Australia to ban incandescent bulbs

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#1

“CANBERRA, Australia - Australia will be the world’s first country to ban incandescent lightbulbs in a bid to curb Greenhouse gas emissions, with the government saying on Tuesday they would be phased out within three years. Environment Minister Malcolm Turnbull said yellow incandescent bulbs, which have been in use virtually unchanged for 125 years, would be replaced by more efficient compact fluorescent bulbs by 2009.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17233145/


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[size=3]I think it’s a great move. Other countries should follow. I personally have been switching over to fluorescent bulbs since mid-2006. The lights last longer and are more energy efficient. They are more expensive bulb for bulb, but it pays off in the end.

A compact fluorescent lamp (CFL), also known as a compact fluorescent light bulb or an energy saving lightbulb is more expensive up front, but lasts much longer and saves energy since a 15-watt CFL produces the same amount of light as a 60-watt incandescent bulb (approximately 900 lumens or 60 lumens per watt).
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#2

Our house has 1 :bigsmile:
No wait, 2… I think.


#3

<img src=“http://upload.cdfreaks.com/seanbyrne/Philips_16w_esb.gif” hspace=“20” align=“right”>Most of the rooms in our house have energy saving light bulbs for around the past 10 years, with about half of them still working today since we originally put them in. Currently, my preference is the philips softone bulb due to resembling a regular incandescent bulb and about the same size. These are priced the same as the regular energy savers in the hardware shops around here, however I’m not sure if these are available in Australia. The bulb shown to the right is a 16 watt softone, which is roughly the size of a regular light bulb and is as bright as a 75 watt incandescent bulb.

While some are unhappy with how energy saving bulbs start at about 50% their brightness when first switched on, they are much easier on the eyes after coming home at night as well as getting up at night.

However, before heading off to a discount store to pick up the cheapest energy savers you can find to replace all the bulbs in the house, it is worth trying one or two first. From my experience, many of the discount store energy saving bulbs don’t give off their advertised rating, tend to give bad colour rendering (usually a bluish light instead of the usual warm white) and tend to be large like the early energy savers. I’m sure many who tried these from the discount store may think twice of using energy savers, not realising that unlike incandescent bulbs, energy saving bulbs can vary a lot from one manufacturer to another.

Assuming the ban covers halogen incandescent bulbs, it will be interesting to see what these will be replaced with, particularly with the widespread use of outdoor 500 watt halogen sensor operated lights and living room floor standing lamps. :wink:


#4

Wow, you’re blowing most people out of the water! You’re a born leader, not a follower. Great job!!! :slight_smile:


#5

Don´t forget about LEDs…they´re also pretty cool


#6

They started using those in the stoplights here a few years ago…much better!:iagree: The LED stoplights are brighter and look like they’re made of many small light bulbs. They are brighter, they don’t get as hot, and they use less power.<O:p</O:p


#7

BAN the Australian Goverment for not using modern technique! :wink: I´d go for LED´s instead of Energy Saving Lights that contains much Mercury and of course will do very much harm(if not more than a std lightbulb)to inviroment.Yes of course changing to ESL will save current but who will recycle them?Will 100% of the ESL come recycled?WHAT will happen if 1% of the ESL perhaps are thrown in nature?(I´ve hadnt had the time to check what LED´s contain and if they are toxic in miss used and not properly recycled,perhaps anyone else??)


#8

It’s a step in the right direction.
I’ve had CF lamps in all my outlets for the last 7 years (since I got my own place :stuck_out_tongue: )

Recently I’ve moved and have 2 light fittings in the house that I can’t fit CF lamps into :a :a

Australia has also implemented energy conscious requirements into the BCA , aka Building Code of Australia, which in commercial applications can be challenging.

Commercial applications often have much high-lighting (spotlights & floodlights) which using halogens (a very common lamp type) will likely not comply for most apps.

The lighting industry is gonna freak, when these limits are imposed on new building applications.

Huge ramifications.
Incandescent lamps, for sure, will not comply.

FYI: LEDS are incredibly expensive, and really aren’t a decent light source.
To date, there is no real standardisation concerning how these LEDS are implemented … most require constant current, and a dedicated current controller.

Some more intelligent systems use a constant voltage supplier, with a localised current control circuit integrated with the LED as a single package.

At any rate, none of these LEDs take the standard 220-240v (or 110-120V if you are that way inclined) and the controllers are not interchangeable between product lines, let alone between manufacturers.

LEDs just are NOT mature enough to be seriously implemented in anything other than fancy signage, if you have the cash to spare.


#9

Actually, the heat is one of the biggest problems with LED’s.
All the power is dissipated on a very small crystal, and a HUGE problem with LED’s is keeping them cool.

As we all know from CPU’s, lowering the temperature increases the life, and vice versa.

Good commercial LED systems consider the heat implications & allow for it, usually large heatsinks.
Cheap chinese LED systems just use the connecting wires to absorb & disippate the heat. Obviously, this is less efficient, and the expected lifetime is rather pathetic.

Another problem with LED’s is the lumen depreciation (as with many other lighting techologies). LEDs often have stated lifetimes exceeding 50,000 hrs … realistically, at this point, most LEDS are at 10% of their original brightness, and this is usually at about 10% of the lumen (raw light) output that you would achieve using a decent high efficiency T5 (5/16 inch diameter) fluorescents lamps for the same price.

I’m also not getting into the colour temperature of the LED resultant light either. That’s even more fun :stuck_out_tongue:


#10

Many years ago I switched to LED lights on my Christmas tree…it does not get close to the same temp as the old incandescent lights. I’m talking in regard to LED vs. incandescent.

In fairness to your claim, the LED lights on the tree are smaller, which may give the illusion of cooler…so perhaps you’re correct. I would need a temp sensor and two lights (LED / incandescent) the same size to see for sure. Interesting…


#11

I’ve been changing to energy bulb when one of the old ones goes out. Almost all out bulbs here are energy savers. If you buy them on sale they aren’t bad for the price.


#12

Lol, Aye :wink:

The power density of LED’s is obviously much higher.

To give you a very rough comparison. The light emitting part of the led is smaller than the size of a grain of sand (and getting smaller)
They are now producing led’s which convert 1W (or more) of electricty to light.
A CPU by comparison is, maybe 10000 times the surface area, and emits about 100W of power (in the case of high end cpu’s).

The LED’s you get for xmas trees lighting & for indicators are very low power & low light output, aka OLD technology, and are incapable of being a serious light source.
If they are incredibly bright, they might be 1/8 of a watt.


#13

Heya Debro. Whilst I agree with switching over to energy savers (I have them in every light fitting in the house…) I think that “Little Johnny Howard” has pulled this stunt to make himself look ever so “environmentally sweet” to the Australian population in an election year (This is a guy who won’t let the country sign the Kyoto accords but thinks banning lightbulbs will make us look environmentally good around the world.). Let’s face it, he hasn’t being doing well in the polls lately so he had to pull some sort of rabbit out of his hat! First he underfunded his big “water proposal” (For non-Australians; this is a plan to improve water retention in one of Australia’s largest river systems to tackle severe drought…) by billions…but putting that aside, this is the guy who is a perfect example of the old saying;
“If the truth doesn’t fit, bend it!” I wonder if he even remembers the Tampa and the “children overboard” issue? And have all Aussies noticed that the anti-terrorism ads have started up on tv again? You bet! Nothing helps to scare people into voting conservative like a dose of terrorism! Oh Johnny, you are running scared. :slight_smile: :wink:


#14

Some more info for paranoid freaks, err … I meant the clear-thinking & knowledgeable … that understand that banning incandescent lamps, and forcing everyone to purchase Compact Fluorescent lamps against their will, is a conspiracy to erode your civil liberties and enslave humanity …

http://7myths.planetark.org/index.html#myth6

It’s obvious that Planet Ark, the last bastion of human freedom and goodwill, has been compromised. There’s no alternate options but to commit mass suicide … or be assimilated into the CFL fold … the time to choose is 19:13:23, next Tuesday.

Keep your rope handy, just in case :iagree:


#15

I will stick to flouresent until led lights come way down in price!


#16

Over the past two years nearly every bulb in our house has been changed to CF. It is nice to not have to change bulbs regularly and there was a noticeable drop in our electric bill. Our kitchen uses five flood type lights and all five of the CF flood lights we have now use about the same electricity as ONE of the old type. It really is a good idea to push for people to switch from incandescent bulbs as the energy savings are huge.


#17

mine is cf for years some have not lasted as long as they said they would. I think some are made in china and are not up to standards.
I purchase them when lowes or homedepot has them on sale.


#18

They have come a long way from the first ones I bought two years ago. Those were slow to start and get up to their maximum brightness. The newer ones come on immediately and at nearly full brightness. Also, the light is much better for seeing colors accurately.


#19

Personally, I only buy lamps from either Philips or Osram, and I haven’t bought any of the recents from Philips, because a few of them died prematurely … after just 9 months of light use.

I use the Osram Twist/Mini-Twist 20 or 23W because they’re about 1/3 shorter than the straight twin tube versions, and the 23W is more than a match for the 100W incandescents.

I have various el-cheapies floating around in the cupboards for miscellaneous uses like table lamps, but I refuse to use them for the main lighting because a) they die quicker (and ceiling lights can be a pain in the rump to access), b) The randomly flicker or take a long time to start and c) The colours are all FUBAR compared to a reliable brand.

Unlike incandescent lamps, which come in a single horrible orange colour, Compact Fluorescents come in many different colours - incandescents are supposed to be warm white/3000deg Kelvin, but I personally prefer the Cool White/4000deg K - but since the missus yells the loudest & gets the most complaints from the neighbours, warm white all over the house, and my computer room (aka the spare bedroom) gets Cool White :slight_smile:

It’s important to remember that when buying cheap CF lamps that you must be open to any colour light … because el-cheapy lamps are never the colour that’s written on the box, and sometimes you get a muted rainbow of colours, if you get a 6 pack of lamps, and you should buy a lottery ticket if you get two in the box that are a colour match with eachother, let alone what’s written on the box :wink:

Remember:
Daylight = 6500degK = Same as the sun (apparently) … you won’t fall asleep with the lights on, but you probably will get eyestrain, and be cranky/irritable.
Cool White = 4000degK = Home Work Colour.
Warm White = 3000degK = Home Colour.
Interna = 2700degK = Sleepy Colour.

Damnit, I’m looking at buying a house soon, and everything I’m looking at is either 50yrs old with ancient architectural lights which would never fit a CF, or fitted out with f@#$%n halogen downlights (which is the stupid trend in Oz). Halogens are slightly more efficient than incandescents and are next in line to be banned … and at only 25lm/w, about 2/5 as efficient as a [reputable brand] CF :frowning:


#20

It`s official - XXI will be known as Century of Slaves