Breaking: At least 20 wounded in shooting at Colorado movie theater

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More information here:

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/20/us...html?hpt=hp_t1

http://news.sky.com/story/962756/fou...-film-premiere

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bigmike7

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I totally agree - and this type of violence is becoming all too frequent-eh!!

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marloyd

That's a shame the jerk should of just blow his own head off why do what he did.It's just plane crazy, should feed him to the ants slowly. Am I sick or what.

ChristineBCW

Not sick at all. Cowards. That's all these critters are. Cowards. Instead of being politically correct and oh-so-sensitive, I wish the publicity pendulum would swing away from political-correctness and make sure these cowards know that's all they'll ever be considered. Not heroes, not martyrs, not sickos that need their widdle diapers changed - they're JUST cowards.

Wombler

The totals have been revised and the latest is that around 50 have been shot and out of those 12 people have died.

The BBC has more on this here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492


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Albert

This angers and saddens me.

cholla

Part of the problem is laws are made that "infringe" on the "right to bear arms" .
Try to exercise this Constitutional right without getting arrested . States are allowed to make laws that "infringe" upon this right.
Some like Texas allow concealed carry by permit which is good but costs quite a bit.
The only permit that should be required is the US Constitution meaning No permit required of any US citizen here in the US.
Why go into this in a topic like this ?
If the other patrons of the movie had been allowed to freely use this Constitutional right you can be sure some would have been armed.Those could have stopped the murderer before more were killed .
Of course there is the danger of friendly fire but the same applies if SWAT shows up.

Like most of us citizens that would be pretty constantly armed I can't afford the legal fight in court to assert my Constitutional right . So I don't carry a gun most of the time.
The modern government thinking is there is law enforcement armed to protect us . So we don't need to be armed. This shooting is just one more example of why the second amendment was written in the Constitution . Law enforcement of any level can't be in all places at all times to protect citizens. That is why we are supposed to be armed so we can protect ourselves. The founding fathers realized this . Modern politicians don't have that much common sense . Except for themselves . The President doesn't go out in public without armed SS agents . He doesn't need to be armed himself but should be.

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Gummigutta

These shootings always reminds me of the words from Miss Spencer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...da_Ann_Spencer

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cholla

The updated news said the murderer had on a bullet proof vest .
This would not have necessarily stopped another armed citizen from shooting & stopping the murderer .
Shots to the upper thigh can be deadly especially multiple shots. That would usually be the safest shot to make crouched behind theater seats. Of course a head shot would work too.
The news as always in cases like this said connection to militias was being checked out.
So far no connection has been found to militias . I don't believe any of the multiple shootings have ever directly connected a shooter( murder) like this to a militia. If anything it would have been a militia member that would have been armed & possibly stopped the shooter. If any had been at this movie & were armed.
The government likes to try to put blame toward militias any time they can . Usually militia members are law abiding citizens feed up with the direction the US government is going.
Also checked has been association with a terrorist group If any such connection has ever been found it has never been a terrorist group of US citizens .

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UTR

Crazy people do crazy things. If we could rationalize their behavior then they probably wouldn't be crazy. IMO, this is a great example as to why more people should carry firearms. If one person near him had been carrying a gun then this might have ended with far less people getting hurt. A person that is driven to kill people will find a way to do it no matter what laws are passed or on the books.

In 1966 Charles Whitman killed 16 people and wounded 32 more. This shooting isn't anything new. Mass murder isn't anything new. It has been happening for tens of thousands of years. If anything, the mass murder rate has been decreasing considering how many people are alive on the planet today.

Watch the politicians start to crawl out from under their rocks and try to make political hay from this tragedy. We have plenty of laws on the books to handle this situation but they will propose more in an effort to push a political agenda. Especially since this is an election year.

If people really want to protect themselves in these types of situations then buy a gun, learn to use it and get a concealed carry permit.

samlar

I would not want to go to a theater where people can carry guns. All it takes is one person getting mad who has a gun and you have people killed. Or a person who thinks he knows what is right like George Zimmerman and someone child gets killed. This person had a AK47 why do we allow people to own guns like this. More people with guns is not the answer and this is from a person who has own guns all his life.
Lets say we had 50 people in there with guns for protection then you could have had 50 people trying to kill this person and I am sure more would have got killed.
I do agree with UTR a person like this will find a way to kill.

samlar

was not a ak47 but a ar-15

UTR

On the reverse, it only takes one person with a gun to stop a person/people from being killed. People like this loon seek out a target rich environment where he won't be challenged. If just one person near him was carrying a gun, and was trained to use it, he would have never had a chance to shoot so many people.

When the gun ban ended in Washington, DC many anti-gun people predicted an increase in the crime rate. It always does the opposite in these situations. DC's crime rate lowered much more than the national crime rate after the gun ban was lifted.

The Zimmerman situation is one of self defense. It isn't vigilante justice. Also, Martin was not a child. He had a record and was kicked off the school bus for violence and kicked out of school more than once for drug possession. The reason we don't hear about Martin's past is that it doesn't fit the narrative the press wants to push on the public.

Life has inherent risks. I know that if I were in that theater I would have been praying that someone had a gun to pull out and shoot this lunatic dead. I would rather take my chances getting hit with a stay bullet from an upstanding citizen than let a loon with an AR-15 and two handguns wade through the crowd shooting people at random.

Carrying a gun isn't for everyone but I think any citizen that doesn't have a criminal record should be allowed to do so. If just 1-2% of the people in that theater had been carrying then far fewer people would have been shot. Of this I am sure.

Many people think that stuff like this can be prevented but, IMO, the cost to our personal freedom would be too great to even make a dent in it. The only way to remotely stop a situation like this one from occurring would be to ban personal ownership of firearms and this would require wiping out a major component of the Constitution. Then there are numerous ways a person can commit mass murder that would be even more effective than walking into a crowded theater armed to the teeth. The best solution is to have enough people in the general population carrying a gun so that one or two will be in locations where this type of situation develops.

One thing I know that I don't need is government trying to stick its nose in my business anymore than it does already.

samlar

Lets get the story correct Martin was not kicked out of any school he was suspended three times.

1. had a bag with baggie that contained marijuana residue no drugs found
2 Suspended for being late to school
3. For writing WTF on walls.

Give me a break one of my grandkids and be suspended more that this and some of his was for fighting Zimmerman had no right stopping him and will be found guilty of second degree murder when it is all said and done.

You would have saved more lives if the person who did the shooting could have only got a gun that would shoot only one shot at a time and not have clips with more that 6 shots.

Ask the people in Alabama who got shot by a person through a bar window by a person with an assault gun. Had this person had a six shooter this picture of a father would not be on the news today

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samlar

It funny if you even watch the old westerns on TV you see how towns had to pass laws to keep people from carry guns but today we think that the answer to our problem. There is not answer to killings like this a person who wants to kill people will all we can do is make it harder on him by limiting how he gets to things that kill.

cholla

US citizens really have a right to be armed with guns or other weapons period .
It is a Constitutional right .Any law made that Infringes on this is unconstitutional.
Just because the average citizen doesn't have the means to fight it out in court doesn't change that.
What you see in movie westerns doesn't accurately portray what most places did .
They didn't keep citizens from carrying guns usually any more than they had regular gunfights in the street.
Just one reason the US citizens are supposed to have this right is to keep government in control . This means we the people have the right to as good of guns as the military or police have. Because that is in theory who we might need to use them against.
I heard Obama say his daughters go to movie theaters . IF that is true(I'm skeptical) you can bet the SS agents protecting them aren't only carrying six shooters. You can be fairly sure there are even ones around with fully automatic weapons. Average citizens should have equal protection . If the will assign several SS agents to protect me in the same way 24/7 I won't worry about carrying a gun. Seems like there weren't any SS agents in this theater protecting we the people. That is why any that wanted to should have been able to exercise their right to bear arms.
For other nations & their citizens they make their own laws or have them made for them. Changing that is up to them. This happened in America to Americans . So it is our business as to who should be or have been armed.
So if you are an American samlar what you are advocating is unconstitutional . Something that can only be changed by a 3/4 majority popular vote of the people.
That takes some doing that is why there have been so few amendments.
If your not an American & live in another nation don't worry about it . I doubt any armed Americans are coming for you . There are some exceptions but if it was up to me & a lot of us the US would have stayed a lot more out of other nations business. The problem is our government is out of control & we the people haven't gotten feed up enough with it. When we do & if we're not to late you will see a lot more killing here of both guilty & innocent.

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samlar

Bull it is not unconstitutional we have always had gun control laws even one stopping the sale of assault guns.

(So if you are an American samlar ) You know I am an American i live In Arkansas and can show you my birth cert. if you want it. Funny how some people always think you are not American if you do not go along with what they think should be an American. I am a very conservative American who thinks we have the right to bear arms but there has always been limits on this and it is constitutional.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I am all for this Second Amendment but since the days of the old west it has always been the right for states,cities and the country to put limits as it should be.


Look at the picture tell that dad what you told me see what he thinks.

UTR

In the overwhelming majority of states it is perfectly legal for a person to open carry a properly registered gun. Doing so might get you questioned by about every cop you see but it isn't illegal for a person with no past restrictions such as being convicted of a felony to open carry. Wearing a concealed weapon requires a permit in most states/cities. Forty-three states have specifically reaffirmed the rights of their citizens to bear arms. A recent US Supreme court decision has overturned the ban of firearms in Washington, DC and Chicago.

cholla

I would have no problem telling this to anyone.

I didn't have any idea where you live . I put my actual location under my avatar so there is no doubt.

Any law that the federal ,state ,counties , or cities make that infringes on the right to bear arms is unconstitutional. Period. The fact that they have done it doesn't change that. Only another amendment can change this & that hasn't been done.
Prohibition is an example of what is necessary to make a change .
When that proved to be a wrong decision an amendment had to be done to change the Constitution back . That is the only way this can legally be done.
No such action has been done on the second amendment. Therefore all laws that infringe upon it are unconstitutional .
The states do have a right to have game control laws but this only applies to those that are actively hunting game with a particular gun. In other words I can go target shooting with an unplugged shotgun .In an area where there are birds that would require I have a plugged shotgun usually 3 shell limit. As long as I'm not shooting any birds I can have an unplugged shot gun. The state has no right to infringe upon my rights.
Bear in mind that the Constitution doesn't say government regulated militia .
There is also a comma that separates sentence. The right of the people is not to be regulated to do so is an Infringement.

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samlar

And I agree with this UTR. I also think it is the right of any business to day not in my place. The Washington DC case was correct I have a right to have a gun but limits have to be set or we would have people with machine guns and such. Limit the number of shells a gun can load at one time is not bad a thing, but again some would think it is, that the good thing about this country we do not have to agree and states, cities and other can set limits

Kerry56

Turning a news story about a tragic event like this into a gun debate is disrespectful to the victims and their families. This thread is temporarily closed until placed under review.

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