AMD-based DIY comp done!

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#1

AMD-based DIY comp price: £695.77

Processor:
AMD ATHLON XP3000+ 333MHz FSB Barton 512kb L2 Cache - OEM
Our Price £156.75
£184.19 inc VAT
92 in stock (Usually ships same day)
QuickFind code: 46310
Mfr part #: AXDA3000DKV4D

Motherboard:
Asus A7V600 VIA KT600 8x AGP DDR400 Serial ATA Giga LAN/Sound/USB2 ATA133
Our Price £58.42
£68.65 inc VAT
308 in stock (Usually ships same day)
QuickFind code: 50163
Mfr part #: 90-M7A760-G0EAY

Memory:
Note: 500MHz FSB memory on a 400MHz FSB motherboard. This is because it is the cheapest 512Mb PC4000 DDR memory I could find. So happens to be 500MHz FSB… Will it be a problem?

Corsair Xms Extreme Memory 512mb Pc4000 Ddr 500mhz
Our Price £64.53
£75.83 inc VAT
ordered on request (10 days)
QuickFind code: 52058
Mfr part #: CMX512-4000

Hard Drive:
Western Digital Caviar SE 120Gb 7200rpm 8mb Cache EIDE Hard Drive - OEM
Our Price £69.99
£82.24 inc VAT
77 in stock (Usually ships same day)
QuickFind code: 32012
Mfr part #: WD1200JB

DVD Drive:
Liteon 4x DVD+R/RW IDE Burner - Retail Box
Our Price £76.50
£89.89 inc VAT
35 in stock (Usually ships same day)
QuickFind code: 50925
Mfr part #: LDW-401S

Video Card:
Gainward Fx 5600 Powerpack Ultra 780 256MB 8xAGP Video-Out DVI Retail Box
Our Price £97.66
£114.76 inc VAT
ordered on request (15 days)
QuickFind code: 49460
Mfr part #: 471846200-4943

What power rating do I need for my computer + any additional hardware (inkjet, scanner, possibly second CD-RW drive, second HDD) it may need in the future?

Some additional notes:
Although Dee-Ehn suggested a LDW-411S drive which is dual format, I could not find it listed there. Still searching

Also, Dee-Ehn suggested an ATI 9800 or 9700 Pro. I checked
this article from Tom’s Hardware Guide and it looks like the ATI Radeon series is not as good as the GeForce FX range. Tom’s benchmarks do not list the performance of the non-pro versions of the 9800 series. The only 9800 card I may be willing to pay for is the “Hercules 3D Prophet All-in-Wonder 9800SE 128MB”.

I might end up sacrificing some performance and get a GeForce FX 5600 Ultra instead. I just find it absurd that some video cards can cost more than a CPU + motherboard :eek:

Both the Intel & AMD based systems will need to have the £115.75 + the price of the PSU (unknown at this point) and a monitor added to it. So the actual cost will be closer to £1000.

As a sidenote, a Dell computer of equivalent specs cost ~£1,100. But I don’t like how I can’t see the fine details of buying with Dell as you can when you DIY it.

If you wish to check on the Intel-based one, it is here.


#2

CPU: ok

Mainboard: better get one with a NForce 2 chipset, as it performs better (costs maybe a little more, but I think it’s worth the money)

HDD: ok

DVDR drive: same story as in the Intel thread (link)

VGA: better read some more reviews on ATi vs NVidia :wink:


#3

With a TV-out card, is there any point getting a large monitor? Might as well hook it up to a TV and you can play games on the TV screen. Or is the quality not as good?


#4

Originally posted by Tyro
With a TV-out card, is there any point getting a large monitor? Might as well hook it up to a TV and you can play games on the TV screen. Or is the quality not as good?

Nopez, televisions don’t have that high resolutions (720x576 for PAL if I’m not mistaking), that’s quite something different than doing 1600x1200 on a CRT/TFT screen.

Besides that, many TVs only operate at 50Hz. 75Hz or higher looks way better (that’s on a monitor)… :slight_smile:


#5

Dee-ehn, done :wink:

Motherboard:
MSI K7N2-lan SKT A NForce 2 Chipset 8x AGP 6Ch-Sound & LAN Motherboard (No Onboard Graphics)

Our Price £53.26
£62.59 inc VAT

1 in stock (Usually ships same day)
QuickFind code: 45259
Mfr part #: K7N2-L

What so special about NForce2 compared to non-NForce2 motherboards?

Other users in the same position may find this article useful.

Still looking up video card reviews


#6

Originally posted by Dee-ehn
[B]
DVDR drive: same story as in the Intel thread (link)

VGA: better read some more reviews on ATi vs NVidia :wink: [/B]

How about the power supply? How much will be enough?

Anyone know any place where I can find a LDW-411S drive in the UK? Have checked a few stores to no avail.

Dee-Ehn, I Googled around but could not find anything that specifically compared the best ATi & NVidia cards within my price range.

BTW - I couldn’t find any Radeon 9700 cards. Do you mean 9600?

Let’s say I put a spending range of £75-£140 on the cards. The following ATi and NVidia cards are possible.

NVidia

[ul]
[li]Gainward Fx 5200 Powerpack 256mb Pro 680 8x Agp Tv-dvi
[/li][li]Gainward Fx 5600 Powerpack Ultra/760 128MB 8xAGP Video-Out DVI Retail Box
[/li][li]Creative Labs 3d Blaster 5 Fx5200 Ultra - Agp 8x Nvidia In
[/li][li]Gainward Fx 5600 Powerpack Ultra 780 256MB 8xAGP Video-Out DVI Retail Box
[/li][li]Gainward Geforce Fx5200 256MB AGP X8 Video-Out/ DVI /Nview Out Retail Box
[/li][li]PNY Verto Geforce FX 5200 Ultra 128MB DDR 8x AGP Retail Box
[/li][li]Leadtek Winfast A310TD128 VIVO Fx 5600 8x AGP 128MB DDR DVI
[/li][li]Leadtek Winfast Fx 5600 AGP X8 MyVIVO 256MB DDR DVI Dual Monitor Out Ret…
[/li][li]3d Blaster 5 Fx5600 256mb Ddr - Agp8x Dvi/tv-out Vga Uk
[/li][li]PNY Verto Geforce FX 5600 256MB DDR 8x AGP Retail Box
[/li][li]Leadtek Winfast A 310 Td Ultra MYVIVO FX5600U AGP x8 128MB DDR
[/li][/ul]

ATi

[ul]
[li]Sapphire Radeon 9600 APG x8 128MB DDR DVI-I TV-Out Lite Retail
[/li][li]Sapphire Radeon 9600 AGP X8 256MB DDR DVI TV-Out Retail Box
[/li][li]Tyan Tachyon Radeon G9600PRO 8xAGP 128MB DDR VGA/DVI/S-Video/Hardware Mon…
[/li][li]Hercules 3d Prophet 9600 AGP 8x 256MB Retail Box
[/li][li]Sapphire Radeon 9600PRO 128MB DDR DVI-I TV-Out Lite Retail
[/li][li]Hercules 3D Prophet All-in-Wonder 9800SE 128MB
[/li][/ul]

Edit:

Removed 15 THG logo’s… what’s the purpose of spamming these logo’s here?

They are different - they test the video cards under various situations. I thought it would be more convenient than people going there. No, Tom’s guide don’t pay me. They’re in the US, I’m in the UK.


#7

Why so many THG icons? Do they pay you for doing this? (;))

I’ll delete some of them I think…

Anyhow: I really meant the Radeon9700(pro), not the 9600. Pretty strange you can’t find any of these cards, as they are still quite popular (and fast). Radeon 9600 cards aren’t all that fast (9500pro is way faster!).

I bought my Radeon9700 some time ago for €195, that would fit in your budget and is really a good card. It’s pretty quiet, way more quieter than the heavily cooled GF FX series.


#8

Yup. I checked 2 other retailers, and they don’t sell the Radeon 9700, at least not in the UK anyway. Same thing with the LDW-411S drive. Can find the 410, but not the 411.

Incidentally, some lingering questions remain:

[ul]
[li]I still don’t know what power supply output to use, or what is a good manufacturer to stick to.
[/li][li]I still don’t know if 500MHz FSB DDR memory will cause problems with a 400MHz FSB motherboard/processor.
[/li][li]I still don’t know why the nforce2 architecture is good for the Athlon.
[/li][li]I am still looking for ATi vs. nvidia articles.
[/li][/ul]

Edit:
For the PSU - I’ve been reading recommendations for the Enermax and Antec. Are these good, or do any of you have any nightmare stories about them?


#9

If your lookin for a video card to buy check www.pricewatch.com they have every video card ever made pratically. PSU wise there really isn’t any good or bad brand that I’ve seen yet. I’ve used cheapy ones before and they’ve never caused problems with me. The one thing to watch out for though is how manu connector cables it has. Some cheapy ones don’t have very many, like 5-6. which gives you little room to expand. I also recommend you get at least a 450Watt PSU. The 500Mhz FSB RAM won’t cause problems, or at least it shouldn’t, but it won’t operate as effeciently because if you use them dual-channel the FSBs would equal that of the motherboard’s FSB, plus it’s more expensive. I’m not sure about why the nforce 2 is good for Athlon but if you can, get a hold of the new nforce3 motherboard that came out with the release of the FX-51. Must be a good chipset or something, if need be I can find some articles. I would personally recommend gettin an Nvidia Video Card because it is the most compatible with games nowasayd and has very good drivers. As for the articles comparing them I haven’t seen any that are that good either. But I’ll put it this way, on paper Radeon CRUSHES Nvidia but because of crappy drivers they can’t reach full potential and fall behind for gamin purposes.