4K Blu-ray Format Confirmed

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#2

And again a forced reason to buy a new BD-Player (with Cinavia inside)?


#3

[QUOTE=DVDranger;2736337]And again a forced reason to buy a new BD-Player (with Cinavia inside)?[/QUOTE]

If one uses their common sense…just buy regular DVD and avoid Cinavia all together.


#4

Also be aware that this “new format” will include all new DRM.


#5

And of course you will need a new HT Amp for this 4K format as well…


#6

I’m still not convinced 4k is going to take off. You still need people to make a shift from an average of 50" TV’s to 80" TV’s to benefit. I don’t think a lot of people have room for 80 inch TV’s.

1080p caught on because HD was riding in the wake of a transition from smaller tube TV’s to larger lcd/plasma TVs. There’s no real TV transition for 4k to ride on.

The improvment in picture quality is neglible on 50 or 60" HDTV’s (unless your sitting within feet of the screen). I think this will be a niche product for home theatre enthusiasts…


#7

In deference to Zod; 4K is here to stay and it’s here with a vengence!
4K content is truly stunning and even our pitiful 720p Cable is much improved on the new 4K sets regardless of size. One of my suppliers just brought to market a 49" model that has already sold out initial production, which is a shame as I wanted one myself. It takes on average 5 minutes for a customer looking for something other than Chain Store Junk to ask me how fast I can deliver a new 4K set.
Heard the same grumblings about neglidgeable difference i picture quality when HD first appeared.
Put a decent 720p source on a 720p, 1080p and 4K TVs side by side and only the most myopic can’t see a difference. Watch Golf, on a 720p the grass is green, on a 1080p you can see blades of grass, on a 4K you can count blades of grass.
It’s annoying that the manufacturers have dragged their feet on a new disk format for so long. Streaming 4k just doesn’t work! ISP’s throttling policies just won’t allow uninterupted data flow at high enough speed.
I also have this archaic desire to actually Posess Physical Media.


#9

Yeah, definitely BDXL… just another reason to extend horrile DRM and require customers to buy new equipment. The only reason I support that is for the piracy… once sorce material is at MUCH higher bit/resolution range… the re-encoded files will have higher quailty… it just goes when you have higher quality IN… you get higher quality out… on the compression.

In other words… maybe they can offer 1080p video at comparable 720p or 480p bit rates when you input at 4k source… maybe I’m overstating the possible benefits, but I’m speculating that would happen to some extent. h265 & mkv will be able to scale 4k & it’s higher than 1080p variants as well as downsample for the rest of us who dont’ plan on buying a new set/screen until their paycheck rise quite alot.


#10

Well I got a nice HD DVD player when they had almost lost the war and were dumping players for almost nothing after getting a CRT Toshiba 34HFX84 HDTV in 2005. Then I realized HD DVD was dead so I got a nice demo first gen Panasonic BluRay player for 160 from Circuit city and my HD playback system was complete. The Panny still works perfectly to this day, just loads newer movies painfully slowly and will never recognize Cinivias, last update was in 2008.
I WANT a 4K TV now that prices have come down to something approaching cheap, especially for the Chinese ones, though most aren’t as nice as the major label ones if you can accept their flaws its a dirt cheap way to go.
I have a nice Sony 42" LED set now that I’m perfectly happy with the picture quality considering how nice but small that Toshiba was, which we still use in a bedroom. I hope we never have to move it again though:rolleyes:
Those on the cutting edge bleed a lot, and tend to pay through the nose too so it’s just part of the game.
Once they get content up and running and TV and cable TV service support it it should take over but we’ll see how long that takes.
Now if I can ever afford a O-LED 4K set life would be good and I’ll just have to upgrade as finances and deals allow, which may be a while they way things are going:sad:


#11

Be aware that most of the “cheap” 4K displays have horrible quality video processing, and often look worse when fed a 4K stream. The VP electronics have a long way to go to catch up with the 4K panels. Some of the 4K panels themselves are pretty bad, and offer poor black levels and color processing. Most people will prefer the image on a good quality 1080p panel over what’s seen on a “cheap 4K” display. Buyer beware.


#12

Yep read that most are pretty bad, as far as Chinese ones go. Most seem to use them as PC displays. The Sony, LG, and Samsung ones are supposed to be pretty outstanding looking and even upscale 1080p nicely.
Haven’t been able to see any of them yet and no money for the upgrade anyways but the dirt cheap Chinese ones did force the big boys to radically lower their prices otherwise nobody would buy their sets, even if they are much better quality.
AVS forum is a great place to get real user reviews and things if anyone can afford a set now so you don’t get something you can’t stand later:doh:


#13

With the price of 4k display and the extra player that can play 4k and wiring all that cost makes going 4k a costly endeavor. I don’t use like 50" display I got a 24" and that is connected to my BD player and cough VCR. And that alone is more then enough entertainment for me and I didn’t even spend that much to get a enjoyable viewing pleasure. If one wants constant details sure 4k go for it but I rather watch a movie for the pleasure of watching a movie.


#14

“Put a decent 720p source on a 720p, 1080p and 4K TVs side by side and only the most myopic can’t see a difference.”

There’s more to it than that. Sitting about 6ft away you need a tv around 40" to start seeing a difference between 720p and 1080p. Thus in your example of course 720p upconverted to 1080p on a 49 inch screen would look better.

4k is different. Yes if your standing in a store selling TV’s you could see some quality difference on a 60" when standing 2ft away from it. At home when you’re 6ft away from it… not so much. The quality difference is minimal on smaller TV’s (unless you sit close).

I don’t think that’s going to move the masses to widespread adoption. I could see gradual adoption. As the tech gets cheaper they’ll build it into all TV’s. Will 4k content take off… will people think a 4k bluray looks so much better on a 55" TV that they’ll replace blurays?

The 1080p change was different. It came hand in hand with a mass technology upgrade from tube tv’s to bigger widescreen lcd’s/plasmas.

For 4k to take off I think you need a similar mass upgrade to larger TV’s. Enthusiasts (like yourself) will love it, but the masses… I’m not so sure. I could be a gradual upgrade over time, but I don’t see it being a quick changover like the HD generation. It might end up like 3d… by the time it gets momentum something bigger and better might takeover.


#15

4K TV and 4K PC displays may allow 4K video playback. Be aware of the price and cost. Also 4K video may take larger space. Perhaps 50 GB is not enough, but they will use the H.265 (HEVC) to make the 4K movie smaller to fit the 50GB disc. Currently, we can see many video converter software in the field support H.265 output. Some player software like Power DVD have already added support for 4K video playback.


#16

[QUOTE=Zod;2736414]I’m still not convinced 4k is going to take off…[/QUOTE]

I firmly held this opinion for quite some time until a couple of weeks ago. I was in Best Buy with my wife buying a refrigerator and once the decision was made on what we were buying I left her to handle the payment while I went off to look at the TV section. I came across an LG 4k TV and was quite impressed with the resolution and picture quality with 4k content. It also made standard HD look more refined. The real test occurred when my wife hunted me down and I asked her what she thought of this TV. Keep in mind that she cares nothing about electronics and I did not tell her this was a 4k TV. She was blown away with the picture quality. Said it was like looking out of a window at the scenery.

My point is that if we were both equally impressed then this whole move to 4k might happen sooner than expected. If the content is available then I would seriously consider getting a 4k TV. Also, the price of the TV I viewed was pretty reasonable. I am a slow adopter on most new tech but this has definitely got my interest after seeing a 4k TV in person.

What has me really excited about 4k TV taking off is that affordable 4k computer monitors should become available.


#17

Not sure if anyone cares about my opinion, but I’m giving it anyway.

I was in Future Shop over the weekend with my son and decided to go take a gander at the newest 4k sets. I saw last year’s crop a few months ago when there was just Samsung and Sony, but now they had LG as well. What a beautiful picture. Just jaw-droppingly beautiful, like looking out a window. There a highly-rated LG 55" 4K on sale right now for $1780. I’m looking for something around 65", but still that’s a damn good deal.

Not only is the picture sharper but the colour is better. It will take porn watching to a hole new level (<- see what I did there?).

All joking aside, we are now approaching the resolution of film itself. Doesn’t that blow your mind? Watching a movie with the quality meant for a movie theatre on a screen less than 100 inches diagonal !! If that doesn’t get your gadget geek on then you need to turn in your man card right away.

My wife freaked on me when I told her about 4k. “We’re not buying all our movies again”. LOL. She’s calmed down now. All I know is, come Christmas 2015, I will be shopping for a 65" 4k TV, 4k Blu-ray player, and a 4k copy of “The Fifth Element”.

Shut up and take my money !!!


#18

[QUOTE=olddancer;2736434]I also have this archaic desire to actually Posess Physical Media.[/QUOTE]

Ditto.


#19

I was reading an article today from thedigital bits, and the author explained fairly well why I don’t think 4k will catch on the masses. I think this author articulated it well. Here’s an exerpt:

Then there’s consumer interest in 4K. I just don’t see it. Many enthusiasts are excited for 4K, but even in the various enthusiast discussion forums online you see ongoing debates about the value of 4K in the home given typical viewing distances and the consumer viewing environment, etc. Sales of new 4K TV sets have been less than inspiring. Many consumers have only just recently upgraded to HD and regular Blu-ray. Judging by the number of people who continue to ask us questions about DVD releases, many of them still haven’t done so. And we tend to forget that American consumers lived with 4x3 NTSC analog television for fifty years – not because there weren’t better alternatives available but because it was simply good enough for most consumers. I suspect that digital streaming content in 1080p will be good enough for most people. There are many enthusiasts, myself included, who are excited about the idea of watching movies at home in 4K, but it’s probably at best a niche market. In other words, it’s a new laserdisc market. And there’s nothing wrong with that. Except I just don’t see that the major Hollywood studios are all that interested in catering to a niche market.


#20

There’s a difference nowadays to the “THEN” time period… when (nowadays) technologies develop in PARALLEL such as broadband, digital compression, and RF bandwidth efficiencies… they can over the span of years enable layered improvements in the quality of video / audio. Hopefully the transition will be seamless and beneficial to all… but these transitions can meet with opposition. I just think it’s overstated a bit. HDTV was a niche market as well for a while, until the prices came down… the same with dvd. Blu Ray was the controversial technology because of a format war. 4k will likely see a dual standard such as 2k(ish) along with the 4k progressive resolution. Much NEW content is ALREADY being authored in 4k camera technology… it just needs a critical mass to demand the more expensive tech. Then consumers will demand and pay the higher prices for equipment and services. It’s just a natural evolution… that will take longer because of the bad economy.


#21

Early adopters pay premium prices on new tech and that will always be the case. I’m betting 2016 is the year 4k really starts to reach the majority of consumers. If you can get a 55 inch LG 4k TV now for $1800 then I’m betting you can get that same TV for $800 in 2016. I have no doubt that the future of 4k is rock solid and, as a videophile, I’m really excited about it.