2 failed burns! 811s leadout

Dam, after many successfull burns on my 811S I have just gotten 2 failed burns back to back following same procedure that I have been using all along. No changes in hardware software or updates.
As matter of fact the computer has been running for days. So I rebooted to no effect.
Also defragmented between the 2 tries.

I am using XP and DVDShrink3.1. I have the option to burn(Nero) enabled in Shrink so that it does so automatically.
The burn failed at Leadout in both cases.
I did notice that the file size read 4466 instead if 4464 as I noticed is normal. I had no error given as to file size so I dont know if this was problem or not

I finally got it working again by disabling the autoburn option in Shrink and then using Nero Separately.

Any comments on this senario?


I am having very good luck with HSOK I see you’re still using HSOE. there is also a possibility that the media was just bad , i got problem in lead out with RICOHJPN ,media that a 25 in line 0000: of the media ID string but when i used media from the same box that had a 24 it worked fine this disk was the only one with 25 in box of 5 and i have gotten a number of boxes and never seen a 25 again.

Not to labor a point but I have been having great burns(according to Kprobe) with HSOE. Both my players play the disks flwalessly. So I see no need to update firmware.

However, I do see that as an otion should I have this issue continue. I am going to explore the “Burn Separately” route with Nero and see how that works out.

I am not understanding what u mean by the “25” this is on the media itself or in a software pakage that examines the surface?

Very new at the DVD burning and Especially “media”

thanks for your prompt reply

Dammit , now I am getting pissed!

Thrid one just failed! All of a sudden I am having no luck with the ridata G04 stuff.
The one I got to burn was a TDK.
I guess I will try the new firmware.

will inform as to progress!!

All media has an ID track its what the firmware in your drive reads to decide what to do with it. on the line 0000: there was 25 on problem disk I had others have reported the same thing.

notice on this id track there is 26 this disk burns ok at 8x on 811s

Disk taken from random 10 pack of TDK DVD+R 4x media

0000 : a1 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3f 00 00 00 00 …&.?..
0010 : 00 00 01 52 49 43 4f 48 4a 50 4e 52 30 31 02 38 …RICOHJPNR01.8
0020 : 23 54 37 09 00 3c 67 00 ac 62 16 18 0b 0b 0a 0b #T7…<g…b…
0030 : 01 19 1b 0b 0b 0e 0f 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
0040 : 01 00 38 38 00 32 5e 20 0a 22 22 10 0e 12 12 01 …88.2^ .""…
0050 : 00 00 00 32 5e 20 0a 22 22 10 0e 12 12 01 00 00 …2^ .""…
0060 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
0070 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
0080 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
0090 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00a0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00b0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00c0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00d0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00e0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00f0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …

What software gives u this data?


Man I 'm fed up with this Sh*t!

After upgrading to the HS0k it burns but the last part of disc is unplayable. This is the Third Liteon drive I’ve had. First one quit after a week,wouldnt burn anything. Second one was doa.
Now this one after a month is crapping out.
I knew I should have stayed with Plextor.

Damm Damm damm !!!

I guess I been lucky im not even using the real 811s this is 401@811 using mk4 patcher and HSOK all my disks have worked on everything I have tried them on.

WinXP Pro SP1 / intel D845BGL / P4_2.4a 512k L2 Northwood
1GB DDR / Maxtor 20GB HDD / ATI Radeon 9600 128mb / Audigy2
Sony DRU-510a/liteon ldw-401s@811s

After using the HSOK FW I now have errors on the end of disk of over 1200 PI and 300 PO (Kprobe)

Skips in my player, basically useless for me now.

I just burned a movie on my new fresh pack of Ridata G04 and have the same problem on my LiteOn 811s using firmware HSOK at 4x. I burn the same movie with the NEC2500 and Pioneer A06 and have amazimg results. The liteon is a POS in my opinnion, i have WASTED soo much media just finding out what works with it and what doesn’t. I now will use it to only do Kprobe scans :stuck_out_tongue:


I actually bought the lite0n 401s to replace a bad samsung cdrw drive. So the 401@811 mod was great for me, and I really paid very little for drive as it was on sale at walmart with the rebate it was about $75.00 USD €60.14 and my brother had given me gift card for xmas for walmart so all and all i only paid $25.00 USD for it, thats €20.05 for all our friends in Europe :slight_smile:

Well I “fixed” my problem! After having this drive for 10 days and using it for about five of those days I conclude that I wore it out!!

So I turned it back in for a Plextor 708A
My first burn is a success, and I have several backups to make.
Too bad Kprobe dont work with Plextor!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by old&slow
[B]Well I “fixed” my problem! After having this drive for 10 days and using it for about five of those days I conclude that I wore it out!!


The Liteon burners are P.O.S.'s. Trust me i have burned about 100 DVD+r and - on my 811s with Problems. I have placed the drive on 4 different computers and still had problems. This is after 3 weeks of playing, tweaking,burning, and upgrading firware. Heck i even went to circuit city to buy the 411s for $100.00 after rebates and i concluded the same thing its still a P.O.S. I now have a new NEC2500 and this thing burns better than my Pioneer A06.

I received some RITEKG04’s from Newgg on friday and today decided to burn the same movie on the Pioneer A06, NEC2500, and last but not least my 811s and the Liteon at the end of the DVD had burned ALOT of errors. Now the Pioneer and the NEC made outstanding burns. I wish Liteon would get this firware stuff straightened out VERY soon, becuase as they stand now they SUCK :(.


Im on the same wagon, I too get unreadable errors at the end of my burns… And I experienced the same lead-out crash others have been experiencing…

I agree, LiteOn rushed into the DVDRW market and released some POS drives… Hell, Im going to get the Pioneer A07 soon cause Im fed up with this sh!t…

This has been working for me lately with the HS0K firmware…

  1. MS IDE Drivers (No nForce2)
  2. DVDShrink 3.1.4 using Nero to burn (without opening Nero seperately but using DVDShrink’s interface to burn)
  3. Seperate DVD-ROM for reading
  4. If you have multiple HD’s place your image on the fastest one
  5. Burn everything at 4x and if the quality is bad reduce the burn speed even if the media is rated higher

Using the DVDShrink interface to read, encode and burn elimated the lead-out crashes. Using a seperate DVD-ROM for reading the media reduced the errors that ocurred on burnt media… For some reason, i think the heat buildup whie reading media then burning produces those errors so you should let your drive cool off a little before burning… I burn at 4x even though the media can handle 8x…

And about LiteOn customer service… They told me to send them media (RICOHJPNR01) so they can try to imitate the problem in their labs… Id figure as big of an optical company as they are, they could get their hands on one of the most popular manufactured media available today themselves…

Hope this helps…

In my opinion it’s not the drive (811s) that’s bad but it’s the drive’s compatibility with some media.
I’ve written TDK (-R) with 100% succes, not 1 single error.
Also MMore (-R) has 100% perfect results.
Then I tried PrimeDisk (-R) and not a single disc was error-free.
I also used Sentinel (-R), it was a 25 spindle pack. The first 15 disks were error-free, but the bottom 10 screwed up everything.

A friend of mine had a Verbatim (-R) 50 spindle pack and guess what…, the 10 bottom disks didn’t write error-free.

DVDs are very sensitive, much more than CD-R.

It must be said: the drive works much better with +R media. But it also works fine with quality -R media. In any way +R is superior to -R.

I just write a lot of -R because it’s hard to find +R media around here, for whatever reason, I don’t know.

So don’t give up on the drive just yet, there is hope after all. Try out the MMore -R disks, they have a superb quality and are affordable.

If its the media, then everyone would have the same problems… Yea media can play a part in producing errors during burning but I dont think it should crash during the lead-out… I have to go half and half on blaming the media…

So far, using the 5 steps I mentioned above I have yet to crash during the lead-out and my burns are mostly error free… Better results than what I was having before…

Id be very surprised if it didnt help…

When it comes to the lead-out crashes, I fully agree with you, it’s not only due to the media.
But I don’t have those crashes, every burn is OK,… only with some media the files that are written are corrupt and that’s where I blame the media.
It to much of a coincidence that with soms media the results are perfect every single time and with other media not a single disc can be written correctly.

It takes some time to find the right media, but now that I found it I’m very happy with my Lite-On.

But of course we enjoy testing ;-), something most people don’t like to do. Most people want to put in a disc, write, and have a perfect result every single time no matter what the media is… maybe these people are better of with another brand. (allthough I think every burner has it’s flaws)

The media I was using(ridata G04) was working fine for at least 12 burns. Then the next 6 screw up? I don t blame media!
The next one in the pile I used Plextor and no problems.

I only wish I could get an error checking scheme to work on Plextor drive!

It could still be the media. I wrote 10 DVD-R Sentinel perfectly, than I screwed up 7 (with the exact same way of burning) I have some left and my friend burned them with his pioneer writer and they are fine.
So maybe the lite-on is just very sensitive with this media and when the media is perfect, the lite-on writes perfectly, but when the media is only 99.9% the lite-on has a lot of problems with it.
But another writer (like that pioneer) has no problems with 99.9% good dvds…
It’s a possible.
Anyway, I prefer DVD+R. I read an article about the difference in media and the way DVD+R is created is much better and error-resistant than DVD-R. That’s the reason DVD-R (max 4x) can’t keep up in speed with DVD+R (max 8x). And in the near future the gap will become even bigger.

But in the end… a bad disc is never a pleasure. I know the feeling, I hate it when a disc comes out and turns out to be unreadable. Sometimes I think I haven’t waited long enough to buy a dvd recorder. But than again when is the time right? :slight_smile: