DVDInfoPro V4.50 now supports the 716A
| Plextor Writer Discuss, DVDInfoPro V4.50 now supports the 716A at CD, DVD and Blu-ray Writers forum; The NEW DVDInfoPro V4.50 now support the Plextor 716 Drives. I am using it on a 716UF attached via Firewire. I understand that the "Jitter" is calculated and it appears to report a value about 10% higher than it should be. NicW knows about the problem. I love this product, |
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10-12-2005
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The NEW DVDInfoPro V4.50 now support the Plextor 716 Drives. I am using it on a 716UF attached via Firewire. I understand that the "Jitter" is calculated and it appears to report a value about 10% higher than it should be. NicW knows about the problem. I love this product, so much better than PlexTools. See attached examples: 
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10-12-2005
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It's more like a 'let's find out what Plextor will do' approach __________________
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11-12-2005
- # 5
Good! Good! Good! 
Finally someone who "believe" in PX716 scanning!
How many time the community has asked this to the author of CD/DVD Speed?
Thanks to the author of DVDInfoPro!!!
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11-12-2005
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thanks for the news...interested to see what pans out wrt this new scanning option... __________________
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Plextor PX-716A / Plextor PX-708UF / BenQ 1640 / OCZ 520ADJ PowerStream / Lian-Li V1000B - Posted:
11-12-2005
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just tried it for the first time with my plextor using verbatim 16X media __________________
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12-12-2005
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Thanks to all for your comments so far. Its your requests that got this done. We are trying our hardest to make this feature what you want it to be. We need ideas, scan data, feature requests, alterations, etc. The more feedback we get the better we can fine tune this for you.. Please send data comparisons especially jitter with Benq and Plextor or other feedback to the DVDInfoPro mantis site and we will look at each one carefully. Alternately please send to Zebra who gathers and sorts all the feedback.
The mantis site is here: http://dvdinfomantis.sneddo.net
cheers
NicW__________________
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12-12-2005
- # 9
If you ever succeed in extracting useful values from the jitter tests, let me know 
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12-12-2005
- # 11
Gee I dont know, after making his daily Plextor and LiteOn corporate dumpster rounds, it looks like Zebras hands are already full!Quote:Originally Posted by nicwThe more feedback we get the better we can fine tune this for you.. Please send data comparisons especially jitter with Benq and Plextor or other feedback to the DVDInfoPro mantis site and we will look at each one carefully. Alternately please send to Zebra who gathers and sorts all the feedback.
cheers
NicW - Posted:
12-12-2005
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It also support the PX-712. - Posted:
14-12-2005
- # 13
i was wondering why the jitter part of the test drops the quality score so much? i watched when it was scanning and seen my score was a little above 98 then as soon as the jitter test run it dropped to the score you see in the attached picture. __________________
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14-12-2005
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12.3-12.6% jitter is approaching the upper limit for acceptable quality (13% i believe)...
i assume the Speed / Accuracy setting determines at what speed the test is conducted? does it also skip sectors like Plextools "Test Interval Length" setting?__________________
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Plextor PX-716A / Plextor PX-708UF / BenQ 1640 / OCZ 520ADJ PowerStream / Lian-Li V1000B - Posted:
14-12-2005
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there are 4 selections- accuracy, balanced, faster and fastest. __________________
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14-12-2005
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i am not believing the readings for jitter, nero cd speed reports lower numbers than it __________________
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14-12-2005
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i'm aware of the 4 settings, just wondering about details of them...
re: jitter - first post says "I understand that the "Jitter" is calculated and it appears to report a value about 10% higher than it should be. NicW knows about the problem."__________________
AMD A64 Clawhammer 3200+ / TT Venus 7+ / ASUS K8V Dlx / Corsair TwinX 4000PRO (2x512)
WD360GD 2*36GB Raptor (RAID0) / WD800JB 80GB PATA / IBM Deskstar 25.4GB PATA
ASUS R9800XT / VX900 19"CRT / Boston Acoustics BA7500 4.1
Plextor PX-716A / Plextor PX-Premium / Samsung SD-816B ROM / OCZ 520ADJ PowerStream / Kingwin KT424SWM
AMD A64 Winchester 3200+ / Thermalright XP-90 / ASUS A8V Dlx r2 / OCZ PlatR2 (2x512)
WD740GD 2*74GB Raptor (RAID0) / WD2500SD/JD 2*250GB SATA / Seagate 2*160GB PATA / Maxtor OneTouchII 300GB Ext (Firewire)
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Plextor PX-716A / Plextor PX-708UF / BenQ 1640 / OCZ 520ADJ PowerStream / Lian-Li V1000B - Posted:
14-12-2005
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The #1 message in this THREAD got it's data from the "SpeedLabs" site which Zebra runs. I hope NicW or Zebra will comment on the reported JITTER problem and why it's calculated. One think that I haven't tried is using different speeds and see if that changes the jitter values...Quote:Originally Posted by drpinoi'm aware of the 4 settings, just wondering about details of them...
re: jitter - first post says "I understand that the "Jitter" is calculated and it appears to report a value about 10% higher than it should be. NicW knows about the problem." - Posted:
14-12-2005
- # 19
Yeah and how would you change the scan speed for jitter?Quote:One think that I haven't tried is using different speeds and see if that changes the jitter values... __________________
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PxScan/PxView (compatible to Premium, PX-712, PX-714, PX-716), now with built-in picture file output
Bitsetting via Autostart
My Blog about DADVSI (new french copyright)
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15-12-2005
- # 21
Methods for testing jitter on DVD+R's are laid out in ECMA-349 guidelines, especially section 29.4 p.77Quote:Originally Posted by hwpAFAIK specifications call for a maximum of 9% for +R and 8% for -R.
Note also (charts) in Annex D p.85ff.
Don't think our DVDRW drives are designed to meet those requirements... - Posted:
15-12-2005
- # 22
Rather:Quote:Originally Posted by pinto2Methods for testing jitter on DVD+R's are laid out in ECMA-349 guidelines, especially section 29.4 p.77 Note also (charts) in Annex D p.85ff.
30.2.5 Jitter
Jitter is the standard deviation σ of the time variations of the binary read signal. This binary read signal is created by a slicer, after feeding the HF signal from the HF read channel through an equalizer and LPF (see Annex E). The jitter of the leading and trailing edges is measured relative to the PLL clock and normalized by the Channel bit clock period.
The jitter shall be measured at the Reference velocity using the circuit specified in Annex E.
The jitter measurement shall be using the conditions specified in 29.4.
The measured jitter shall not exceed 9,0 %.
Hard to say since writing is always dependant on drive AND media. Fortunately most drives seem to have no problems reading back disks with (common) Jitter like 12% and some even tolerate higher values (up to 20%) without problem. Nevertheless one should try to stay within the specs....Quote:Originally Posted by pinto2Don't think our DVDRW drives are designed to meet those requirements... - Posted:
15-12-2005
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cheers hwp...wonder where i got the 13% number from.... __________________
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Plextor PX-716A / Plextor PX-Premium / Samsung SD-816B ROM / OCZ 520ADJ PowerStream / Kingwin KT424SWM
AMD A64 Winchester 3200+ / Thermalright XP-90 / ASUS A8V Dlx r2 / OCZ PlatR2 (2x512)
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ATI X800XL / Viewsonic VP201s 20.1"LCD / Creative SBAudigy2ZS Plat / Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1
Plextor PX-716A / Plextor PX-708UF / BenQ 1640 / OCZ 520ADJ PowerStream / Lian-Li V1000B - Posted:
15-12-2005
- # 24
Sorry for going of topic, but I think I have to clarify my post above. Quote:Originally Posted by pinto2Methods for testing jitter on DVD+R's are laid out in ECMA-349 guidelines, especially section 29.4 p.77- "Refence velocity" = 3,49m/s = 1x DVD speed.Quote:The jitter shall be measured at the Reference velocity using the circuit specified in Annex E.
The jitter measurement shall be using the conditions specified in 29.4.
The measured jitter shall not exceed 9,0 %.
None of our quality/jitter messurements nowday are done at that speed, are they?
- "the circuit specified in Annex E"
Is this "circuit" part of our drives? My guees, probably not.
- "conditions as specified in 29.4".
Only a refernce drive can meet these mechanical designs. But than I'm not that knowledged of (all) hardware our drives are using for quality/jitter messuring.
Maybe one of our more knowledged member can enlighten me.
On this page we can read about how PlexTools with Plextor drives reads and reports jitter.
And here you can read about how Pioneer sees it.
This and much more leads me into conclusion the ECMA standard for jitter can't be directly compared with our jitter testing when using DVDInfoPro (and/or Nero CD-DVD Speed for other drives than Plextor).
Finally hwp, it would be nice if you can take your time and explain in simple english what this part of your quote means;Thanks.Quote:...This binary read signal is created by a slicer, after feeding the HF signal from the HF read channel through an equalizer and LPF (see Annex E). The jitter of the leading and trailing edges is measured relative to the PLL clock and normalized by the Channel bit clock period. - Posted:
15-12-2005
- # 25
Yes i think some clarification is necessary. Especially since i was talking about Jitter LIMITS in absulute numbers whereas you were talking about Jitter measurement METHOLOGY and i fail to see the connection.Quote:Originally Posted by pinto2Sorry for going of topic, but I think I have to clarify my post above.
Nope. It's 2x.Quote:Originally Posted by pinto2- "Refence velocity" = 3,49m/s = 1x DVD speed.
None of our quality/jitter messurements nowday are done at that speed, are they?
I think you're right.Quote:Originally Posted by pinto2- "the circuit specified in Annex E"
Is this "circuit" part of our drives? My guees, probably not.
Yes and no.Quote:Originally Posted by pinto2- "conditions as specified in 29.4".
Only a refernce drive can meet these mechanical designs. But than I'm not that knowledged of (all) hardware our drives are using for quality/jitter messuring.
The consensus on this is that "consumer-grade" measuring methods as they are offered by Plextor drives (and partially by other manufacturers too) are only usable to determine trends (for ex. raising error rates towards the outside of the disk) or fundamental problems (POF) but do not enable us to make valid comparisons on acutal "values" like 8.3% vs. 10.1% Jitter. That is to say, if you want to say for sure of your DVD-burn is within the 9% limit you can't do so with this equipment. If your drive says it's 9% then there is a relatively good chance that you are close to the limit or not far above it but again the value is not comparable. Strictly speaking the results are not even comparable on the same drive, since the environmental conditions are never quite the same.
True! It's an approximation only and should be interpreted accordingly (fro ex. don't fret about an extra percent of Jitter or two as long as it's within reasonable limits).Quote:Originally Posted by pinto2This and much more leads me into conclusion the ECMA standard for jitter can't be directly compared with our jitter testing when using DVDInfoPro (and/or Nero CD-DVD Speed for other drives than Plextor).
I rather doubt it would help this discussion any...Quote:Originally Posted by pinto2Finally hwp, it would be nice if you can take your time and explain in simple english what this part of your quote means; Thanks.
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