8x Certified, but 16x Compatible? What the hell?

vbimport

#1

Ok so I bought a tub of taiyo yuden dvd+r discs a month ago or so. When I bought it I just saw the 16x and thought cool. Only when I opened the pack I saw that it actually read 8x certified and 16x compatible. Needless to say, in none of my drives, the media is able to write any higher than 8x. What gives??!!:a


#2

Welcome to the forum :slight_smile:

In some drives, with certain settings enabled, TY 8x discs will overspeed to 16x…but I’ve never seen 8x discs actually advertised as 16x compatible on the packaging!

What brand were the discs, and when you check the MID (Manufacturer or Media ID) in something like DVDIdentifier, what does that say? Sould be YUDEN000 T02 if they’re proper 8x discs.

Finally, can you check the string of numbers/letters stamped into the dye around the hub of the disc?


#3

The Taiyo’s are from a greek importer, www.diskimpex.gr These are T02 disks as I’ve had the T03 before. On the inside of the disc I’ve got TG000041 as well as some other writing in the clear section of the disc which I can’t quite make out.


#4

w00t, got my old id back. Thought there was something funny going on. I thought my old id was shut down or something. So yeah, can’t see what would be happening here. I phoned them up and they offered to exchange them for me or something, but it’s a 50 tub and I’ve used about 10 or so. I also used to burn mostly at 8x anyway, but I’m burning a lot of discs for my family and in their case I’d rather just burn at 16x if I could. Sigh.


#5

Nero CD-DVD Speed: Disc Info
Grundlegende Informationen
Disktyp: : DVD+R
Book Type : DVD+R
Hersteller: : Unbekannt
MID : YUDEN000 T02 000 (00h)
Schreibgeschwindigkeiten: : 2.4 X - 4 X - 6 X - 8 X
Kapazität : 4.38 GB
: 4482 MB
: 4700375040 bytes
Erweiterte Informationen
Layers : 1
Schreibstrategien : 4 X
Status der Disk : leer
RAW Daten
Physical Format Information (00h)
0000 - A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F 00 00 00 00 - …&.?..
0010 - 00 00 03 59 55 44 45 4E 30 30 30 54 30 32 00 38 - …YUDEN000T02.8
0020 - 23 54 37 10 02 4E 72 02 8C 63 16 16 0B 0B 0A 0A - #T7…Nr…c…
0030 - 01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - …
0040 - 01 00 38 38 02 34 63 13 05 22 22 10 0E 12 12 01 - …88.4c…""…
0050 - 00 00 02 34 63 13 05 22 22 10 0E 12 12 01 00 00 - …4c…""…



Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:YUDEN000-T02-000]

Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD+R]
Manufacturer Name : [Taiyo Yuden Co. Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID : [YUDEN000]
Media Type ID : [T02]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4.70 GB (4.38 GiB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x-2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]

** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Media Code’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘Media Code’-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 11h (Method 1) - ADIP Information
0000 : a1 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3f 00 00 00 00 …&.?..
0010 : 00 00 03 59 55 44 45 4e 30 30 30 54 30 32 00 38 …YUDEN000T02.8
0020 : 23 54 37 10 02 4e 72 02 8c 63 16 16 0b 0b 0a 0a #T7…Nr…c…
0030 : 01 19 1b 0c 0c 0c 0d 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
0040 : 01 00 38 38 02 34 63 13 05 22 22 10 0e 12 12 01 …88.4c…""…
0050 : 00 00 02 34 63 13 05 22 22 10 0e 12 12 01 00 00 …4c…""…
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[ DVD Identifier V5.2.0 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]


#6

Yeah Yeah, I know T02 is 8X. It still baffles me as to why they wrote 16X compatible on there.


#7

Because these discs also work in 16x+ drives. Of course at the media’s rated speed which is 8x.
btw there are many users who prefer the 8x stuff over the 16x blanks.

Michael


#8

[QUOTE=gregtherotterius;2589804]w00t, got my old id back. Thought there was something funny going on. I thought my old id was shut down or something. So yeah, can’t see what would be happening here. I phoned them up and they offered to exchange them for me or something, but it’s a 50 tub and I’ve used about 10 or so. I also used to burn mostly at 8x anyway, but I’m burning a lot of discs for my family and in their case I’d rather just burn at 16x if I could. Sigh.[/QUOTE]

Haha, welcome back - thought it was you by the username :bigsmile:

From what I recall, Disk Impex sell good stuff (including Thats! ;)), so I’m not surprised they’re kosher.

First time I heard of any 8x discs with “16x compatible” on the packaging though, although others probably have. :eek:

You must have a drive (or drives) that doesn’t overspeed them - I know some drives (for example, LG) will allow an overspeed to 12x out of the box on 8x TYs, and other drives need settings tweaked for an overspeed to 16x (LiteOn, maybe others).


#9

Perhaps my pioneer dvr-112 would overspeed. I haven’t tested in that drive. I’ve tried in my other drives in my sig. It’s a shame my benq drive’s motor is sticking else I’d try that too.


#10

Yeah, IIRC my own Pioneers would do at least 12x on the T02s, although that was some time ago and senility could be creeping in. Worth a shot :iagree:

EDIT: Alright, I got curious :)…I grabbed a pack of Sony T02s I have here, and had a look to see what the drives I have in this PC would allow.

LG E10N = 12x
Optiarc AD-5170S = 16x :eek:
Sammy SH-S203N = 12x

The LG and Optiarc are using stock firmware.

So your LG will only offer 8x max then?


#11

Yes, all Diskimpex.gr Yudens have “compatible” written on the discs. 8x have up to 16x compatible, and 16x have up to 20x compatible (even on my Optiarc it goes to 24x :slight_smile: ).

You are perfectly good with 8x You got, as 16x packs are more variable in terms of disc quailty. I have only good scans with 8x batches of them, not a single coaster. Blue ones seems to be “value line” of Yudens, but only my first 50 pack was actually value line (judging by overprinted serials). All later packages had normal serial numbers.