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Game Consoles Discuss, Warning for Xbox live players with a modded xbox at Consumer Electronic products forum; First of all : Read the disclaimer at the bottom of this post as well! As of 8 November 2004 Microsoft has been updating their XBOX Live configuration. This resulted in a global ban sweep of a lot of XBOX Live accounts. The troubles have been discussed over and over

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First of all : Read the disclaimer at the bottom of this post as well!

As of 8 November 2004 Microsoft has been updating their XBOX Live configuration. This resulted in a global ban sweep of a lot of XBOX Live accounts.

The troubles have been discussed over and over on the various l33t forums around the internet and they all come to the fairly same conclusions:

Your account WILL get banned if one of the following is active/installed :

- Another harddisk than the original
- Another EEPROM(flash) than the original
- Enabled modchip/eeprom

The main focus here is the check between harddisk and eeprom.

Your account WILL NOT get banned if you apply ALL of the following

- Original unmodified harddisk
- Original unmodified EEPROM
- Modchip disabled/stealthed


The XBOX Live banning has NOTHING to do with Halo2. People who don't even have Halo2 get banned while playing Rainbow Six or other games as well.

Halo2 however does have internal scanning programs inside it's default.xbe file. A hex edit of the file shows the following information:

0x0041158C, "XboxHardwareInfo"
0x00411594, "XboxKrnlVersion"
0x00411770, "HalDiskSerialNumber"
0x00411774, "HalDiskModelNumber"
etc

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I got banned, now what?

Rumors have it that neither your xbox serial or your xbox live account is banned, but the check between internal eeprom plus the harddisk is the reason for bannning. If you manage to obtain another eeprom, you're still fucked, since it doesn't cohabitate with your harddisk.
You would need to get a harddisk and an eeprom alltogether. Until 'someone' comes up with a nifty checking/crack it now means buying another xbox.



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I want the best of both worlds while i'm still not banned

What you could do is purchase a modchip that can be stealthed/disabled and then purchase a IDE flatcable with FOUR connectors on it. Connect BOTH your original and your upgraded harddisk on it and use a Y-splitter (http://www.ct-systemen.nl/images/y-splitter.jpg) to give them both bower. After that you apply a power switch on the Y-splitter so that you can give either your original harddisk or your upgraded harddisk some power.


**IMPORTANT** **DISCLAIMER**

Be noted that these conclusions are NOT 100% confirmed facts, so if your xbox still gets banned after you applied the above rules, don't whine at me.
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ou don't know if you've been banned? Do the test:

1.Turn off your modchip and go to the Xbox Dashboard.
2.Click on the Xbox Live Tab.
3.Go to Network Connections.
4.Wait for the Green Lights (or red X'es depending on your setup) to load.
5.Once they load highlight the help button.
6.Over the help button press the Y button.
7.An X code a Y code and a Z code will come up along with more packet data including upload and download speed.
8.Take note of these Numbers.

Example results:

A good (unbanned and good connected) xbox shows:
X: 0000-F021
Y: 00A8-4840
Z: 0000-0000

Xbox, banned, manual IP settings:

X: 0000 - 000D
Y: 00A8 - 6800
Z: 8015 - 190D

Xbox, banned, with auto IP settings:

X: 0000 - F009
Y: 00A8 - 6820
Z: 8015 - 190D


If your Y code contains a 6 in the first digit of the second part, you are BANNED.

Note: It's no use to get another EEPROM. It will change your XYZ codes, but since it doesn't match with your harddisk, your new EEPROM will also be banned and a 6 will be written.
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Rumor 1:

It seems that when you first signed up for live, a checksum is made with both your eeprom and your current harddisk.

This could mean that your relatively safe if you already modded your xbox, put in a new drive and after that signed up for Xbox Live


Rumor 2:

Some anonymous XBox people claim that the new Xbox Live update will scan your entire harddrive and/or c partition to check for weird .xbe files. If they find something that they don't like, your banned.
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As I never bothered with Live I can mod my Xbox to hell and M$ wont know a thing

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oh yea I have been reading this on the l33t forums too.
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oh yea I have been reading this on the l33t forums too.
lol yeah: WOW a 14.4Kb modem and a PCI bus

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Could you guys stay on topic please?
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I have a hdd and i'm not banned
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Like Mr B said about the cable the only thing is that no one has posted any links to any thing

Here is a link to The supplies you will need

http://secure.llamma.com/catalog/pro...products_id=89


Here is a link to the directions you need to follow

http://www.llamma.com/xbox/Mods/xbox...able_udma_.htm


The customer support here was great for me.....When i First did mine i got the ribbon cable with a screw and contacted them about a new one and had a response in an hour.


The only thing that you may have to do is alter some things on the xbox....If you look at where the hard drive sits...i cut out the back part of the bracket it sits on to make room for the switch(on hard drive where ribbon and power plug in....from there back is what i cut off...and of course a place for the ribbon to come outof casing)


Here are some pictures of my xbox so you can see what it looks like.....the hard drive on top is the stock hard drive

well iwould put pictures but it keeps giving me an error if you want to see just pm me
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They have also been banning people with modded xbox's for a while now but i have never heard of the other points you bring up.....but then again i had my box wired like this before i went live...I guess i better not forget to turn chip off
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Yeah, it seems that it is only if you have upgraded your HD since you first got on Live, that it causes problems. I know a guy with a 160GB HD (same HD he has always had since he got on XBL) and his is working just fine. However, the next step may be to simply ban anything but a stock HD. Anyways, there seem to be some really good alternatives to XBL in the works right now. NeXBC alpha version is out and the reports so far are really good. Not anywhere near as much lag as the original XBC, ect. All it really needs are for people to pick it up and use it.
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However, the next step may be to simply ban anything but a stock HD.


That the way I understood what Mr B said
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Forget it, screw you guys, Microsoft wins


Well , here's a quick update about my own experiences after a night of Halo2 fun:

Situation : 1 Xbox, 1 DMS3 X-BIT Modchip in stealth mode, 1 original harddisk and two controllers.

Xbox Live accounts : operating since November 10 2004.


As of yesterday November 11 22:30 CEST my xbox was banned from xbox live due to "hardware modification". I have absolutely no clue how Microsoft found out i have a STEALTHED modchip, but that was the only thing that deviated it from an unmodded xbox. Sadly to say i got the 6 in the Y and the xbox i have is banned for life.

Respect for Microsoft , disrespect for my wallet. I guess i need an additional xbox
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As of yesterday November 11 22:30 CEST my xbox was banned from xbox live due to "hardware modification"(

i guess i may be lucky for now.....i havent got banned yet (biteing fingernails) I wonder when it gonna happen to me today..... tommorow

I guess it will be a matter of time for someone to come up with a way to get around that too.......but then again we are talking about M$...who knows.........Ill give mine a try after work to see if anything has happened today


here are the pics that i said i would give in an earlier post
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What's that thingy on the right, modchip switch?

BTW, Got me a 2nd xbox so i can play Halo2 online again, whee !
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[QUOTE=Mr. Belvedere]What's that thingy on the right, modchip switch?QUOTE]

On the right is the xbit(modchip)over there on the left is the switch for the hard drives
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You guys are nuts. Why go to such extreme measures just to stay on live when there are alternatives out there. I realize that up until now they really haven't been quite as good but I have heard really good reports about neXBC and there you don't have to worry about any of the XBL BS.
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So why is MS banning people if their Xbox isn't pristine?
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You guys are nuts.
We love you too.

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Why go to such extreme measures just to stay on live when there are alternatives out there.
Becasue i want to play live and not some werid 3rd party implementation which is promoted as if it were the new religion.

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I realize that up until now they really haven't been quite as good but I have heard really good reports about neXBC and there you don't have to worry about any of the XBL BS.
Seen KaiXlink?
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So why is MS banning people if their Xbox isn't pristine?
It's in the EULA of the Xbox Live agreement.
Seems lots of people have been complaining that people who have modded their xbox have an advantage in comparison to people who haven't modded it.
They hack their savegames and don't pay for the extra content (Project Gotham Racing 2 for instance).
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Ok guys - you sure M$ isn't just checking for 'HDD LOCKED' flag? As, by default when you chuck new HDD in, it is 'unlocked' yet - you can still get it to 'boot' when you lock it back again...

Perhaps that's what is triggering 'Stealth Mode' chipped boxes to be 'banned'?

Just a suggestion to throw into the mix... can anybody comment either way?

Cheers,

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Ok guys - you sure M$ isn't just checking for 'HDD LOCKED' flag? As, by default when you chuck new HDD in, it is 'unlocked' yet - you can still get it to 'boot' when you lock it back again...

Perhaps that's what is triggering 'Stealth Mode' chipped boxes to be 'banned'?

Just a suggestion to throw into the mix... can anybody comment either way?

Cheers,

MuzChap

I havent had any problem in getting banned yet but i am using the xbit which when i go live i unplug the yellow and black wires and switch tho the M$ hard drive as you see on top of the Xbox......(to hook up 2nd Hd cost less then $20usd so i think it was money well spent)

The pupose of having the M$ harddrive out side is that if I take Xbox with me somewhere to play i dont play live and all my games are on the hard drive in the xbox
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You guys are nuts. Why go to such extreme measures just to stay on live when there are alternatives out there. I realize that up until now they really haven't been quite as good but I have heard really good reports about neXBC and there you don't have to worry about any of the XBL BS.
You think this is nuts go visit http://afterdawn.com and look around awhile....there are people there taking their xbox and modfying it to put in old NES sytems or adding Led's and painting all sorts of stuff.....dont get me wrong alot of it is pretty neat looking just dont see why that much trouble
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can i get one of the banned xboxes? since it seems that you guys have bought original xboxes again...
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I wonder if sony and nintendo will be as bad as MS...
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