811S Problems

Hello

I’m from Sweden so please excuse me if my English is hard to understand :wink:

A few days ago i got my Liteon 811S and succesfully recorded a few dvd’s(at 8x) and was happy(used Ricoh dvd+r). But then it started to burn coasters and only a few of the discs I tried to record were succesfull(Philips dvd+r and verbatim dvd+r). I never got any errors in the recording programs though(Nero 6 and later Sonic Recordnow, same problem). But my Xbox couldn’t read the discs and neither could my Sony computer DVD or the liteon-recorder.

I have probably recorded about 10 coasters right now and it’s quite boring to waste expensive discs like that. The recorder has the latest official firmware, I use mostly Recordnow Max but I have the same problem with Nero. My Xbox has the Thomson Dvd unit and it does read some of the discs perfectly so I doubt this is a media issue. I have formatted my computer(used 2k earlier) and installed xp but the same problems here.

So my big problem is that the Xbox can’t read some of the discs properly, neither can the dvd units in my computer. I basically always get perfect results when I burn a image from the hard-drive. But when I try to copy a disc like that it doesn’t work in the xbox (did that yesterday and I thought it worked fine but halfway into the film it crashed, tried some others too but they didn’t even start) .Neither does a data-dvd with for ex. mpeg-files work good in the xbox(do have a modchip).

Does anyone have any ideas? It’s hard for me to know if it’s the computer that is causing these problems or if it’s the Liteon recorder itself.

How is your hardware configured? Is the Liteon the Master of the secondary IDE channel? Any other devices on this channel?

The Liteon is secondary Master, my Sony Dvd is secondary slave.

Make sure you are using a decent 80 pin IDE cable, not the old 40 pin ones.

Tjenis :slight_smile:
What discs failed? You should go read this thread and download K-Probe to scan your coasters and lookup media manufacturer. Often solution is to lower the write speed, Xbox’es can be rather picky. Your LiteOn should read the discs though, you probably have very messed up discs if that one doesn’t work.
God jul!

Originally posted by Ssseth
Make sure you are using a decent 80 pin IDE cable, not the old 40 pin ones.

Using a 80 pin IDE cable is not compulsory, since the best you can do with the Lite-On is Ultra-DMA 2 (which doesn’t require 80 pins)…

But sometimes it helps ! :bigsmile:

Originally posted by Airhead
Tjenis :slight_smile:
What discs failed? You should go read this thread and download K-Probe to scan your coasters and lookup media manufacturer. Often solution is to lower the write speed, Xbox’es can be rather picky. Your LiteOn should read the discs though, you probably have very messed up discs if that one doesn’t work.
God jul!

Hejsan :cool:

Philips and Verbatim were the ones that failed. Haven’t recorded that many ricoh discs so I think there might be a problem with them too.

I scanned one of the coasters

http://www27.brinkster.com/lemansblue/coaster.JPG (you probably need to put in an extra space after jpg)

God jul :slight_smile:

Edit: Another one http://www27.brinkster.com/lemansblue/coaster2.JPG

Wow thats a really strange graph you got there, instantly it jumps up to 200 PO (PI score seems chopped off). Also K-Probe isn’t working for you, PI/PO max does not = 0…

Cause of the sudden jump I think your drive is muffled, I would RMA it. Doing a scan of some Ricoh that works wouldn’t hurt though…

Originally posted by Airhead
[B]Wow thats a really strange graph you got there, instantly it jumps up to 200 PO (PI score seems chopped off). Also K-Probe isn’t working for you, PI/PO max does not = 0…

Cause of the sudden jump I think your drive is muffled, I would RMA it. Doing a scan of some Ricoh that works wouldn’t hurt though… [/B]

Here is a scan of a Ricoh disc

http://www27.brinkster.com/lemansblue/ricoh.JPG

What does RMA mean?

Hmm that doesn’t look so bad… Now I’m :confused:
The Mitsubishi discs isn’t scratched or damaged in any way?

RMA is to send it back to the manufacturer to get a replacement.

http://www27.brinkster.com/lemansblue/New%20Coaster.JPG

My latest coaster :frowning:

Recorded from a image on the hard-drive.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the discs.

Originally posted by Viggen
[B]http://www27.brinkster.com/lemansblue/New%20Coaster.JPG

My latest coaster :frowning:

Recorded from a image on the hard-drive.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the discs. [/B]

y don’t u just do a simulation first before burning? this will save some disc…

how about try reducing the burning speed to 4 or even 2x.

there is a tab in Nero for ‘X-box compatibility’, did u check it before burning?

if burning, pure data to the DVD, try to use UDF file system instead of ISO and see if it helps …

I tried to use test in Recordnow Max but it says that I can’t use that function with that unit.

Don’t have nero installed anymore…

Originally posted by Viggen
[B]I tried to use test in Recordnow Max but it says that I can’t use that function with that unit.

Don’t have nero installed anymore… [/B]

That’s strange … I can do a test burn with Recordnow Max …

Howdy!

I am not a KProbe specialist but as far as I can see from your screenshots, the error rate increases after a while and is quite good at the beginning of the disc.

When you burn @8x speed, the drive begins to burn @4x, then increases to 6x and after that to 8x. Maybe your disc becomes faulty when the drive increases the writing speed (because at the beginning, when it burns @4x, the error rate seems to be normal).

So I highly recommend to reduce the burning speed to 4x or even slower and then do another Kprobe scan. Note that the discs which you use do NOT support 8x recording speed officially, so LiteOn might not accept your reclamation if it works @4x.

Hello

Yes I was thinking of that too as it begins to burn at 4x then 6x and I think at those places where the error rate increases it switches to 8x.

I have never recorded a coaster with my dvd rw at 4x though? So maybe that’s the problem.

I’ll buy some verbatim 8x media this week probably.

Edit: got a verification error now when I recorded the same image as my previous coaster on my dvd+rw (4x) but it still worked in the xbox :confused:

Here is the graph, but it actually seems like it recorded faster than 4x(more like 6x)

http://www27.brinkster.com/lemansblue/DVD+RW.JPG

Hm, as I said, I’m not a KProbe expert, but the result seems acceptable.

It is really the best to test how real 8x media perform.

What recording program should I use? Recordnow Max doesn’t seem to work properly, I can’t use the test disc function and I can’t set the recording speed, it burns at max speed even if I set it to min.

It must be able to burn .img-files.

I use Nero and have not encountered any problems yet.

If you want to record .img files, you can use DVD Decrypter. You can download it at www.dvddecrypter.com

Unfortunately, I do not know if the burner is supported already.

You can burn .img files in cloneDVD too.