4x, 8x, 16x DVD and Next Generation Writers (such as HD-DVD)

Has anyone tried the Build 3683 Longhorn Alpha version released in September for Mt. Rainier? I haven’t heard of any announcement or even rumor indicating Mt. Rainier support. Also, no sign yet whether future Windows XP service packs will have built-in Mt. Rainier support.

OS support of Mt. Rainier in 4x DVD+RW drives will be much better than 24x Mt. Rainier CD-RW with InCD which is available now though there are so few 24x-rated CD-RW media yet. 4x DVD+RW is at least 15% faster than 32x CD-RW.

Longhorn is the codename of Micrsoft’s next major upgrade version of Windows operating system software. You can find more about Longhorn here. It’s expected to arrive in as early as 2003 and as late as 2005. There might or might not be Windows XP Second Edition.

I’ve tried a beta of Longhorn at home with my Lite-On 48X, no indication of Mt Ranier. We still have to use a 3rd party proggy for burning, and Nero 5599 works okay in there.
Anyone else have a copy of Longhorn, and trying it out?

A Press Release article from DVD Forum.



Tokyo, Nov, 27, 2002 – DVD Forum today reported the status of its consideration of optical disc formats utilizing blue laser diodes and released the following statement.

In June 2002, the Steering Committee of the DVD Forum formed two Subgroups of the Forum’s standing Working Group 11 “to study and promote the best technical approach based on” 0.6mm and 0.1mm technologies respectively for blue laser optical disc applications. At the same time, the Steering Committee also formed a Subcommittee to work with the Blu-ray Disc Founders toward reaching an agreement to work together on a common format. The first of the two Subgroups was formed in June, and is now studying 0.6mm technology. To date, no 0.1mm technology has been proposed to the DVD Forum. The DVD Forum has so far made no decision to adopt or reject any proposed format (either 0.1mm or 0.6mm) for blue laser optical disc applications.

Founded in 1997, the DVD Forum is a voluntary association of more than 200 companies worldwide from the consumer electronics, information technology and entertainment industries with a common interest in DVD hardware and software.

The purposes of the Forum, as stated in the Forum’s Charter, are (1) to establish the single DVD Format for each of the DVD application products, including revisions, improvements and enhancements, that would be in the best interests of consumers and users, and (2) to encourage the broad acceptance of DVD Formats on a worldwide basis among members of the Forum, related industries and the public. Further information regarding the Forum and its activities may be found at www.dvdforum.org.

Press Contact:
DVD Forum Secretariat
Shiba Shimizu Bldg. 5F
2-3-11, Shibadaimon,
Minato-ku, Tokyo 105-0012, Japan
TEL: +81-3-5777-2881
FAX: +81-3-5777-2882

More on Longhorn, the next major Windows release.


More direct link: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/97709_longhorn29.shtml

Windows XP has been on the market for a year now, so naturally everyone is clamoring for details on the next version of the world’s most popular operating system – or so Microsoft Corp. hopes.

Details are dribbling out, but Microsoft won’t say a word on the record, declining to comment for this story. Analysts and software developers haven’t been briefed, either.

But here’s what has leaked out so far.

The next version of the world’s most popular desktop operating system, code-named “Longhorn,” is due out in test form next year and in final form in 2004. It will have a new look and feel, very different from Windows XP’s. Its guts will also be radically different from Windows XP’s, because they’re based on XML – extensible markup language, the emerging lingua franca of the Internet. And it will be the first version that won’t function fully without new hardware.

“With the possible exception of Windows NT, which was a change from the ground up, this could be the biggest change ever” to Windows, said Giga analyst Rob Enderle.

Observers believe that Longhorn will:

More here. :slight_smile:

Read the story here: http://www.cdfreaks.com/news2.php3?ID=5250

According to the Philips press release, Philips will transfer its optical storage part to Taiwan and this has much to do with the Philips leadership and profitability in the future DVD+RW recordable market. Pioneer, Ricoh, LG, and Samsung all have recently moved their major production facilities to China.

Quote from the news link - http://www.philips.com/InformationCenter/Global/FPressRelease.asp?lArticleId=2437&lNodeId=13

December 3, 2002

Philips announces plan to strengthen optical storage activities

Restructuring expected to restore Philips Optical Storage to profitability within two quarters

Amsterdam, the Netherlands – December 3, 2002 – Royal Philips Electronics (AEX: PHI, NYSE:PHG) today disclosed its plans for the restructuring of its Optical Storage business, and confirmed its expectation that the business’ losses will be eliminated within two quarters.

Philips announced in October that following the dissolution of the Components division, a comprehensive restructuring plan would be carried out to bring Philips Optical Storage (POS) back to profitability. Philips Optical Storage was responsible for more than half of the losses, excluding special charges, of the entire Components division, with its data storage line the main source of the problems as a result of intense competition and a weak PC market.

The major part of the restructuring will see the PC related (Data) business line concentrated in Taiwan. Approximately 390 employees in Hasselt, Belgium, will be affected by the move, approximately 45 of who will be offered positions at other sites within POS. The present POS group in Eindhoven will be strengthened to concentrate on the pre-development activities of the POS business. Workers councils and union representatives have been informed and Philips will provide all possible support in assisting affected employees to find other employment within or outside the company.

The Taiwanese relocation will allow Philips to focus on its DVD+RW development activities and further cooperation with local and regional partners. Philips will use its strengths in research and development to continue its leadership in new product innovation and establishing standards. Manufacturing will increasingly be done through partnerships. The turnaround of POS Data will be achieved by eliminating unprofitable product lines based on more mature technologies, focusing on DVD+RW where margins are profitable and improving as the standard becomes established, and at the same time significantly reducing fixed costs.

“We have found a course of action for Philips Optical Storage which will both put a stop to the losses on our stated time frame of two quarters, and allows the business to concentrate on the areas where it can add the most value - innovating and defining and establishing new standards for data storage,” commented Arthur van der Poel, Executive Vice President and member of Philips’ Board of Management. “This focus will ensure the maximum synergies with related businesses in Philips, leaving manufacturing and certain other activities to our partners, with key competences in these areas. As we have said, a successful turnaround for POS will provide the basis to bring the former Components businesses back into the black for the full year 2003.”

By strengthening its position in DVD+RW applications and new or emerging standards, Philips will remain a leading player in the OEM and aftermarket optical storage industry with a solid basis for sustained profitability. Geographically, the innovation and long-term development will take place in Europe while the ongoing Data business operations will be centered in Asia. Philips will establish its business headquarters for the PC related Optical Storage business in Taiwan in the course of 2003.

Besides the Data business, the consumer and automotive business lines of Philips Optical Storage are profitable and developing according to plan. The consumer line is a leader in the audio/video market and supplies drives for applications including DVD Recorders (based on the DVD+RW standard) and games consoles.

Instead of creating another thread, I’ll add this here this time.


The Japanese IO Data has also announced the release of 4x DVD+R drives. For more information, click the above news link.



4x DVD+R write
2.4x DVD+RW write
12 DVD-ROM read
16x CD-R write
10x CD-RW write
40x CD-ROM read
32x CD-RW read
5x DVD+R/-R/+RW/-RW read


There are Dell PC offering NEC ND-1100A already?

Yes at least Dell US, but as I wrote in the VCDhelp thread the model numbers are really a mess…

Thanks! I was browsing the Dell site but couldn’t find it yet. :slight_smile:

It says: 4X DVD+RW/+R with CD-RW Drive really.

But the Write Speed (max) says:

16X CD-R

Buffalo DVD±R/RW drive DVM-4222FB from Melcoinc of Japan.



Buffalo DVM-4222IU2 USB 2.0 and IEEE 1394 external drive:


EE Times has a new article on the development of holographic storage technologies here.

New deals boost developments in holographic storage
By Margaret Quan, EE Times
Dec 6, 2002 (8:19 AM)
URL: http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20021206S0020
MANHASSET, N.Y. — Two startup companies developing holographic media and data storage technology have reported boosts they say will help them push the emerging technology forward.

Aprilis is shipping samples of a pilot version of its proprietary write-once, read-many (WORM) holographic storage media, Berg said. Released in November, the WORM drive supports a storage capacity of 200 Gbytes and a data transfer rate of 100 Mbytes/second in a CD/DVD form factor. The disks have been shipped to 15 customers including Sony, Pioneer, Panasonic and Samsung, Berg said, and Aprilis expects to ramp production to 25,000 holographic disks by the end of 2003. The company produced revenue from the samples totaling roughly $1 million this year.

grrrrrrrrrrr I want an NEC DVD±RW rather than the song, how long till its out in the UK. i want it now.

lol any ideas anyone


The thread title edited by Moderator Kenshin.

Late December according to NEC but you will probably have to wait until mid January before you’ll be able to buy it.


DVDplusRW has updated information in its list of next generation DVD+R/+RW drives models overview. It now includes 4x DVD+R writers from two Taiwanese manufacturers, BenQ and MSI, and one Japanese manufacturer, IO Data. The BenQ 4212DW has specification of 16x CD-R write, 10x CD-RW HighSpeed write, 4.0x DVD+R write, 2.4x DVD+RW write, 40x CD-R and CD-RW read, 12x DVD read, 2MB buffer memory, and Mt. Rainier!


This #60041 thread is being merged with thread #58001.

There are some more pictures of the IO Data writer here.

IO data does not do much to hide that it is a NEC drive :slight_smile: But I can’t understand why NEC named both the DVD+R/RW and the DVD±R/RW version ND-1100A in Japan and as OEM cause it will obviously confuse a lot of people. Well, except for the retail version in Europe where the DVD+R/RW version is named ND-1090A…

There might be a third DVD-R/RW version of the ND-1100A too according to Roxio’s supported drive list. But probably only as an OEM drive if it will be released at all, there is at least no official info about this version from NEC yet.

I was too lazy not to have noticed this before myself. :slight_smile:

Only for a little over 25,000 Yen. It’s cheaper than Pioneer DVR-A05 and any of its OEM drives.

(in Japanese text. See the above link in jsl’s post to read the English translation by BabelFish.)

Anyone here who understands Japanese or what this article is about? From the Babelfish translation I get the impression that Sanyo has developed a chipset for 5x DVD±R/RW recording?!?
Sounds kind of strange if that is the case since there is no standard for 5x recording (AFAIK) and I doubt there will be any.

I think it is really about 5x DVD±R/RW writing speed.