About 207 and 208, and DL media

Well, I posted 3 days ago on my thread, but nobody noticed. I’m ready to buy right away a BDR burner since I don’t want to wait any longer.
Just as a last confirmation I wanted to ask if there’s any great change or improvement in burn quality (technology, strategies, etc) in the new PIO208 in comparison to 207 to make worth the wait (until April release if I’m not wrong).

Also wanted to ask what media would you recommend me for BDR-DL (quality/longevity). I read that blank media targeted at video, is always better for data burns.
Anyways my eyes are on MEIT02 either x2 or x4, but I don’t know, I already posted on the scans thread asking for x2 scan comparisons. I’m open to suggestions.

I keep seeing these warnings about the crippled 207Ms that don’t allow firmware updates. That’s the only catch I’ve noticed.

Does it happen to 207EBK too?
My intention is to buy a retail one, box, software, etc

I updated firmware on my 207MBK with no issues whatsoever.

I don’t use DL media, so can’t answer that.

[QUOTE=ChristineBCW;2673485]I keep seeing these warnings about the crippled 207Ms that don’t allow firmware updates. That’s the only catch I’ve noticed.[/QUOTE]

This is the first time I see the word crippled used in conjunction to a BDR-207M drive, and I don’t think that is either accurate or fair. Where have you seen any such warnings which in the end still stood under closer scrutiny? I’m yet to see a single properly documented case of a drive which would refuse to be flashed with the correct firmware matching its kernel …

Unless proven otherwise, I therefore highly doubt that such warnings are anything more than users failing to understand that BDR-207M drives can use a variety of kernels, and that as a result they have to use the correct firmware package which matches the kernel of their drive. If they use the wrong firmware package they will get the target not found message.

For reference, here’s a list of the known BDR-207M kernels and the known models which use them:

BDR-207M(BK) : kernel GENERAL
BDR-207E(BK) : kernel ID60
BDR-207U(BK) : kernel ID60
BDR-2207     : kernel ID60
BDR-207J(BK) : kernel ID58
BDR-S07J     : kernel ID43
BDR-S07XLB   : kernel ID43

I might as well add that I have updated the firmware on my 207EBK drive without any issues whatsoever.

[QUOTE=Dogway;2673468]Also wanted to ask what media would you recommend me for BDR-DL (quality/longevity). I read that blank media targeted at video, is always better for data burns.
Anyways my eyes are on MEIT02 either x2 or x4, but I don’t know, I already posted on the scans thread asking for x2 scan comparisons. I’m open to suggestions.[/QUOTE]

I’ve had great success with TDKBLD-RFB-000, 4x Taiyo Yuden or TDK.

[QUOTE=Some Random Guy;2673589]I’ve had great success with TDKBLD-RFB-000, 4x Taiyo Yuden or TDK.[/QUOTE]
Since I don’t have a drive that do quality scans I can’t bet my money on a lucky spindle. I should bet my money on the “best brand on average”, a safe bet that is not going to fail any time.

I also searched for brochure pdf’s on the PIO drives, but didn’t see major differences on burn quality technologies. I think the big gap was between 206 and 207.

[QUOTE=Dogway;2673632]I also searched for brochure pdf’s on the PIO drives, but didn’t see major differences on burn quality technologies. I think the big gap was between 206 and 207.[/QUOTE]

With some exceptions I guess for some MIDs, there’s not really any major difference when it comes to the burn quality of 205, 206 and 207 drives on SL/DL media. The quality of the burns is pretty comparable in my experience (I tend to burn most media at its rated speed). If anything, on some BD-R media the 205 can even have a slight edge over both 206 and 207 (for example the new 6x TDK MID)…

XL aside, I think the big technological jump was made between the 203 and the 205.

@cvs: yes well, it’s mainly since I read that the 207 had a new air flow system that helps on burn stability, and such. But yes, I also saw your 205 scan tests.

I’m about to buy the drive in here, but the photo of the EBK doesn’t match with the model. Should I buy, ask or what? I couldn’t find any contact link.

About DL Media, it’s easy to find panasonic x2 on ebay, but I’m about to buy the x4 ones. Just judging from jadburners recent JVC/Panasonic x4 scan tests, which are not technically Panasonic branded, but should serve as reference for comparison, or should not?
If I was to follow katraine suggestions the x2 should be even better, BUT this time I’m talking about the original branded Panasonic x4. As a matter of fact higher rated speed media always perform better than the lower rated speed media at the same burn speed, but I want to hear opinions.

[QUOTE=Dogway;2673873]@cvs: yes well, it’s mainly since I read that the 207 had a new air flow system that helps on burn stability, and such. But yes, I also saw your 205 scan tests.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like a bunch of PR hot air to me :bigsmile:

[QUOTE=Dogway;2673873]I’m about to buy the drive in here, but the photo of the EBK doesn’t match with the model. Should I buy, ask or what? I couldn’t find any contact link.[/QUOTE]

That’s definitely the wrong photo. You’ll basically get a drive with the usual plain standard black bezel, not one with the posh bezel in the figure, which is typically used by BDR-S07 drives …

The correct picture should be this one: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pioneer-207Ebk-Bluray-Burner-Bdr-Retail/dp/B007XLQRNS/ref=pd_cp_computers_2

I guess it is pretty safe to go ahead and order it, particularly as the order is fulfilled by Amazon themselves. I’m sure you’ll get a proper 207EBK.

[QUOTE=Dogway;2673873]About DL Media, it’s easy to find panasonic x2 on ebay, but I’m about to buy the x4 ones. Just judging from jadburners recent JVC/Panasonic x4 scan tests, which are not technically Panasonic branded, but should serve as reference for comparison, or should not?
If I was to follow katraine suggestions the x2 should be even better, BUT this time I’m talking about the original branded Panasonic x4. As a matter of fact higher rated speed media always perform better than the lower rated speed media at the same burn speed, but I want to hear opinions.[/QUOTE]

I can’t say anything about those I’m afraid. The only DL media I burned was based on the 4x TDK MID. The only Panasonic media I can vouch for are the 6x BD-R (SL) ones … probably the best discs money can buy at the moment based on the outstanding scans they give.

Thanks for the insight!

@cvs: I placed the order, but now I don’t know. These guys try always to play it smart on you. I read a bit below on product description, and it says 207MBK! Moreover I read bulk! How is that possible? I expect a boxed 207EBK, and what I get is a 207MBK OEM?

I’m still in time to cancel the order and place the one you linked, it’s just that I was trying to save money, but now I might know where that came from…

Now I also found this, at least these guys have a lot in stock. What happens is that one comment talked about the retail coming with no software. I mean… Is it that difficult to find a retail 207EBK, boxed with software?

I think it is very likely you will receive an MBK from your order, or from the new link you posted. I’m a bargain shopper too, but if you see an EBK selling for far less than most sites are offering, you would do well to verify what you are getting before you place the order.

[QUOTE=Dogway;2674122] What happens is that one comment talked about the retail coming with no software. I mean… Is it that difficult to find a retail 207EBK, boxed with software?[/QUOTE]

Well, I bought a 207EBK a while back, and ‘retail’ boxed as it was, it came with no software whatsoever. It was just the drive itself in the typical blue coloured box I linked earlier and absolutely nothing else, no software disc, no screws, no SATA cable and no blank discs or any kind … from that point of view EBK or MBK would make little difference really, unless nowadays they started to add a software disc in the box…

If you can still cancel, you might as well go for the cheaper one from ebuyer, but even that one has the wrong picture displayed.

at last I found one here. The photo is right, the price is okey (VAT and shippment included) for what they deliver. I asked them and confirmed me its the retail boxed 207ebk with software. For the time being I canceled the placed order.
In the end it will cost me 93Pounds, which is a bit more than expected but at this point I know I won’t find anything cheaper matching the same product characteristics so…
Also for me EBK is important because the firmware issues, (MBK is always dragging, etc)

Just yesterday I got the drive (207M ID60) and BDR-DL media.

A few question; I need to make a test disc (for quality scans) with ImgBurn, right? in Discover mode. Do I need to setup something else? like the file format (UDF 2.5, Joliet, etc) or any other settings?
I updated the firmware to 1.30, and I downloaded the Drive Utility. Although I only got 3 options; Peak Power Reducer, Quiet Drive and Pure Read. Where is Optimal Writing Speed, DVD CLV, and Video and Audio mode options?
For quality burns should I need to turn off Quiet Mode?

Glad to hear it :clap:.

No special settings required for discovery. ImgBurn is smart enough to handle that. You don’t need to use up a disc with discovery to start to test your machine and drive. ImgBurn will create a write graph for any burns, go into settings to specify where you would like these graphs saved, and use ODC to view a graph and save a png image of it.

ImgBurn fails at burning the BDR, it stays at Synchronising Cache… endlessly and I can’t stop it in any way.
I have read a few threads but the 207EBK+MEI-T02 combination is heavily tested and trustful.

And here my graph and log;

; //****************************************\\
;   ImgBurn Version 2.5.7.0 - Log
;   jueves, 14 febrero 2013, 14:09:11
; \\****************************************//
;
;
I 13:04:42 ImgBurn Version 2.5.7.0 started!
I 13:04:42 Microsoft Windows XP Professional x64 Edition (5.2, Build 3790 : Service Pack 2)
I 13:04:42 Total Physical Memory: 4.191.596 KB  -  Available: 3.527.588 KB
I 13:04:42 Initialising SPTI...
I 13:04:42 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 13:04:42 -> Drive 1 - Info: PHILIPS DVD+-RW DVD8801 AD21 (E:) (ATA)
I 13:04:43 -> Drive 2 - Info: PIONEER BD-RW   BDR-207M 1.30 (F:) (ATAPI)
I 13:04:43 Found 1 DVD±RW and 1 BD-RE XL!
I 13:07:06 Operation Started!
I 13:07:06 Source File: C:\Skin & Rigging - Animation.iso
I 13:07:06 Source File Sectors: 12.209.504 (MODE1/2048)
I 13:07:06 Source File Size: 25.005.064.192 bytes
I 13:07:06 Source File Volume Identifier: Skin & Rigging - Animation
I 13:07:06 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 424D43DD00BA4739
I 13:07:06 Source File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.7.0 - The Ultimate Image Burner!
I 13:07:06 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
I 13:07:06 Source File File System(s): ISO9660; Joliet; UDF (2.50)
I 13:07:06 Destination Device: [0:0:0] PIONEER BD-RW   BDR-207M 1.30 (F:) (ATAPI)
I 13:07:06 Destination Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: MEI-T02-001)
I 13:07:06 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 2x; 4x; 6x; 8x; 10x
I 13:07:06 Destination Media Sectors: 12.219.392
I 13:07:06 Write Mode: BD
I 13:07:06 Write Type: DAO
I 13:07:06 Write Speed: 4x
I 13:07:06 Hardware Defect Management Active: No
I 13:07:06 BD-R Verify Not Required: Yes
I 13:07:06 Link Size: Auto
I 13:07:06 Lock Volume: Yes
I 13:07:06 Test Mode: No
I 13:07:06 OPC: No
I 13:07:06 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 13:07:07 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 17.980 KB/s (4x)
I 13:07:07 Advanced Settings - Optimal Writing Speed: No
I 13:07:07 Filling Buffer... (366 MB)
I 13:07:18 Writing LeadIn...
I 13:07:33 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 12209503)
I 13:07:33 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 12209503)
I 13:31:01 Synchronising Cache...
W 13:44:13 I/O Interface 'Debug Mode' has been Enabled!
I 13:44:13 [0:0:0] PIONEER BD-RW   BDR-207M 1.30 (F:) (ATAPI)
I 13:44:13 CDB: 51 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 00
I 13:44:13 CDB Interpretation: Read Disc Information
E 13:44:13 SENSE: 70 00 02 00 00 00 00 0E 00 00 00 00 04 07 00 00 00 00
E 13:44:13 SENSE SK Interpretation: Not Ready
E 13:44:13 SENSE ASC/ASCQ Interpretation: Logical Unit not ready, Operation in progress
I 13:44:14 [0:0:0] PIONEER BD-RW   BDR-207M 1.30 (F:) (ATAPI)
(...)
W 14:01:34 I/O Interface 'Debug Mode' has been Disabled!
I 14:05:11 Closing Track...
W 14:05:11 Close Track Failed! - Reason: No Additional Sense Information
W 14:05:42 Retrying (1)...
I 14:05:42 Finalising Disc...
E 14:05:51 Failed to Write Image!
I 14:05:51 Exporting Graph Data...
I 14:05:52 Graph Data File: C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\PIONEER_BD-RW_BDR-207M_1.30_JUEVES-14-DE-FEBRERO-DE-2013_13-07_MEI-T02-001_4x.ibg
I 14:05:52 Export Successfully Completed!
E 14:05:52 Operation Aborted! - Duration: 00:58:44
I 14:05:52 Average Write Rate: 17.355 KB/s (3.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 18.064 KB/s (4.0x)
I 14:09:10 Close Request Acknowledged
I 14:09:10 Closing Down...
I 14:09:10 Shutting down SPTI...
I 14:09:10 ImgBurn closed!


Second coaster. Now on safe mode. I wonder when I will be able to burn my first BD-R, it seems mission impossible.
I will try now burning from files directly (instead of ISO), and setting buffer to default 80Mb. Or maybe go to a bit wiser route and use Nero which never gave me problems before. Let’s see… I don’t want 4 BD-R coasters.