[QUOTE=cd pirate;2065312]LOL can someone please explain to me why all these new people complaining about the “drop in quality” are always saying going on about “5 years from now” etc etc?!
WTF has an initial scan got to do with degradation? As far as I’m concerned there is ZERO correlation at all. Please tell me, what part of a slightly worse scan screams out “I’m going to degrade quicker”?
If a a disc is going to degrade, how does having 200 total PIF reduce it’s chances of dying compared to one with 3000 PIF total? If they both equally degrade and have 500,000 PIF added to the total in 5 years time, then you are comparing 500,200 PIF to 503,000 PIF. Pretty small difference eh? They’d both be unreadable too thanks.
Rather than harp on about the ridiculous “drop in quality” what about checking for air bubbles in the hub of the disc, if the ends come apart easily because of poor bonding, looking under a strong light for defects? Also using scanning the way it should be used - to check for things like degradation after a few months of burning.
All PIF scanning can show you is WHEN a disc degrades, not IF it will degrade.[/QUOTE]
Oh dear. Looks like I helped derail the discussion :o
[Off Topic]I rely on three tests, sequentially, to determine the current state of any kind of disc, be it CD-ROM, CD-R, DVD+R/-R or ROM, in order of importance.
- ScanDisc: Tells you whether or not the disc can be read and/or if the redundancy margin of checkbits has been eaten into by failures. The latter is important information for anyone who has ever had the misfortune of using CMC MAG media, but that’s another debate.
- A TRT: to determine the speed at which the disc can be read.
- [B][I]IF[/I][/B] both the previous tests showed no issues, [B][I]THEN[/I][/B] use a Quality Scan to get extra info. It is only on that basis that I’ll pay any attention to PIE/PIF or C1/C2 error rates.
My point was that the OP takes - what I consider to be - too gloomy a view of the current crop of medias.
For example, I have never seen a Chinese Lightscribe Verbie. So if you consider that Chinese = :Z , which the OP seems to do, there are ways to avoid MIC MCC 004.
I would also recommend most forms of 8X Tayio Yuden Obviously I would recommend the +R flavour, being a +R fan, but from what I’ve seen of TYG02, the -R version, it looks pretty good.