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MCC003 has many PIF's at only 12x and even fails at 8x? What kind of MCC003 is that?

well, that's a fake MCC i suppose... or even sure of...
Matrix DVD+R 4x.. is the brand name... sure it's not verbatim... just a fake verbatim...

but the disaster is when i write my REAL Verbatim DVD-R 16X MCC 03RG20 on a 16X Speed!!! the first was an unreadable coaster... and the second was full of PIFs beyond the 3000MB line!!! it reached 70-80 PIFs near the end!!!
though, my Verbatim DVD-R 08X MCC 02RG20 burnt really well on 8X, with a PIE average of 7.xx & PIF maximum of 1, and an average about 0.77, the scan was made using a SONY combo, CRX-320EE, so, the real scans using some BENQ or LITE-ON DVD burner would be even better i think.. and as the 16X media cost me more than the 8X... well, the LG well bring me into ruins

+100.000

Yikes looks like the 4167B DL12 needs some serious work on this media code, can anyone else confirm this brutal result?

only have ProdiscF02... sorry..
well, if u have more of the ProdiscS03, does it perform well with 4163??

TYG01.....4147B DL12...
and next flower...

well, yeah, but believe me THAT is NOTHING!!!

take a look at this one... a FAKE TY, HYUNDAI DVD+R burned on 8X, i burned the first a month ago on 8x, and it didnt give >4 PIF until 3.5GB limit....but this!!!! this was a week a go, the last DVD+R i tried to burn before RMAing the 4163b, anyway they didn't give me a new one, they said the lens was defective, and it was replaced... and the drive is only 2 months old!!! well THEY SUCK ok...

LG really need to get into PI/PO scanning... it's needed.
As for my new 4167B DL12:
Up-to-date MediaCode/Speed in firmware please!
Riplock REMOVED (should be a 16x DVD-ROM not 6-10x (DL-SL))BenQ DW1640 do 12-16x
Region code Free, I tought that was over...
Increased quality burning on cheaper brand..
Better support for SafeDisc

GSA-4167B
I tested two drives, under Windows and Linux, with many burner software, but the result is the same, when I burn Audio CD: the cd players can't play the songs from the beginning of the first track. From the second track there is no problem. From any second of the first track, there is no problem. The cd-text is ok. But nothing can play the cd from the beginning of the first track, except the computers.
It would be great, if in the next firmware it would be fixed.
Thank you

Philips DVD+RW 8X (RicohJPNW21) disc burned @8X with my LG 4166 (1.01) shows a poor quality (when scanned on my BenQ 1620 firmware B7W9).

But quality is good when burned @4X.

Well in fact, sometimes I have a good quality with Nero Burning ROM.
I was using Nero CD-DVD Speed that maybe have problem with erasing/burning those discs ?

I wish that LG would fix the Audio CD problem that causes "Hi-Fi" CD players not to start / play track one when using the GSA-4167B writer.

Maybe it's a Nero 7 related issue ? try Nero 6.6.0.18.

no the Lg4165/4167b audio cd is a bug, hope it get fixed in DL13
DL12 is a few months old tho...

New, better adjusted firmware for GSA-2164D/2166D/4164B/4166B.
The jitter-values are very high (tested with media from Verbatim, TaiyoYuden, TDK, Ritek, Maxell, ...).
Best values scanned with Benq DW1620 (B7W9) and CD-DVD-Speed 4.10:
Jitter avg.: 10,52 - 11,75 %
Jitter max.: 14,2 - 16,9%.
-> Many problems with different standalone-DVD-player.

Improvements to GSA-4167b firmware, the drive don't burn a audio cd compatible with old sound systems!
See the link to know about this problem.
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=156341&page=1

LG is #1 in use, it's also the only one which never replied to emails from VSO. When NEC, Pioneer, Lite-ON, Plextor, and BenQ are quite nice to help us to support their newest drives and technologies, LG doesn't feel concerned about alternative software developers. If any unmentioned manufacturer wants to collaborate to use this database or help VSO to provide better support, they may contact us (see contact section).

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/12870

http://www.vso-software.fr/articles/...edia-brand.php

Improve your communication.

Provide quickly an official firmware update for LG 4166...

Some 1.01 firmware preinstalled in factory are buggy with original DVD (DVD not readable). Several 1.01 firmwares with different internal date exists !

I had a problem today with a previously used Optodisc W004 DVD-RW 4x media, which refused to full erase on my 4163B A105. Normally I can init a full erase on the most screwed up media by starting the erase in Nero Express and choosing the full erase option from the More -> Erase Disc function. In this case, the drive started the full erase, then stopped and ejected the disc. When I reinserted it into the drive, it hung both the drive (activity light flashing every second or so) and cd-speed as well as other IDE-related components like my VIA RAID tool.

The same operation completed normally on my DVR-110D 1.37. I will provide a quality test of the media after both a full erase, and test burn on both drives (hopefully) to provide further comparison. Needless to say this is a bit disappointing as LG's have always been my drives to fix RW media with in the past.

Well the media isn't in great shape and has an obvious defect but the 4163B A105 does have competitive error levels to the DVR-110D. Unfortunately it also drops a POF bomb on the defective area which the DVR-110D handles without anything but a PIF spike. So besides the initial handling of DVD-RW in partially corrupted states, the 4163B could also use some work keeping error spikes under control before they get out of hand and coaster the media. I'll run the same tests on my 4167B DL12 with this disc and see if the newer gen. models are any smarter.

I emailed twice customerservice@lge.com and got 2 answer from the same email admin

For assistance with your computer-related inquiry, please call our Computer Support Department at 1-800-243-0000 or 256-772-1515.
Please make sure your computer is accessible when you call in order for our technicians to assist you. Our Computer Support
Technicians are available 24 hours per day, 7 days per week.

Well I wished to have answers to my questions, I no need support to install the drive...
they could have put an auto-reply on the email side and would have been the same

As a followup to my earlier posting with the Optodisc W004 media, it also burned with similar quality and no POF's on my DW1640 BSOB.

Here's another media code (BenQ branded) in some serious pain with DL12 on the 4167B. I've posted a burn from the same spindle on the DW1640 BSOB to give you an idea what the media is capable of.

It also burned some low end Kodak DVD+R media (AML 001) very badly in comparison to my PX-716A 1.09, results are attached.

On the positive side, I will say that this drive does handle non-TY media using the TYG02 better than most any drive I have seen.

On the other hand, the 4120B A117 does not handle this Dataware DVD-R 8x media (TYG02 code) very well. PIE rates are comparable to other burners that handle this media well, but PIFs are out of control and there are POF's even on this low speed 4x scan.

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Last edited by cbjwthwm; 04-01-2006 at 06:09. Reason: grammer fixz

As you can see in the attached scan, CMC MAG AM3 media shows a consistent pattern of rather strange jitter fluctuations at some OPC points. The Philips branded media in this case is of noticeably lower quality than the Memorex branded disc I posted in the follow link, which exhibits the same OPC jitter variation:

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread....8&page=2&pp=25

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Last edited by cbjwthwm; 04-01-2006 at 06:17. Reason: better link