (4.34 Gb.)
8/24/2008 6:10:22 AM info Inserted media type : DVD+R
8/24/2008 6:10:22 AM info Write started
8/24/2008 3:58:34 AM info New media (DVD+R) inserted. Burning layer is ready to write
8/24/2008 1:21:22 AM info WRITE SUCCESS: Disc written
8/24/2008 1:21:22 AM info Finalization Time 00:00:34 - Total completion time 00:06:24
8/24/2008 1:20:47 AM info Write finished in 00:05:49 - Finalization start here. Avg. burn rate 10.65
8/24/2008 1:14:58 AM info Lead-in burning time (mS) 0
8/24/2008 1:14:57 AM info Write started 2290224 sectors to write
8/24/2008 1:14:57 AM info Writing speed requested x16.0, effective x16.0
8/24/2008 1:14:54 AM info Available write speed: 16x, 12x, 8x, 6x, 4x
8/24/2008 1:14:54 AM info Media ID: MCC-004-00
8/24/2008 1:14:54 AM info Media type: DVD+R
8/24/2008 1:14:54 AM info Ultra DMA mode 4 (ATA66)
8/24/2008 1:14:52 AM info Scanned files #21, folder #2 - total size 4689252352 b. (4.37 Gb.)
8/24/2008 1:14:52 AM info Inserted media type : DVD+R
8/24/2008 1:14:52 AM info Write started
8/24/2008 12:27:21 AM info New media (DVD+R) inserted. Burning layer is ready to write
8/24/2008 12:14:44 AM info WRITE SUCCESS: Disc written
8/24/2008 12:14:44 AM info Finalization Time 00:00:34 - Total completion time 00:06:30
8/24/2008 12:14:09 AM info Write finished in 00:05:55 - Finalization start here. Avg. burn rate 10.46
8/24/2008 12:08:14 AM info Lead-in burning time (mS) 0
8/24/2008 12:08:14 AM info Write started 2290256 sectors to write
8/24/2008 12:08:14 AM info Writing speed requested x16.0, effective x16.0
8/24/2008 12:08:10 AM info Available write speed: 16x, 12x, 8x, 6x, 4x
8/24/2008 12:08:10 AM info Media ID: MCC-004-00
8/24/2008 12:08:10 AM info Media type: DVD+R
8/24/2008 12:08:10 AM info Ultra DMA mode 4 (ATA66)
8/24/2008 12:08:08 AM info Scanned files #22, folder #2 - total size 4689311744 b. (4.37 Gb.)
8/24/2008 12:08:08 AM info Inserted media type : DVD+R
8/24/2008 12:08:08 AM info Write started
8/23/2008 11:20:14 PM info New media (DVD+R) inserted. Burning layer is ready to write
8/23/2008 11:20:13 PM info Compatible media types : DVD-R, DVD-RW Seq., DVD-RW RO, DVD+R, DVD+RW, CD-R, CD-RW, DL DVD+R, DL DVD-R
8/23/2008 11:20:13 PM info Drive has IDE-ATAPI physical interface
8/23/2008 11:20:13 PM info New Drive selected : 1:1:0 - PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-110D 1.37 [H] (Ide)
8/23/2008 11:19:26 PM info Current Drive selected : 1:0:0 - PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-106D 1.08 [G] (Ide)
8/23/2008 11:19:26 PM info Using Patin-Couffin driver Version 1.37, Internal revision 37 - Async. Access mode
8/23/2008 11:19:26 PM info User default language : 1033 (0x0409h) - English (United States)
8/23/2008 11:19:26 PM info System default language : 1033 (0x0409h) - English (United States)
8/23/2008 11:19:26 PM info DLL Version 5, 0, 7, 6
8/23/2008 11:19:26 PM info DLL C:\Program Files\DVDFab 5\DVDFab.exe
8/23/2008 11:19:26 PM info Version 5, 0, 7, 6
8/23/2008 11:19:26 PM info ExeName : "C:\Program Files\DVDFab 5\DVDFab.exe"
8/23/2008 11:19:26 PM info OS : Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
8/23/2008 11:19:26 PM info ******************** Report session started ********************

Thanks again for your help.

Looks like some progress at least. If you ran the same disc for the second backup, it sounds like one of the drives (either the reading optical drive or the HDD) is in PIO transfer mode. See what windows reports for both. Try temporarily unplugging or disabling the Zip drive, rebooting and see if it speeds up any. The best way to test this is with an original disc that is a single layer, usually a fairly short movie without many extras. If DVDFab is having to compress the content (Quality readout <100%) it introduces possible new bottlenecks and complications in the troubleshooting process. You are getting there, don’t give up. :slight_smile: The crash log is not good news, but it looks like the burns finished OK. If it asks to send the report, send it.

//EDIT// I apologize if you have answered this, but make sure your C: drive has plenty of free space (10 GB or more) [B]and is defragmented[/B]. This can have a big effect on backup speed. If you do not have ImgBurn on your system, download and install it. It has some tools that may be needed later and is a great application to have anyway and is free. Here is a link: http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=download

Hi Signals,

Ok, I found a movie that did not need to be compressed. I changed the media to Maxell, I had been using the Verbatims that are lightscribe, and I didnt want to waste them on tests. Anyway, here is the log (its a crash log again):

8/24/2008 7:33:33 PM info WRITE SUCCESS: Disc written
8/24/2008 7:33:33 PM info Finalization Time 00:00:45 - Total completion time 00:07:53
8/24/2008 7:32:48 PM info Write finished in 00:07:07 - Finalization start here. Avg. burn rate 7.67
8/24/2008 7:25:40 PM info Lead-in burning time (mS) 0
8/24/2008 7:25:40 PM info Write started 2019904 sectors to write
8/24/2008 7:25:40 PM info Writing speed requested x8.0, effective x8.0
8/24/2008 7:25:40 PM info Available write speed: 8x, 6x, 4x
8/24/2008 7:25:40 PM info Media ID: CMC MAG-M01-00
8/24/2008 7:25:40 PM info Media type: DVD+R
8/24/2008 7:25:40 PM info Ultra DMA mode 4 (ATA66)
8/24/2008 7:25:37 PM info Scanned files #10, folder #2 - total size 4135643136 b. (3.85 Gb.)
8/24/2008 7:25:37 PM info Inserted media type : DVD+R
8/24/2008 7:25:37 PM info Write started
8/24/2008 7:01:24 PM info New media (DVD+R) inserted. Burning layer is ready to write
8/24/2008 7:01:22 PM info Compatible media types : DVD-R, DVD-RW Seq., DVD-RW RO, DVD+R, DVD+RW, CD-R, CD-RW, DL DVD+R, DL DVD-R
8/24/2008 7:01:22 PM info Drive has IDE-ATAPI physical interface
8/24/2008 7:01:22 PM info New Drive selected : 1:1:0 - PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-110D 1.37 [H] (Ide)
8/24/2008 6:56:01 PM info Current Drive selected : 1:0:0 - PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-106D 1.08 [G] (Ide)
8/24/2008 6:56:01 PM info Using Patin-Couffin driver Version 1.37, Internal revision 37 - Async. Access mode
8/24/2008 6:56:01 PM info User default language : 1033 (0x0409h) - English (United States)
8/24/2008 6:56:01 PM info System default language : 1033 (0x0409h) - English (United States)
8/24/2008 6:56:01 PM info DLL Version 5, 0, 7, 6
8/24/2008 6:56:01 PM info DLL C:\Program Files\DVDFab 5\DVDFab.exe
8/24/2008 6:56:01 PM info Version 5, 0, 7, 6
8/24/2008 6:56:01 PM info ExeName : "C:\Program Files\DVDFab 5\DVDFab.exe"
8/24/2008 6:56:01 PM info OS : Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
8/24/2008 6:56:01 PM info ******************** Report session started ********************

Looks like it did the whole job in about 32 minutes, not bad but still a little lengthy for such a short movie. What kind of read rate did you get? Looks like the burn is no longer a problem. Were there any error codes or pop-up boxes relating to the “crash”? Is there anything in the VSO burn log folder at all? And does the disc play OK?

Hi Signals,
The read rate started out slow - like 0.32 - 0.85, then after a minute or so, it climbed up to between 2.60-2.71. I did not receive any errors or pop up windows. The VSO burn log folder only has the info from the previous burns, less the one in the crash log. The disc is ok. Yes the burn seems to be working good.

I have found that the read when it’s that slow hasn’t started yet as FAB is just starting up to read, the next time you see this if you look at your burner you will see that the light isn’t on yet for the burner and when the light comes on then it’s reading, This is just what I have seen, Hope this isn’t wrong but just what I have seen ( no techie here )Anyway glad to hear that it is burning OK for you

[quote=knights89;2116679]Hi Signals,
The read rate started out slow - like 0.32 - 0.85, then after a minute or so, it climbed up to between 2.60-2.71. I did not receive any errors or pop up windows. The VSO burn log folder only has the info from the previous burns, less the one in the crash log. The disc is ok. Yes the burn seems to be working good.[/quote]As Jimbo noted, it is normal for the read to start slower and then speed up, but yours still starts too slow and never really gets to what I would consider a normal read speed. You should not have bottlenecks on the read drive anymore, but there are still things that can cause this other than just a slow drive. Do you have ImgBurn installed? If not, download and put it on so we can look at and possibly change the device filters in the registry easily. Tell me when you have had enough of this :).

I have been doing some reading on the 106 drive. It seems to have the “Quiet Drive” feature that will make it read more slowly. See if you can turn that off if it is not already. This is an old drive, maybe time to replace it?

Ok, I have IMGBurn installed. Ill see if I can turn off this quiet drive feature. What do I do with IMGBurn?

Open it. Under Mode, select Read. On the drop down, select the read drive, the 106. Under Tools, select Filter Driver Load Order. Single click on each filter to see what program installed it. There may be one for the Quiet Drive feature, I’m not sure how it works. You can copy each one to the clipboard using the button at the bottom and then paste into Notepad. Then select all of them in Notepad and paste them into a post. You can do this for the burn drive as well but there is no need to post them, but it would be interesting to see if they are the same.