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I like to reccomend the samsung drives to people who show a desire for quality burns and verifying them with cdspeed but it's a pain to edit the registry for a noob.

This is about as screwed up as bitsetting support in certain firmwares.

rant off/maybe?
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I like to reccomend the samsung drives to people who show a desire for quality burns and verifying them with cdspeed but it's a pain to edit the registry for a noob.
It doesn't have to be difficult - it can be as easy as using a REG file available here.
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Posted: 02-10-2007
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Can you post a screenshot?
This error normally only shows up if either the disc is badly damaged or if the scanning speed is too high.
Sorry for the delay...here is a shot of the error. Disc works fine...just has this problem with CD-Speed under Vista Ultimate x64.
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It doesn't have to be difficult - it can be as easy as using a REG file available here.
thank you, much better option
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VISTA and CDSpeed:

Under Vista, when running CDSpeed and the test gets to the last part, the jitter scan, my PC becomes sluggish. If I open Windows Task Manager, and look at the Performance tab, the CPU Usage bounces between 40% and 50%. This continues until the jitter scan is complete, then drops back to the more normal 1% to 2%. If I look under Processes, Task Manager does not show any process consuming these cpu cycles.

CDSpeed is version 4.7.7.0. My PC is running Vista Ultimate, with all updates. CPU is E6300 overclocked to 3.0 ghz (Orthos stable), motherboard is Gigabyte DS3, latest Bios. Memory is 2 gigs.

Has anyone else noticed this behavior?
I've noticed it even using 4.7.7.5 in Vista Ultimate x86.
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I've noticed it even using 4.7.7.5 in Vista Ultimate x86.
This, along with many other small annoyances, convinced me to move back to XP.
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umm

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Activation context generation failed for "D:\Programs\Nero 8\Nero Toolkit\DiscSpeed.exe".Error in manifest or policy file "" on line . A component version required by the application conflicts with another component version already active. Conflicting components are:. Component 1: C:\Windows\WinSxS\manifests\amd64_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.6000.20533_none_fe878dc90d113cbb.manifest. Component 2: C:\Windows\WinSxS\manifests\x86_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.6000.20533_none_4634c4a0218d65c1.manifest.
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I have a question about Codeking's 4x jitter app: Do you just run it once and it makes a permanent change to the registry, or does it have to be run with each launch of Nero Speed?

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Posted: 07-10-2007
My guess is it stays as is until changed again (I think it modifies the regiestry).

I could be wrong on both accounts though, this is just when I read about this. Also, if you back and check after setting the jitter, it is still at the same value...my guess it stays the same!!


....experts chime in!!
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Erik Deppe included the selectable-speed jitter pass for Liteys in the 4.7.7.5 version of CDSpeed--it uses a registry key to keep track of the jitter pass speed.

Set & forget, unless you want to change speed again. CK's tool makes changing the registry key value a heck of a lot easier.

edit: Damn, I'm slow.
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Erik Deppe included the selectable-speed jitter pass for Liteys in the 4.7.7.5 version of CDSpeed--it uses a registry key to keep track of the jitter pass speed.

Set & forget, unless you want to change speed again. CK's tool makes changing the registry key value a heck of a lot easier.
Does that mean CK's tool isn't needed to set Liteon 4x jitter reading with a 16x QS when running NS 4.7.7.5?
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Does that mean CK's tool isn't needed to set Liteon 4x jitter reading with a 16x QS when running NS 4.7.7.5?
No, it means that you'll have to run CDSpeed 4.7.7.5 (or later) in order to have the option of scanning jitter at a separate speed, and provided you do run CDSpeed 4.7.7.5 (or later) you can use C0deKing's tool (or edit the registry) to take advantage of that option.
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Thanks for clearing that up for me!
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Hi - I got a question - 99% Quality Score - can this be true?
Original TY DVD-R 8x (silver disc) written with 4x speed.
Scanned afterwards in the same drive and .

Writing speeds lower than or above 4x produced more errors.
Should I be happy about the 99% or is this value not so important?

Thanks!
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Hi - I got a question - 99% Quality Score - can this be true?
Original TY DVD-R 8x (silver disc) written with 4x speed.
Scanned afterwards in the same drive and .

Writing speeds lower than or above 4x produced more errors.
Should I be happy about the 99% or is this value not so important?

Thanks!
The value is not important imo. A single PIF spike will ruin the score for an otherwise perfect disc. You can trust the result. I'm pretty sure TYG02 from TY are the discs that will score most 99's. It's not that rare even if it doesn't happen all the time. A few users here have had TYG02 with 0 PIF and i never saw that from other discs
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@statixx:

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=222292
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=123219
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Thanks for the links - very helpful!
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I've put version 4.7.7.5 on the cdspeed website. This version is actually newer than DiscSpeed 4.8.2.0 and supports more drives.
http://cdspeed2000.com/download.html
Erik,

A quick question from a newbie?

When I run DiscSpeed on my brand spanking new computer I see some interesting results with the cpu tests -- results for 1x and 2x are reasonable (around 5%), 4X is about 20%, but 8X is about 95%. The 8x score is dramatically worse than on my old P4 1.7ghz computer.

New computer is a SATA only core 2 duo system @ 3.0ghz running with 2 RAID 0 hard drives from the ICH9R chip and a SATA DVD burner.

When the 8X test starts the DVD drive seems to slow down dramatically and process explorer shows a huge increase for the "system idle process" -- it goes up to almost 100%.

The old Nero system info tool (from Nero 6.6 I think) reports that DMA is not enabled on the DVD burner but the read and write performance seem reasonable and not overly stressful for the CPUs while it's busy reading/writing. It's not clear to me if DMA is needed or makes sense for a SATA DVD burner.

Does this make any sense to you at all? Is this what you would expect for DiscSpeed?

Thank you in advance for any and all thoughts!
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Posted: 27-10-2007
Out of curiosity, downloaded DiscSpeed 4.9.0.0
Averages still not calculated correctly in Quickscan...
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Erik, why am i keep getting this?

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Activation context generation failed for "D:\Programs\Nero 8\Nero Toolkit\DiscSpeed.exe".Error in manifest or policy file "" on line . A component version required by the application conflicts with another component version already active. Conflicting components are:. Component 1: C:\Windows\WinSxS\manifests\amd64_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.6000.20533_none_fe878dc90d113cbb.manifest. Component 2: C:\Windows\WinSxS\manifests\x86_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.6000.20533_none_4634c4a0218d65c1.manifest.
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Posted: 28-10-2007
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Out of curiosity, downloaded DiscSpeed 4.9.0.0
Averages still not calculated correctly in Quickscan...
I don't use the Quickscan option, but numbers interest me.

I did a couple of test scans (with 20, 50 and 100 measuring points) with version 4.7.7.5 and they show pretty clearly why the averages are too high: divide them by the number of measuring points and they're very similar- so the counts are only being divided by the length of a single sample to determine the average. You can see this too, if you watch how the averages jump and then drop when the scan goes from one sample to the next.

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General Information 
 Drive:                         BENQ    DVD DD DW1650
 Firmware:                      BCIC
 Disc:                          DVD-ROM
 Selected speed:                8 X
QuickScan Measure Points:         1             20             50            100
PI errors                                                                      
 Maximum:                        22             19             18             27
 Average:                         5.6          114.98         296.25         598.27
     Average / Intervals          5.6            5.75           5.93           5.98
 Total:                       94042           1854           4814           9348
PI failures                                                                    
 Maximum:                        16             8              11             11
 Average:                         0.12           3.12           7.45           13.92
     Average / Intervals          0.12           0.16           0.15           0.14
 Total:                      16398             402            969            1740
PO failures:                      0              0              0              0
Jitter                                                                         
 Maximum:                        10.50%         9.40%          10.40%         12.70%
 Average:                         7.26%          7.14%          7.37%          7.34%
Scanning Statistics                                                            
 Elapsed time:                09:19:00       00:47:00       01:54:00       03:50:00
 Number of samples:           16316            411           1018           1946
 Average scanning interval:       8.24 ECC       8.52 ECC       8.42 ECC       8.41 
 Glitches removed:                0              0              0              0
The table shows the results from the text summary for the 3 QuickScan cases in comparison to the full scan (1 interval). The attached images are for the full scan and 50 measuring points.

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Hmm, I recently reformatted and now CDspeed 4.7.7.5 is having some issues it never had before...

Basically if I scan a disc, the results come up, I click close the the summary report and then look at the graph. If I at any point in time, insert a disc into ANY drive connected to my PC, be it USB or not, the graph will disappear completely. Extremely annoying as this never happened before.

If I power my USB drive on it will also make cdspeed crash. I don't know why this is happening?

I had XP pro before and reformatted and put my XP home edition back on since I might sell this PC one day. Is there something stupid about home edition's drivers or something causing this ridiculous behavior.
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I have just upgraded from 4.7.5.0 to 4.7.7.5 and from some reason in disk quality the "START" tab remain greyed out. I have scanned 100's of dvd's with this software and never had a problem. Kprobe 2 and DVD info Pro both work fine though.

The machine has not changed one bit. Same drive (Lite-On 20A1P), same OS (XP), same everything. I have checked DMA, F/W etc too.

Anyone have any ideas?
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Hmm, I recently reformatted and now CDspeed 4.7.7.5 is having some issues it never had before...

Basically if I scan a disc, the results come up, I click close the the summary report and then look at the graph. If I at any point in time, insert a disc into ANY drive connected to my PC, be it USB or not, the graph will disappear completely. Extremely annoying as this never happened before.

If I power my USB drive on it will also make cdspeed crash. I don't know why this is happening?
Not just you. Happening on all 4 computers I have here running XP Pro SP2. To go a step further, your graphs will disappear or the scan will stop if you launch any application that apparently 'polls' the CD/DVD drive. Kprobe doesn't give this behavior so I suspect it 'locks' the drive in some manner so that no interruptions occur during the scan. Tried DiscSpeed 4.9.0.0 and it has the same unfortunate behavior
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