ok, i uninstalled, rebooted, reinstalled, rebooted and it works now. I fired up DVD Shrink and it is currently encoding. Is this the path you would recomment? TO use DVD Shrink to create an ISO that is around 4.5....then use Alcohol 120% to burn the ISO to disk? If there is a better, faster, or more reliable way to accomplish this, let me know....but it is looking good so far.