Yeah, figured someone would disagree. Anyway, I mean the CD-R media, not the DVD-R, as well as the fact I noted that the media quality isn't the best to begin with. It's just better than the other shit (Princo, Prodisc). Ritek's hit or miss, but if you're not putting important shit on them, 7 bucks for 50. I have Ritek backups that work fine after years, but then again the quality can be dodgy. I normally avoid them, but haven't had bad luck with them yet. Keep in mind, this media's a bottom of the line, last resort for me. As far as cheap alternatives: I wouldn't wipe my ass with Prodisc or Princo. TY's been my preferred media for years, so take this as you will.