Audio CDs - Newbie is desperate for help

Hi! Thanks for coming in

I’m using Nero 5.5 and Musicmatch7.5 to create audio CDs that will play in my hi-fi.

My first CD worked ok (made by Nero) but I seem to have some problems putting my collection of Evanescence songs on to a CD.

Firstly the first track (doesn’t matter which one) doesn’t play when I used Nero and Musicmatch and there is a slight loss of quality when using Nero.

Just can’t remember exactly how I made my first compilation work.

I have an MSI 48X16X48 drive and use TDK CD-RXG 74 AUDIO discs.

Oh and I’ve messed up 5cdrs already - (1st track doesn’t play)

Please help

Thanks!

Welcome, I would suggest trying the Nero wizard if you want to record with the least amount of steps and settings to mess with if you are unsure of the settings to use. There is alot of other software out there besides Nero and I think you will find not too many if anyone using musicmatch, Im not sure of compatability with Nero. I would read getting started in the Nero help, and reading through the software forum here. And you can probably find out about your burner and pickup some good tips in the Hardware forum. Happy Burning;)

ok, i converted the songs to .wav and now the first track plays but its the only one with bad sound quality - the others do sound worse but no that much - they sound ok when played from the hard disk using winamp

There is a utility called cdspeed in the Nero toolkit . If you need more info look through the forum for cdspeed and look at some of the graghs to see what they should look like. Run the tests and see how the burner is working. Your burner might be bad, you might be having conflict with the software you have installed, you really don’t need Musicmatch, there is much better software out there.

thanks - still no luck tho

concerning your comment on conflicts, I’ve got Easy CD Creator, Nero, Feurio and Musicmatch installed.

My best result has come from Musicmatch surprisingly, out of the 8 coasters that I have right now.

When I didnt have a CD writer, I though making audio CDs from mp3s would be easy.

Guess Im wrong.

Please help me on this.

In summary my problem is

The first track doesn’t play and/or the tracks are slightly worse in sound quality

I have also tried manually converting the mp3s to wav files - still no improvement.

8 coasters?
Were there any errors while burning?
Did the burning process run smoothly?

I’d say that it’s a quality writing or/and reading problem.
Audio TDK CDRs? Why do you use those expensive CDRs? Are they rated for high speed burning? Have you tried other CDRs? What speed are you burning?

Maybe they’re made for 1x/2x recorders, and they’re not very compatible at high speeds.
Can you rip and play those CDRS with the MSI? Do those WAVs sound right? What are you using to play those discs?

Thanks - Here are the details…

No errors and the burning went smoothly with all 4 pieces of software.

I’ve tried Maxell CD-RW but obviously they didn’t work. I’m burning at 4x with the TDKs and there is no rating on the CDs - bought a pack of ten - 8 wasted! Nearly given up with audio burning!

yeah, they play perfectly well in my MSI CDRW drive and in my Lite On DVD drive.

I’m using a Teac h500i CD player - part of the Teac Reference 500 hi-fi system.

Originally posted by jy88888888
yeah, they play perfectly well in my MSI CDRW drive and in my Lite On DVD drive.

Alright… so, the CDRs are probably good enough.
The problem is that your player isn’t able to read the data correctly. Why? Maybe your player is not good enough to read CDRs, maybe your player doesn’t like that kind of CDRs or maybe those TDKs were really burned with very low quality (due to writer or compatability between writer and CDRs).

Now you have to find out what is exactly the problem. Try other CDRs. Don’t you have older CDRs burned with another drive? Are those TDKs the first CDRs you try to play in the Teac?

If your writer reports C2 errors, you can check if the TDKs have low quality…
CDSpeed and Feurio can report C2 errors (if you configure Feurio in Special Parameters).
To know if your drive can report C2 errors use the “Test Device” option in Feurio CD-Manager -> Program Parameters, and read the first lines in the report. EAC also has a test for that, if you use a scratched CD.

About the C2 thing - it only works with data CDs - right? I’m making audio CDs so C2 thingy doesn’t apply - right?

I made a compilation with a TDK a few weeks ago and it works - it’s the only one that works - am I missing something when I’m making audio CDs now?

Dunno about trying other CDRs - having bought 10 and making 8 coasters, I’m thinking CDR “investigation” is expensive business!

Any recommendations?

Thanks for your help so far

Here’s the spec for my CD player - if it helps

http://www.gha.com.au/cdb500.html

Originally posted by jy88888888
[B]thanks - still no luck tho

concerning your comment on conflicts, I’ve got Easy CD Creator, Nero, Feurio and Musicmatch installed.

My best result has come from Musicmatch surprisingly, out of the 8 coasters that I have right now.

When I didnt have a CD writer, I though making audio CDs from mp3s would be easy.

Guess Im wrong.

Please help me on this.

In summary my problem is

The first track doesn’t play and/or the tracks are slightly worse in sound quality

I have also tried manually converting the mp3s to wav files - still no improvement. [/B]

Like I said I know nothing about Musicmatch, But If you read the posts here concerning EZ CdCreator and Nero its not good to have both on your system. Nero is much better (opinion) , I would stick to feurio! and Nero as they are compatible . I would dump the Musicmatch, and EZCd Creator, but it is hard to remove EZCD completely unless you know how to do it. I think you need to do some more research on the software and clean up you system of the un-needed burning software. and you will get better results.

fuerio seems to report something about an ASPI driver or something - I’m planning on formatting my system and just using Nero but I’ll wait a bit to see if any new help comes along

Is there anyone here with masses of mp3s and can make audio CDs perfectly? There must be! Please help!

Originally posted by jy88888888
About the C2 thing - it only works with data CDs - right? I’m making audio CDs so C2 thingy doesn’t apply - right?

No. C2 layer is alo present in audio CDs.

fuerio seems to report something about an ASPI driver or something

What exactly? You’re probably using Win98 and its original ASPI layer. Update to ASPI 4.60 (not more). But that’s not the problem (Nero uses its own updated ASPI).

Is there anyone here with masses of mp3s and can make audio CDs perfectly? There must be!

Of course. Almost everybody.
Yourself also. It’s your player that doesn’t like them. The audio information is there, in the CDR (you can play it in the MSI and LiteOn), the problem is that it’s not written well enough to be read by the Teac or that the Teac has problems with CDRs in general. Have you tried different burning speeds? That could be a reason why there are some CDRs that play better…

You have to try other CDRs!
They could be easily read… And better if you can get CDRs burned with another writer…

All my coasters were burned at 4x - Is it worth burning at higher speeds or should I just try 1x and 2x?

Im stuck with using my MSI writer and TEAC player so I guess trying other CDs is the only option.

Two things though…

  1. Does the software used play any part in how well the CDs play? Which one do you use minix?

  2. When I’m buying CDRs, is it just a case of randomly picking one off the shelf or should I be looking for specialised ones such as ones with high reflectivity.

If possible, I will be very grateful if you, whoever it may be, provide me with detailed instructions on how you create your audio CDs - I will follow it using CDRs of different brands until it works perfectly. (Instructions for NERO, Roxio, Musicmatch preferable)

Thanks again!

If you live in the UK you can get Taiyo Yuden (amazing quality) from here:

http://www.riverproaudio.co.uk/acatalog/CATALOGUE_HOME_Taiyo_Yuden_CD_R_Media_337.html

Originally posted by jy88888888
All my coasters were burned at 4x - Is it worth burning at higher speeds or should I just try 1x and 2x?
Im stuck with using my MSI writer and TEAC player so I guess trying other CDs is the only option.

Apart from that, the only other option is trying other burning speeds.
Low speeds are not always better. Maybe MSI didn’t care to tune that drive for low speeds…
8x, 12x, 16x are usually good speeds.
Try other CDRs and players (a discman…) to understand if it’s a problem with the Teac or poor writing quality of the MSI.

  1. Does the software used play any part in how well the CDs play? Which one do you use minix?

The software shouldn’t make a difference. See the posts by BoSkin in this thread to understand how burning works:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66814 (search for OPC in the 7th post)
I think that calibration depends only on drive, not software.
I use Feurio: it’s the finest audio burning program and great to detect problems… but your only problem is between writer and CDRs, not software or O.S. (don’t forget to install ASPI 4.60 anyway).

You may try this crazy trick in Feurio CD-Writer -> Info -> Settings -> “Adjust power-calibration manually”:
“Carry out manual power calibration
If this switch is set a ”Power calibration” command will be sent to the writer before the start of a write process.
The ”Power calibration” command introduces the CD-Writer to adjust the laser power to the inserted CD-R.
Some CD-Writers automatically carry out a ”Power calibration” command at the start of a write process, in this case the switch will be deactivated.
Should this switch be activated / deactivated?
Normally this switch should be left alone.
If burned CDs don´t run properly, you can try to change this switch.”

This should produce worse CDRs because calibration may not be done, but…

  1. When I’m buying CDRs, is it just a case of randomly picking one off the shelf or should I be looking for specialised ones such as ones with high reflectivity.

The problem is that you can’t know what CDRs will have better reflectivity… but that’s the idea: you have try more CDRs. Taiyo Yuden, Verbatim Azo are good CDRs.

If possible, I will be very grateful if you, whoever it may be, provide me with detailed instructions on how you create your audio CDs - I will follow it using CDRs of different brands until it works perfectly. (Instructions for NERO, Roxio, Musicmatch preferable)
[/B]

Forget about configuration. There’s nothing in the software to change the writing quality (except burning speeds and that crazy option in Feurio).
As I’ve said, you can read the CDRs in the MSI, so the data is there… now you have to burn the “pits” and “lands” in a way that the Teac player is able to read them correctly…

Originally posted by Chriso
[B]If you live in the UK you can get Taiyo Yuden (amazing quality) from here:

http://www.riverproaudio.co.uk/acatalog/CATALOGUE_HOME_Taiyo_Yuden_CD_R_Media_337.html [/B]

Yeah, I live in the UK, and I was wondering where I could get Taiyo Yuden.

Thanks!

Thanks everyone but it seems Im pretty close to a perfect CD - the 8 coasters have a common problem - the first track sometimes plays and its quality is worse - the other tracks play well.
Like I said, my very first CD was perfect.

Just need to know why Im having the same problem with the first track.

The TEAC plays the CDs, just not the 1st track - very strange.

Oh well, I’ll give the Taiyo Yuden a try sometime

Anyone have any ideas before I fork out £25 on some CDRs?