Microsoft blocking boot to desktop in Windows 8

StormJumper · 13-08-2012

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Originally Posted by Kenshin

It must have been apparent nobody could have prevented or prohibited any of the posters above, including you and myself, from adding one more Microsoft bashing post. It is unreasonable for anyone to suspect whether I mentioned "control" or "censorship" or not would reduce the total amount of all the trillions of anti-Microsoft or anti-Windows 8 posts. I do not even have the moderating power on this forum and surely my post was not related to any CIA or FTC intervention. Well, I'm not related to Microsoft, either, except in that I translated some of the Korean-language editions of Windows and Office help files and I bought a few copies, and some licenses through purchase of laptops and smartphones.

The very fact that so many posters on the web communities and under the news articles of various websites including CNN and BBC have posted against Samsung, Apple, Microsoft, or any other large corporation or politician encourages more anonymous posters to add to the already very misleading and chaotic flames that are mostly senseless, purposeless, unproductive, and it also presents wrong and very distorted sense of reality. Such mass of posts make constructive and helpful posting impossible in most cases and most places.

Yes I know what you mean about the negativity some have toward MS and other such big name cooperations, I think the bashing comes with the territory just like them taking each other to court with patent infringement lawsuits.

SJ

staringatthesky · 13-08-2012

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Originally Posted by Kenshin

But there are some of the "we" who do use such features. I think Microsoft has more money to spend on market share analysis and prediction than an average PC user and so far they have done extremely well.

What I predict is Windows 8 will prove to be a major success even if most so-called power users continue to fill the web with billions of posts announcing "We Will NEVER Use Another Microsoft OS".

It's good to point out some so-called innovations seem to restrict innovative usage, but I see most of the threads and news about Microsoft's Windows 8 are being filled with all these anti-Metro posts. There are already many people using various pre-RTM and RTM versions of Windows 8 despite the Metro UI.

I have four (Yes 4!) live tiles left on my desktop : Desktop ,Store ,Weather ,and news. All the others either either didn't work (Maps) or I had absolutely ZERO use for (All of the others).

Microsoft really should give you an option to automatically alphabetize the tiles for the apps. You could spend days going through all the tiles deleting the help files and trying to organize them into some semblance of order.

staringatthesky · 13-08-2012

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Originally Posted by Kenshin

So you'd prefer Windows 1.0 to Windows 8 if you had to choose between the two.

This is a tragic example of why user reviews on open web need to be seriously controlled and so-called news reporters need to be censored - including those working for and writing on CNET and Engadget.

What I would prefer is Windows 7.

staringatthesky · 13-08-2012

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Originally Posted by Kenshin

So you'd prefer Windows 1.0 to Windows 8 if you had to choose between the two.

This is a tragic example of why user reviews on open web need to be seriously controlled and so-called news reporters need to be censored - including those working for and writing on CNET and Engadget.

Just because I didn't immediately fall in love with Windows 8 that doesn't automatically mean that I'm some kind of luddite who thinks we should all go back to Windows 1.0.
All it means is that I didn't immediately fall in love with Windows 8.
Please engage brain before posting.

staringatthesky · 13-08-2012

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Originally Posted by Kenshin

I know you are presenting your post as an opinion, but you obviously knew what I meant was hardly about about limiting human right or freedom of speech.

Most posts here and most other related threads are simple spamming against Microsoft either repeating the same "I don't want to buy any Microsoft product" or "I hate that new interface" endlessly and hardly discussing other features introduced or changed in Windows 8. At any rate, web user reviews and community forum posts cannot count much as most are anonymous and cannot be proven and held accountable. It is not easy to control, but it's better to find some better methods to analyze and synthesize the data regarding customer opinions and preferences. Just because there are so many "I hate Microsoft" posts should be not be a basis of concluding "Microsoft is EVIL" but that's been basically the function of these web communities.

As for freedom of press, do you seriously think an average news reporter at computer hardware and software website has so much right to be so much biased? How do you check that power?

If you don't like the word censorship, you could have just interpreted it as education, or enlightenment.

OK OK OK!
What I do like about Windows 8
1) I like having tiles for applications. It looks very cool.
2) I really really REALLY like that you can wipe all applications etc and restore the PC to a new install state without actually reinstalling the OS.
3) I like the speed and over all & responsiveness and stability of the OS
4) I like how when you're in the Metro interface if you hold hover over the dash at the bottom right edge of the screen a list of options comes up as well as a link to a basic device manager
5) I like the task manager
6) I like how quickly Metro apps install
7) I like how after you install a Metro app you go back to where you were automatically

staringatthesky · 13-08-2012

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Originally Posted by staringatthesky

OK OK OK!
What I do like about Windows 8
1) I like having tiles for applications. It looks very cool.
2) I really really REALLY like that you can wipe all applications etc and restore the PC to a new install state without actually reinstalling the OS.
3) I like the speed and over all & responsiveness and stability of the OS
4) I like how when you're in the Metro interface if you hold hover over the dash at the bottom right edge of the screen a list of options comes up as well as a link to a basic device manager
5) I like the task manager
6) I like how quickly Metro apps install
7) I like how after you install a Metro app you go back to where you were automatically

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EDIT
8) I really like how no matter where you are or what you're doing pressing the Windows key automatically brings you back to the Mero interface

*DukeNukem* · 13-08-2012

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Originally Posted by Kenshin

This is a tragic example of why user reviews on open web need to be seriously controlled and so-called news reporters need to be censored - including those working for and writing on CNET and Engadget.

Okay, you've just lost all credibility with me. This isn't Nazi Germany, man. I agree that there's a lot of crap on the net, but you have to filter it out. I don't like censorship, whether it be about reviews or news stories or whatever. Sure, I go to CNET and Engaget (and Fudzilla and Myce) to see the stories, but I visit just as much for the comments. In your censored vision of the net, I'd be pretty bored.

ChristineBCW · 13-08-2012

Ken, I'll argue censorship.

First, who'd do the censoring? Me? You'd trust ME to do that? I DO think I'd be a great candidate - probably the only creature in this galaxy, in fact, who could do it.

That's my humble opinion.

Except I get kinda lazy at times, and I want time off. Vacation. Holidays. Weekends. Some late mornings into work. Early afternoons off - that kind of thing.

So I would be VERY careful about annointing me as Galactic Censor. Things could slip thru the cracks.

And would you want someone more energetic? Well, out on that extreme, then you'd have the zealots. And whether they're worshipping Chairman Mao, Uncle Joe Stalin or sieg-heiling their way around the Banker Bush Family, I'm even more skeptical of zealots.

Two, we have plenty of censorship. In the Capitalist West, they spell it differently. It's spelled "edit". We "edit" the news.

"All the news that fits."

"All the news that sells."

"All the news that doesn't offend advertisers and whoever makes us offers we can't refuse." Pass the horsehead, please...

"Sorry, not enough time for all the news, so we'll edit and pick the parts we want."

Many folks believe the West has great free press. But every history of the 20th Century includes passages about citizens knowing how to read between the lines.

Those all refer to citizens of dictator states. The Soviet citizenry read between the lines. The Chinese. Germans. Japanese. They all knew how to read between the lines.

The West occasionally offers the delusion that we don't NEED to. "We have free press!" is their trumpeting call. Very loud, shrill and constant.

Except...would you rather know you're being lied to? Or would you rather delude yourself and not know?

In either case, the "facts" may not be known, but isn't there a wisdom to understand when one is being lied to, and when one isn't?

Yes. Of course.

* * * *

There are other forms of censorship. George Orwell discussed one possibility with his NewSpeak, where Thoughts could be controlled by controlling the Vocabulary, as if the number of our thoughts would also be reduced, and thus create a lulled mass of thoughtless workers.

Except...

Not every thought has a word to it. Such as?

Mash your finger. Except WHAT flood of words exactly describes the pain?

Walk along. Trip and fall. As you're falling, can you put every word into every sensation, and do it AT THAT TIME?

No. Of course not. Those are thoughts, though - realizations - a flood of understandings pour thru our brains. But they don't have words attached to every moment.

Thought will never be controlled merely by Words. Facebook and Twitter do their best to enforce limits on words, hoping our laziness will prevent us from LONG WINDED POSTS.

Like this one.

Censorship will always have something slipped thru the cracks, though.

When I do become Empress Of The Universe, I'm certainly I'll be tempted to employ more censor-like controls, or simply smite populations into other dimensions.

I'll try to take a deep breath before that and relax, and recall the words of my hubby.

"Mmmph grfffubble issshhttak" or something like that.

Which roughly means, "If you'd remove the blindfold, gag, shackles and noose, I'd let you have fun with me."

I think that's what he means, at least.

blegs38552 · 13-08-2012

Can we get back on topic?

ChristineBCW · 13-08-2012

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Originally Posted by blegs38552

By your logic, users of Windows 3.0 should have had the option to boot directly to a DOS prompt rather than to the Windows GUI of that time

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Originally Posted by blegs38552

Regarding better resource usage and faster services with more user control... as far as better security, anti-malware protection is now standard in Win 8.

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Originally Posted by blegs38552

I still have Norton Internet Security on my win 7 PCs but will probably not update it next year

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Originally Posted by blegs38552

This might be true if people only wanted to surf the web and send email... I have yet to find a Linux program... that comes close to giving me the control over my finances that Quicken does... Ditto for taxes... Photoshop, or even Photoshop Elements... RAW files... How about MP3 tag programs, audio and video file converters, support for downloading to my Zune player (or any MP3 player or cell phone)? Sorry - I like Ubuntu, but it is far from ready for prime time.

Yes. Staying on topic.

**alan1476** · 14-08-2012

I am so sorry to hear all these negative comments, I thought our member were visionarys, willing to give anything a chance, I think and its just my opinion that you will all change your mind when the OS is released.

biswasishere · 14-08-2012

I will install win7, win8, and ubuntu side by side.

xorsists · 14-08-2012

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Originally Posted by alan1476

I am so sorry to hear all these negative comments, I thought our member were visionarys, willing to give anything a chance, I think and its just my opinion that you will all change your mind when the OS is released.

I totally agree with you Alan give windows 8 a chance it performs great for me and I am not going back to windows 7 for any reason it is a very solid OS and MS will not flop with windows 8 dispite all the complaints about the metro and the start orb gone it only took me a few days to figure out the new platform and I am happy as can be to see a new and fun OS.

msdn keys tomorrow I can't wait I am running the RTM pro and still pleased as heck.

Windows 8 is faster than win7 it takes about 10gigs less space on an ssd just to mention a few pluses of the new OS.

Not to mention the retail price is looking at about 69.95 or upgrade for 39.95.

**Kerry56** · 14-08-2012

I agree that $40 for an upgrade version of MS's latest operating system is too good to pass up.

But like many, I'll be looking for ways to minimize interaction with the start screen, and will refuse to buy into the whole Metro store approach for programs. I'm just not sure why it matters to anyone else how I'll be using the operating system.

xorsists · 14-08-2012

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Originally Posted by Kerry56

I agree that $40 for an upgrade version of MS's latest operating system is too good to pass up.

But like many, I'll be looking for ways to minimize interaction with the start screen, and will refuse to buy into the whole Metro store approach for programs. I'm just not sure why it matters to anyone else how I'll be using the operating system.

I understand exactly what you mean Kerry I don't use the metro apps I will when MS releases their surface tablet which I expect to be lower with great specs to try and put a hurt on apple where MS has been late in the game in the tablet dept.

In the mean time I am totally enjoying me nexus 7 it fast quick and easy to use best 200.00 for a 7in mobile tablet device I have seen not an ipad but very fast the only downside for me is no expansion sd card slot and no 3 or 4 g support.

staringatthesky · 15-08-2012

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Originally Posted by xorsists

I totally agree with you Alan give windows 8 a chance it performs great for me and I am not going back to windows 7 for any reason it is a very solid OS and MS will not flop with windows 8 dispite all the complaints about the metro and the start orb gone it only took me a few days to figure out the new platform and I am happy as can be to see a new and fun OS.

msdn keys tomorrow I can't wait I am running the RTM pro and still pleased as heck.

Windows 8 is faster than win7 it takes about 10gigs less space on an ssd just to mention a few pluses of the new OS.

Not to mention the retail price is looking at about 69.95 or upgrade for 39.95.

I agree.
I was sure I would hate the Metro interface but I like it a lot more than I expected. Most of the the tiles are useless (Sports Finance ,Photos ,Videos) but there are some nice free apps in the market (Games ,weather apps and A few other interesting ods & ends). And seeing all your apps on tiles on the Metro desktop is very cool.
I think they dropped the ball in some ways with the Metro interface though. Microsoft should have put tiles for My Computer ,Control Panel etc in the Metro Desktop. They could have made them optional or they could have put them all the way over to the right hand side of the screen where they would have been out of the way.

d-shade · 15-08-2012

I like the metro interface but I haven't used it enough in desktop form. When using Win8 just have a hard time using it and end up touching my screen trying to make it do things. I do like the metro UI on my phone though.

I also hate IE when launched from the metro interface.

*Mr. Belvedere* · 15-08-2012

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Originally Posted by alan1476

I am so sorry to hear all these negative comments, I thought our member were visionarys, willing to give anything a chance, I think and its just my opinion that you will all change your mind when the OS is released.

No, we're autistic people. Don't like change. Hate shiny colors. That sort of stuff.

Sure, i'll try Windows 8. Already tried the RC version on a VirtualBox. But as for now i don't have any purpose for Windows 8 on any of my machines. They will only make things slower. Well, perhaps one old little laptop will benefit, but i'm not using it much, so there's no rush.

pjjsmit10 · 15-08-2012

i don't mind.... i LOOOOOOOOOVE Metro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lajos · 28-08-2012

Booting to Metro will probably work for 95% of people. But I don't see why Microsoft would be blocking the ability to boot to desktop.

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13-08-2012	#58
ChristineBCW MyCE Die Hard Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: USA-Canada Posts: 1,317	Ken, I'll argue censorship. First, who'd do the censoring? Me? You'd trust ME to do that? I DO think I'd be a great candidate - probably the only creature in this galaxy, in fact, who could do it. That's my humble opinion. Except I get kinda lazy at times, and I want time off. Vacation. Holidays. Weekends. Some late mornings into work. Early afternoons off - that kind of thing. So I would be VERY careful about annointing me as Galactic Censor. Things could slip thru the cracks. And would you want someone more energetic? Well, out on that extreme, then you'd have the zealots. And whether they're worshipping Chairman Mao, Uncle Joe Stalin or sieg-heiling their way around the Banker Bush Family, I'm even more skeptical of zealots. Two, we have plenty of censorship. In the Capitalist West, they spell it differently. It's spelled "edit". We "edit" the news. "All the news that fits." "All the news that sells." "All the news that doesn't offend advertisers and whoever makes us offers we can't refuse." Pass the horsehead, please... "Sorry, not enough time for all the news, so we'll edit and pick the parts we want." Many folks believe the West has great free press. But every history of the 20th Century includes passages about citizens knowing how to read between the lines. Those all refer to citizens of dictator states. The Soviet citizenry read between the lines. The Chinese. Germans. Japanese. They all knew how to read between the lines. The West occasionally offers the delusion that we don't NEED to. "We have free press!" is their trumpeting call. Very loud, shrill and constant. Except...would you rather know you're being lied to? Or would you rather delude yourself and not know? In either case, the "facts" may not be known, but isn't there a wisdom to understand when one is being lied to, and when one isn't? Yes. Of course. * * * * There are other forms of censorship. George Orwell discussed one possibility with his NewSpeak, where Thoughts could be controlled by controlling the Vocabulary, as if the number of our thoughts would also be reduced, and thus create a lulled mass of thoughtless workers. Except... Not every thought has a word to it. Such as? Mash your finger. Except WHAT flood of words exactly describes the pain? Walk along. Trip and fall. As you're falling, can you put every word into every sensation, and do it AT THAT TIME? No. Of course not. Those are thoughts, though - realizations - a flood of understandings pour thru our brains. But they don't have words attached to every moment. Thought will never be controlled merely by Words. Facebook and Twitter do their best to enforce limits on words, hoping our laziness will prevent us from LONG WINDED POSTS. Like this one. Censorship will always have something slipped thru the cracks, though. When I do become Empress Of The Universe, I'm certainly I'll be tempted to employ more censor-like controls, or simply smite populations into other dimensions. I'll try to take a deep breath before that and relax, and recall the words of my hubby. "Mmmph grfffubble issshhttak" or something like that. Which roughly means, "If you'd remove the blindfold, gag, shackles and noose, I'd let you have fun with me." I think that's what he means, at least.

13-08-2012	#59
blegs38552 MyCE Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 104	Can we get back on topic?

14-08-2012	#61
alan1476 Senior Moderator and Software Editor Join Date: May 2005 Location: Watching you Posts: 18,378	I am so sorry to hear all these negative comments, I thought our member were visionarys, willing to give anything a chance, I think and its just my opinion that you will all change your mind when the OS is released.

14-08-2012	#62
biswasishere New Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 2	I will install win7, win8, and ubuntu side by side.

15-08-2012	#67
d-shade New Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 2	I like the metro interface but I haven't used it enough in desktop form. When using Win8 just have a hard time using it and end up touching my screen trying to make it do things. I do like the metro UI on my phone though. I also hate IE when launched from the metro interface.

15-08-2012	#69
pjjsmit10 New Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 2	i don't mind.... i LOOOOOOOOOVE Metro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

28-08-2012	#70
lajos New Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 2	Booting to Metro will probably work for 95% of people. But I don't see why Microsoft would be blocking the ability to boot to desktop.