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Old Posted: 03-11-2006
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Thanks to beatrice and Sen helping to get the firmware. The media code list is identical to the list of the LITE-ON DVDRW LH-18A1P GL0B firmware.
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DVD+R   supported media types:   63
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INFOME   R30-000 6x
This 16x rated media is only supported @6x? Anyway, Mediatek based drives don't like that MID...

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Hmmm... Well, bottom-line is, the new BenQ DW1805 still looks a lot nicer than the Liteon LH-18A1P, and it has "Solid Burn". The question is, even though its a MediaTek chipset, is it any good? As long as there is a read-speed hack out, and it burns well, I think it could be a nice drive? I use my DVD-RW drives mainly for a backup device, not movie backups. I shoot a lot of pix with my dSLR in RAW format, and wanna make sure I don't lose any data. High Quality burns and a fast read-speed are #1's for me. (hence why I loved the BenQ's)
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This 16x rated media is only supported @6x? Anyway, Mediatek based drives don't like that MID...
I think LH18A1P supports INFOME R30 @16x.
http://dvd-r.jpn.org/LH-18A1P/speed/...ILIPS_P16x.png

but, "OPTODISC R16" and "RITEK R04" are only supported @2.4x-4x-6x.
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High Quality burns and a fast read-speed are #1's for me. (hence why I loved the BenQ's)
Then it's time to go LG!

No, but seriously, I wonder what the SolidBurn looks like. If the LiteOn guys finally improved it to be as manageable as Autostrategy is, it would be really cool
I wonder whether I should grab one of the last BenQ DW1650 off the shop shelves? As the only other CD scanning DVD burner would be Optiarc, which apparently suffers from accuracy problems too...
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This 16x rated media is only supported @6x? Anyway, Mediatek based drives don't like that MID...

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Look again , there are other 16X media that are only supported @ 6X in the new Benq : LGEP16 and OPTODISC R16

Also , the only brand supported for 18X is TY , no Verbatim or Sony 18X support .
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Thanks to beatrice and Sen helping to get the firmware. The media code list is identical to the list of the LITE-ON DVDRW LH-18A1P GL0B firmware.
I think the ZB34 firmware's media code list is identical to Liteon 181AP GL03(not GLOB). It only supports 6x writing speed with INFOME R30.
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That was no typo, the ZB34 media code list is identical to GL0B.
@2601: You can confirm 6x max write speed with GL03 for INFORME R30 ?
@thia@9: You can confirm 6x max write speed with GL03 for OPTODISC R16 and RITEK R04 ?

Most scans made here were made with Overspeed Writing enabled.
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That was no typo, the ZB34 media code list is identical to GL0B.
@2601: You can confirm 6x max write speed with GL03 for INFORME R30 ?
@thia@9: You can confirm 6x max write speed with GL03 for OPTODISC R16 and RITEK R04 ?

Most scans made here were made with Overspeed Writing enabled.
Does this mean I can use MCSE to flash the Liteon to a BenQ 1800? Is it supported yet?
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Hmmm... Well, bottom-line is, the new BenQ DW1805 still looks a lot nicer than the Liteon LH-18A1P, and it has "Solid Burn". The question is, even though its a MediaTek chipset, is it any good? As long as there is a read-speed hack out, and it burns well, I think it could be a nice drive? I use my DVD-RW drives mainly for a backup device, not movie backups. I shoot a lot of pix with my dSLR in RAW format, and wanna make sure I don't lose any data. High Quality burns and a fast read-speed are #1's for me. (hence why I loved the BenQ's)
It doesn't look a lot nicer to me, considering that they're the same drive (besides Lightscribe in the 1805 vs. 1800)...
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Does this mean I can use MCSE to flash the Liteon to a BenQ 1800? Is it supported yet?
MCSE is no flasher. Also do not expect the Benq firmware to produce better results or having better or other features than the original Liteon firmware.
I will add support for the Liteon LH-18A1P/LH-18A1H drives and their AOpen/Benq clones in the next MCSE release.
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It doesn't look a lot nicer to me, considering that they're the same drive (besides Lightscribe in the 1805 vs. 1800)...
I agree scoobiedoobie, now if I can fiqure out what flasher to use to make the Liteon into a BenQ 1800, I will be happy. Newegg has them for 29.99 free shipping, so the faceplate will not make a big difference as far as I am concerned.
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MCSE is no flasher. Also do not expect the Benq firmware to produce better results or having better or other features than the original Liteon firmware.
I will add support for the Liteon LH-18A1P/LH-18A1H drives and their AOpen/Benq clones in the next MCSE release.
Thanks Ala42, that will be great. I wonder if Quikees flasher will work on this drive. According to worker, who crossflashed this Liteon into a BenQ 1800, it now supports QSuite.
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Most scans made here were made with Overspeed Writing enabled.
Thanks for that link. Very informative.
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Quikee's flasher will not work, but C0deKings Flash Utility should allow flashing. That does not mean the crossflashed drive works. Probably changes to the eeprom are necessary.
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I don't see too much reason to crossflash, since it appears we are talking about the same drive and the same firmware/write strategies. And the QSuite and SmartBurn utilities both offer very similar functionality, just different terms being used. WOPC/Smartburn, Solidburn/Hypertuning, Overspeed/Overspeed. QSuite does offer QScan, if this drive supports it. Otherwise I don't see a difference in one or the other. I think I'd actually prefer the drive in its Liteon form for use with DVDScan if I wanted to use it. I see that the quick lead-out function works with this drive, although I've never used that myself. Am I missing something here that makes it advantageous to crossflash it to a Benq?
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I don't see too much reason to crossflash, since it appears we are talking about the same drive and the same firmware/write strategies. And the QSuite and SmartBurn utilities both offer very similar functionality, just different terms being used. WOPC/Smartburn, Solidburn/Hypertuning, Overspeed/Overspeed. QSuite does offer QScan, if this drive supports it. Otherwise I don't see a difference in one or the other. I think I'd actually prefer the drive in its Liteon form for use with DVDScan if I wanted to use it. I see that the quick lead-out function works with this drive, although I've never used that myself. Am I missing something here that makes it advantageous to crossflash it to a Benq?
Yes the advantage of using QSuite 2.1 and being able to overspeed and disable the WOPC. If this can be done as worker has shown above this would be a great advantage.
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Yes the advantage of using QSuite 2.1 and being able to overspeed and disable the WOPC. If this can be done as worker has shown above this would be a great advantage.
The Smartburn utility provides features which function in a similar manner to QSuite such as Overspeeding and WOPC. And with this drive I'm guessing it is the EXACT same, just a different name to the same function regardless of which firmware you are using. Are you familiar with what the Smartburn Utility for current Liteon drives is? I don't see any real advantage of one drive over the other.
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The Smartburn utility provides features which function in a similar manner to QSuite such as Overspeeding and WOPC. And with this drive I'm guessing it is the EXACT same, just a different name to the same function regardless of which firmware you are using. Are you familiar with what the Smartburn Utility for current Liteon drives is? I don't see any real advantage of one drive over the other.
No scoobie, I have not bought a Liteon since the 1673, so I never really got to experience the Smartburn Utility. I will try it as a Liteon first and then crossflash to BenQ 1800 to see the difference. Maybe there is no difference but for 29.99 I will take the chance and experiment.
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No scoobie, I have not bought a Liteon since the 1673, so I never really got to experience the Smartburn Utility. I will try it as a Liteon first and then crossflash to BenQ 1800 to see the difference. Maybe there is no difference but for 29.99 I will take the chance and experiment.
I agree for $30 it's hardly a big risk. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Benq fan. I'm just being realistic from how I'm seeing things here, they are the afterall the same physical drive and the same firmware essentially. The Smartburn utility is basically an imitation of the main functions of QSuite and was introduced about the time that news of Benq being bought out. I would be very suprised if either utility held any advantage when it comes to their basic WOPC/SB/OS-type functions and I expect that they'll perform the same. Overspeeding in QSuite had no limit all the way to 16x while SmartBurn was held to overspeeding one full speed above normal speeds, however that advantage may or may not exist with the new drive. QSuite offers QScan but then Liteon has the DVDScan utility with similar functions. And jitter measurements for Liteon drives have existed since DVDScan was introduced and also with the latest CD-DVD Speed.

Believe me, I'd love to find that the Benq variety of this drive would offer performance advantages, but I'm very much doubting they'll really be any different from each other. I'll be suprised if you find differing performance between the two but I'll be interested in your findings.

P.S. - I would not be suprised if we see a new utility that possibly replaces both at some point now that Benq is owned by Liteon and both utilities exist for similar functions.
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is the 1800 or 1805 for sale yet in europe?
Old Posted: 05-11-2006
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Only the 1800 as the Liteon crossflash i believe.

I will wait for a while untill the benq retail becomes buyable as i dont like the boring old liteon face plates.
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Old Posted: 12-11-2006
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LH-18A1P@DW1800 tests here http://homepage2.nifty.com/yss/lh18a...dw1800_top.htm.

Looks like Lite-on/Benq made the implementation of Solidburn and other features of the past nexperia based drives to support Mediatek.
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One question: does the 1800 drive support overburning? Like 1650 did... this may be a useful feature .
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Crossflashed my LH-18A1P to BenQ DW1800 with CodeKing's flasher version of ZB34. As ala42 has pointed out earlier, there is no added advantage. The drive behaves just like a 18A1P. Jitter only shows up when scanning at 4X with CDSpeed and the ADQ function does not work. Qscan is missing in QSuite. OTOH, you can set SB and OS within CDSpeed. DVDScan and Kprobe also work with the drive but not SmartBurn.

LH-18A1P @ BenQ DW1800 ZB34 SB+OS+WOPC all activated
Imation 16X DVD-R mid: CMC MAG AM3 @12X
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1. Scanned @4X with CDSpeed
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Spec-wise, maybe it's a rebadged Liteon 160P6S, as it burns at 16x and doesn't have DVD-RAM support.
Not likely....
DW1680 support 12x DVD-RAM
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