Microsoft blocking boot to desktop in Windows 8

coolcolors

Was that a attempt at some joke???? Don't make me it won't take long for W8 to get malware attacked. Anyone claiming W8 more secure is living a shelter life and needs to get out more.... All O/S now and past made those very same claims...and guess what they got served......!!!

DukeNukem

Microsoft Security Essentials isn't so bad, but I make sure Malwarebytes Anti-Malware is on every PC I own / touch. I can't count how many times it has protected my pale ass. I gave up on Symantec Endpoint Protection a year or so ago. You need an octocore CPU to run that bloatware.

tmc8080

Yeah, that was my impression from the demos I watched on youtube.. booting into metro seems lame, and forcing you to logon to metro is worse..

First of all, if you don't have a touchscreen detected, you should boot into the classic desktop and then press the window key to switch to metro, if you like.. so it's ass-backwards.. If microsoft doesn't fix this distinction, hackers/modders probably will..

Nevertheless, I think the greater problem is what does this do to PC & Laptop sales.. the vast majority of those computers DO NOT have a touchscren interface.. so unless that changes in 2013, it will NOT spur on PC sales, infact it might have the direct opposite effect. An O/S not generally user friendly for the hardwre you buy?!?!? WTF!!! I thought they were trying to get rid of those problems and perceptions from Windows Vista!!!

blegs38552

Agreed - I still have Norton Internet Security on my win 7 PCs but will probably not update it next year, as 2 of the three will be Win 8 computers and the combination of the built in package and malwarebytes should suffice (I will only run one of these actively - probably the Win 8 one). I can always install these on my windows 7 PC as well and save %0.00 or so.

Mr. Belvedere

So you programmed your own operating system?

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DukeNukem

No, but I did. Took me a month and a half. I call it "Duke OS 1.0". I can now play Crysis on max resolution at 225 FPS. Still some bugs to work out, though. I have to turn off the PC when I'm not using it, or it'll make crank calls to Apple and Microsoft. It also has a penchant for calling 976 phone-sex lines.

Mr. Belvedere

Probably the DirectX API calls that the Cry-engine tends to use.

Hey, as long as it's happy?

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Seán

I think this is a good opportunity for Linux, but only if at least a major distribution makes installing software & drivers more user-friendly for non-technical users. In fact, installing the actual Linux OS is far more user-friendly than trying to install/update most software not listed in its package manager.

For example, when I wanted to upgrade Gimp to version 2.8 in Windows, I just downloaded the latest version, double-clicked the download and followed the steps.

In Linux Mint (a major Linux distro), I went to its package manager, but after refreshing its listing, its listing only listed version 2.6, so I went to its website, but it only listed source tarballs, which must be compiled. From past experience of trying to compile Gimp, I got into a major dependency mess where I gave up after several hours trying to download and compile one dependency after another. So after some searching, I found an article showing how to obtain the latest release compatible with Mint via the console and eventually I was got updated to Gimp 2.8. However, many users cringe at the thought of doing stuff via the console and I wouldn't be able to repeat this update process without referring back to the article.

So if a major Linux distribution could make software/driver updates as simple as downloading the latest release, double-clicking it and following a user-friendly wizard, I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a serious threat to Windows. As far as I'm aware of, no major Linux distro plans doing away with its start menu.

blegs38552

This might be true if people only wanted to surf the web and send email, but businesses and consumer use their PCs for much more than that. For example, I have yet to find a Linux program (and yes, I run Ubuntu on a separate partition) that comes close to giving me the control over my finances that Quicken does, or that is able to link to as many financial institutions. Ditto for taxes - show me a program for Linux that has the same power as Turbo Tax, and that can integrate with Quicken as seamlessly. Photo programs - yes, there is Gimp, but does that equate to Photoshop, or even Photoshop Elements (which I use because of it's great support for RAW files)? How about MP3 tag programs. audio and video file converters, support for downloading to my Zune player (or any MP3 player or cell phone)? Sorry - I like Ubuntu, but it is far from ready for prime time.

Seán

The problem Linux has at the moment is not enough users for major companies to consider making their products and device sync/management tools for Linux. Building up their user-base is tough, but having potentially fixable obstacles like I mentioned doesn't help, especially for trying to lure users who don't require all that Windows/Mac-only software or just use that software on another computer.

Take Facebook as an example (even though it's not an OS), I would imagine that company would face a similar problem if it did not attract enough users for major companies to consider setting up profiles on that social network. For example, if Facebook only attracted 1% of the social network market today, I'm sure we would be thinking the same that it never took off due to major companies such as Coca-cola, celebrities, etc. not having profiles on the network.

olddancer

Missed buying Microsoft stock in 1981 at 67 cents cause I was broke and didn't know better. Will pass on buying Microsoft at 67 cents in late 2012 cause I'm not broke and I now DO know better.

Kenshin

But Apple has the most to gain if that happens and you want to buy an Apple share at 1,000 * 67 cents? (Which is actually very close to the current Apple share price.)

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pinto2

Just to make things clear. I know you'r just repporting what M§ says. And it's not my intention to shoot "the messenger".

Off topic
Whatever M§ comes up with will be hacked. Sure, I respect the immateriall law. Can't say the same abouth my 2 kids. All they want is to hack M§. Might be a generation thing. Believe me, they are good, not even M§8 will be spared.
But, do I really care. Njet. Linux gives me all the safety I need.
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staringatthesky

We aren't angry because Microsoft is being innovative. We're angry because Microsoft is limiting access to something that a lot of us use and forcing something else down our throats that we will not use.

Kenshin

But there are some of the "we" who do use such features. I think Microsoft has more money to spend on market share analysis and prediction than an average PC user and so far they have done extremely well.

What I predict is Windows 8 will prove to be a major success even if most so-called power users continue to fill the web with billions of posts announcing "We Will NEVER Use Another Microsoft OS".

It's good to point out some so-called innovations seem to restrict innovative usage, but I see most of the threads and news about Microsoft's Windows 8 are being filled with all these anti-Metro posts. There are already many people using various pre-RTM and RTM versions of Windows 8 despite the Metro UI.

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xorsists

if you really hate that windows 8 boots into metro first download from stardock free beta and set it to not boot metro works great on the RTM.

but before you give up on windows 8 I would suggest learning the new OS it is faster than windows 7 and has lots of great features.

I was using stardock with windows 8 and i gave up on it because I really want to learn windows 8and I am glad I did it has a lot to offer with out the start menu pretty easy to learn.

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staringatthesky

I don't HATE that Windows 8 boots into the Metro interface ;it just annoys me. What I DO hate is that Microsoft are actively blocking great apps like Start Menu 7 and every other app like it. As far as I know Start8 is the only way to get a start menu on Windows 8. And I never said that I would never use a Microsoft product again. I am VERY eagerly awaiting the Windows 8 tablet and I have every intention of trying out Windows 8. I have the consumer preview I just haven't gotten around to trying it yet.

http://www.myce.com/news/microsoft-b...ndows-8-62998/
"Microsoft recently released Windows 8 to their manufacturing partners, and leaked versions of the operating system are providing more clues to Microsoft’s long term strategy with the operating system. One of the most controversial features of the new system is the Start page, formerly known as Metro. Many end users are less than thrilled with this interface and have been finding ways around it, including batch files to boot straight to the legacy desktop found within Win 8. But Microsoft has been plugging holes, and it seems many of the workarounds developed in the preview editions will not work in the final version released to manufacturers."

http://www.geek.com/articles/news/mi...ws-8-20120531/
"But now it appears that Microsoft is taking things a step further. According to Paul Thurrott, Microsoft has been busily yanking out all sorts of legacy code from Windows 8 in the run-up to its launch. And that legacy code includes every last bit of the Start Menu. With that code uprooted, you might have no other choice than to get used to the Metro experience."

http://www.osnews.com/story/26022/MS..._in_Windows_8/
"Microsoft has been furiously ripping out legacy code in Windows 8 that would have enabled third parties to bring back the Start button, Start Menu, and other software bits that could have made this new OS look and work like its predecessor. In fact, I've seen that several well-known UI hacks that worked fine with the Windows 8 Consumer Preview are no longer functional in the coming Release Preview. And those with hopes that Microsoft would allow businesses, at least, to boot directly to the desktop should prepare for disappointment. That feature not only isn't happening, it's being removed from Windows Server 12 (Windows 8's stable mate) as well." When you buy a new machine later this year, you will use Metro, an environment wholly inferior, incomplete, and not at all ready to replace the traditional desktop in any way, shape, or form. Whether you like it or not."

staringatthesky

Microsoft can officially kiss mt #@*!
Windows 8 is the most useless piece of crap I have ever tried to use in my entire life.
I downloaded the Windows 8 consumer preview image from Microsoft. When you download the consumer preview Microsoft doesn't say one word about needing a licence code. But you do - You run into this brick wall were the installer demands that you enter your licence code and it won't let you go any further until you do. What damn licence code?
I checked every where on the Microsoft web site and I could not find any mention of a licence code. I spent at last an hour scouring the internet trying one licence code after another all of which were rejected by the installer. These were licence code from legitimate site NOT from pirate sites!
I finally found a licence code that works and then guess what?
This piece of excrement does not allow you to choose where it is installed! When you hit install it installs over your Windows 7 installation. Period.
Not cool. Not cool at all.
Needless to say I will N ON T be buyoing Windows 8. Microsoft can go straight to hell as far as I'm concerned.

StormJumper

Windows 8 is not about choices of the consumer, I take that back we have the right to choose not to use it.

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Kenshin

So you'd prefer Windows 1.0 to Windows 8 if you had to choose between the two.

This is a tragic example of why user reviews on open web need to be seriously controlled and so-called news reporters need to be censored - including those working for and writing on CNET and Engadget.

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WTexSkeptic

^This is the most shocking and ill-conceived idea in the whole thread. Somewhere in Virginia, Jefferson and Madison are spinning in their graves.

StormJumper

Yeah but the thing about that is everyone is entitled to their opinions whether we like it or not and it doesn't matter if it is a user review or a reporter for the news media.

Controlling what someone says through censorship is nothing more then a violation of the basic human right of freedom of speech and press.

Tis just my .02¢
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Kenshin

I know you are presenting your post as an opinion, but you obviously knew what I meant was hardly about about limiting human right or freedom of speech.

Most posts here and most other related threads are simple spamming against Microsoft either repeating the same "I don't want to buy any Microsoft product" or "I hate that new interface" endlessly and hardly discussing other features introduced or changed in Windows 8. At any rate, web user reviews and community forum posts cannot count much as most are anonymous and cannot be proven and held accountable. It is not easy to control, but it's better to find some better methods to analyze and synthesize the data regarding customer opinions and preferences. Just because there are so many "I hate Microsoft" posts should be not be a basis of concluding "Microsoft is EVIL" but that's been basically the function of these web communities.

As for freedom of press, do you seriously think an average news reporter at computer hardware and software website has so much right to be so much biased? How do you check that power?

If you don't like the word censorship, you could have just interpreted it as education, or enlightenment.

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StormJumper

Hi Kenshin

All I'm saying is that everyone has the right to speak their mind and my reply was my opinion based on your statement which was your opinion as well, and there is or was nothing else intended.

SJ

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Kenshin

It must have been apparent nobody could have prevented or prohibited any of the posters above, including you and myself, from adding one more Microsoft bashing post. It is unreasonable for anyone to suspect whether I mentioned "control" or "censorship" or not would reduce the total amount of all the trillions of anti-Microsoft or anti-Windows 8 posts. I do not even have the moderating power on this forum and surely my post was not related to any CIA or FTC intervention. Well, I'm not related to Microsoft, either, except in that I translated some of the Korean-language editions of Windows and Office help files and I bought a few copies, and some licenses through purchase of laptops and smartphones.

The very fact that so many posters on the web communities and under the news articles of various websites including CNN and BBC have posted against Samsung, Apple, Microsoft, or any other large corporation or politician encourages more anonymous posters to add to the already very misleading and chaotic flames that are mostly senseless, purposeless, unproductive, and it also presents wrong and very distorted sense of reality. Such mass of posts make constructive and helpful posting impossible in most cases and most places.

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