Are you people being arrested in UK

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#1

Can anyone tell me what the current situation with downloading movies thru p2p and bit torrent is in the UK and London?

I would like to know if the police raiding public/residential homes to confiscate their PC’s and putting them in jail etc. by tracking peoples internet usage and movie download by covert survlience.


#2

As London is in the UK there is no difference. People have been banged up but mainly for massive sharing as in files in the thousands and breaking of copyright protection. I have yet to hear of a standard sharer getting locked up.

There is a simple solution, if you are that bothered don’t do it.


#3

According to recent stories, the BPI is tracking UK users who use file sharing networks and like the RIAA, they have already targetted at least 90 victims. So far, 60 have already settled out of court and the BPI are putting 5 through court who so have refused to settle.

It is not clear if the BPI has raided any individual, although this would likely have been announced if so. So far, there is no news about anyone going to prison over P2P file sharing. I also haven’t heard of any private individuals getting sued for sharing movies over P2P in the UK, although I would not be surprised if warnings are being sent.


#4

ok so if im just an indvidual i can download the odd movie now and then say about once a week and nothing will happen to me?

im also using stealthed firewall, anti-spy software and ip blocking/hiding software like Jap so i am more protected.

I see loads of torrent websites out there full of people downloading so there must be somthing like their not going for downloaders and small time downloaders


#5

For the most part, nobody minor has been sued in ANY country.

I have yet to hear of a SINGLE case of someone being sued without having a “shared folder” of thousands of songs/movies/apps.

On the other hand, people have gotten “cease & desist” leters from downloading a single movie (directly from an RIAA tracker).

As far as I know, the only “raids” that have happened ANYWHERE in the world were of major file traffickers… people who operated servers or piracy rings. Even the couple of “college students” who have been busted turned out to be big-time traders, couriers for pirate rings, etc.


#6

There were three people in the NW who were sent to prison, they were part of a release group I think it was called “Drink Or Die” or something along those lines, though I admit my memory for names is not very good and it was a few months ago.

jaffa if you are that worried don’t so it, it is the only way you won’t get caught pure and simple. Everytime you download something illegally you take a risk most of those that do it know this and accept it. There are ways to protect yourself, but believe me there is no such thing as anonymity on the web, you can always be found.


#7

It was called “Drink or Die”. They were the “warez bears from Russia” or some crap. The authorities have been trying to bust DoD for about 10 years… since I was in college! They got too big. :frowning:


#8

3 of them where tried in Wigan which is in NW UK. They were an international thing.


#9

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/5214/How+Drink+or+Die+network+was+brought+down+

http://www.defacto2.net/groups-detail.cfm?org=dod

Info on DOD.

On P2P, all I have heard about is people getting done for sharing files, not actually downloading them. I suppose the thinking being that if people get too scared to share the files - there won’t be any to download.

Bottom line is - if you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime - if you know that by downloading copyright material you are breaking the law, I suppose you have to be prepared to take the consequences.


#10

While I agree with you in principle, I get very irritated by the fact that people are BUYING INTO the **AA’s bullshit about how “downloading P2P files is THEFT, GRAND LARCENY. YOU ARE ALL CRIMINALS!”

It’s BS and we all know it’s BS, don’t go encouraging the poor newbies to believe it.


#11

Okay if it is aginst the law as laid out in your country and you do it then yes you are a criminal as you are breaking the law, that is a fact. This is regardless of what your personal opinion on the matter is.


#12

Gurm I know what you mean - but at the end of the day, it does go against the law - doesn’t matter if that law is just or not.

I would also say the risk of an average Joe getting hit by law enforcement must be pretty low - I guess it is the luck of the draw who the go after.


#13

No, really they go after the big sharers. People with thousands of songs shared out all the time. You know the type.


#14

They generally hit the big guys, two are in trouble in the NW again for sharing 8905 songs between them, but they do throw the occasional small guy in hoping they will settle rather than go to court so they can say “See we do go after you little guys as well” to try and scare people off.


#15

Yes, but by “little guy” they mean someone with a thousand songs or more shared out. I have yet to hear of even one lawsuit against someone who wasn’t sharing out a gigabyte of stuff.


#16

LOL!!! What total BS! ERM, here in the uk copyright law is CIVIL LAW NOT CRIMINAL LAW. You cannot go to prison. PERIOD. You can get sued though, that’s if they can find you twice, once to serve papers and one further time to enforce the judgement :bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile:

that’s why I sleep very very well. Not that I condone piracy of course :wink:


#17

http://www.jenkins-ip.com/patlaw/index1.htm

Not true - if you read the act - available on the link above - it does state that it is a criminal act!!!


#18

And here it is in all it’s glory!! Still sleeping so soundly???

Section 107: Offences Criminal liability for making or dealing with infringing articles, &c.

107.-(1) A person commits an offence who, without the licence of the copyright owner-

(a) makes for sale or hire, or

(b) imports into the United Kingdom otherwise than for his private and domestic use, or

© possesses in the course of a business with a view to committing any act infringing the copyright, or

(d) in the course of a business-

(i) sells or lets for hire, or

(ii) offers or exposes for sale or hire, or

(iii) exhibits in public, or

(iv) distributes, or

(e) distributes otherwise than in the course of a business to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the owner of the copyright,

an article which is, and which he knows or has reason to believe is, an infringing copy of a copyright work.

(2) A person commits an offence who-

(a) makes an article specifically designed or adapted for making copies of a particular copyright work, or

(b) has such an article in his possession,

knowing or having reason to believe that it is to be used to make infringing copies for sale or hire or for use in the course of a business.

(2A) A person who infringes copyright in a work by communicating the work to the public -

(a) in the course of a business, or

(b) otherwise than in the course of a business to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the owner of the copyright,commits an offence if he knows or has reason to believe that, by doing so, he is infringing copyright in that work.

(3) Where copyright is infringed (otherwise than by reception of a communication to the public)-

(a) by the public performance of a literary, dramatic or musical work, or

(b) by the playing or showing in public of a sound recording or film,

any person who caused the work to be so performed, played or shown is guilty of an offence if he knew or had reason to believe that copyright would be infringed.

(4) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) (a), (b), (d) (iv) or (e) is liable-

(a) on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or both;

(b) on conviction on indictment to a fine or imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years, or both.

(4A) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (2A) is liable -

(a) on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three months or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or both;

(b) on conviction on indictment to a fine or imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, or both.

(5) A person guilty of any other offence under this section is liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or both.

(6) Sections 104 to 106 (presumptions as to various matters connected with copyright) do not apply to proceedings for an offence under this section; but without prejudice to their application in proceedings for an order under section 108 below.