Hmm, that must be what I ran into (refers to my "what are the ****ing odds" post). Either way though you can get a 50 pack of 8x TY DVD+R or DVD-R for less than that 25 pack. My last pack of 8x TYG02 DVD-R discs ran me $30 after shipping vs. the $35 that they are charging for those apples. I don't care what manufacturer/dye they are carrying, they aren't so much better than the Taiyo Yudens that they merit that much extra of a cost. It's true that they could go on special but Apple media SELDOM goes on special.