LG GSA-H10L Scan

Renesas chipset?
then how come it has LightScribe?
i thought that the Renesas chipset doesn't support LS, which is why the other LG drives (that have LS) are Panasonic chipset!
i'm confused

You're not the only one. LG is doing some crazy things here I can only speculate on what is going on, though. It looks like a Renesas chipset drive from the evidence gathered on this new model so far. We won't know for sure till someone opens up the drive and takes a picture of the chipset inside.

it also seems to be a Renesas chipset since it's a H10L.
the H20N/L are Panasonic
the H10A/N are Renesas.
so it stands to reason that the H10L is Renesas as well.
if so, it would be the first Renesas LG drive to support LS. maybe a new version of the Renesas chipset ?

10L uses Renesas R8J32018FPV chips(pic 2), same as 10A/N. The difference
between 10L and 10A/N is only 10L(pic 3) has a sensor for LS and 10A/N
(pic 4) don't. So, crossflashing 10A/N to 10L can't add LightScribe ability.

thanks for the confirmation 2601.
saves me the trouble of opening up my H10L (which i'm due to get tomorrow )

still the question remains: if the Renesas chipset is LS capable, why didn't LG use it for the previous LS drives but used the Panasonic chipset ?

Thanks again 2601 for the pictures and clarification

dodecahedron : Good question. My two guesses :

1. Licensing issues
LG developed their first lightscribe drives in cooperation with HP. I've heard that this is the reason why HP's version of the 4166B came out first - part of the deal. Perhaps LG was only allowed to use the technology in cooperation with HP up till now.

2. LG got annoyed witht he Panasonic chipset
Most LG writers up till the 4166B were all Renesas chipset driven (ignoring various OEM models). Perhaps LG has simply gotten tired of their experiment with Panasonic chipsets and decided to go back to Renesas. I must admit though, LG got more out of Panasonic's chipsets than any other ODD manufacturer, including Panasonic itself.

All this is idle speculation. Who knows what goes on in LG?

Or maybe Renesas (owned by Hitachi and Mitsubishi) had not a LS chip ready in time to use with the older drives
But other odd manufacturers had chips with LS, so they had to use other manufacturer's chip.

My scan, verbatim burned at 8x.

Sony brand burned at 8x

Mitsubishi +R 16x
MCC004 @16x

That's -R 16x
TYG03 @16x

Upon closer inspection of the H10L bitsetting properties in Nero, it shows that the bitsetting for RW in not applicable. Although it shows the book type for DVD+DL as DVD-Rom, I have to question it. I tried to burn a backup of one of my DVD's on Verbatim +DL media and it would not play on my home entertainment DVD player. Burned a backup copy using my BenQ 1640 and it was fine.

no bitesetting for DVD+RW, well, that was expected
thanks for checking up on that.

the DVD+RDL that you burned, can you check if indeed it is booktyped DVD-ROM with CDSpeed ?

I checked the +R DL disk with CDSpeed and the book type indicated as DVD+RDL. I burned DVD+R that showed up as an DVD-ROM. But the quality was lousy with a great deal of hangups and glitches.

Hmm ok. That is a little odd. It is possible that the automatic booktyping doesn't quite work for DVD+R DL media, although I can't understand quite how. If you do another burn of a DVD+R DL disc, try burning using ImgBurn instead of Nero and manually set the booktype to DVD-ROM.

As for those DVD+R discs, what kind of discs did you use?

not to sound rude, but how did you check in CDSpeed the booktype ?
did you use the Disc Info tab?
because in the main (Benchmark) tab the info displayed is either book-type or disc-type, dpeneding on a setting in preferences. same goes for the Disc Quality tab i think.

I used the Disk Info tab. The disk that I used is HP DVD+R. I was burning the disk with the Clone DVD application. Im thinking that this unit is about to be returned to the store.

did you set up the software ( CloneDVD) to booktype the disc as -ROM?
this isn't autmoatically done by the drive, you know.

RITEKR05 12x PCAV (limit)

Scan.

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MCC03RG20 16x CAV

Scan.

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MCC004 16x PCAV

Scan.

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TYG03 16x PCAV

Scan.

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YUDEN000T02 8x@12x ZCLV

Scan.

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Not too bad a burn....

The only thing that CloneDVD will allow you to change is the burning engine. The BenQ 1640 that I have burns at a default booktype of DVD-ROM for +R, RW and +R/DL. I can get around the booktype problem on H10L if I use DVDDecrypter to burn an image to my HDD then onto the media. That whole process is a pain compared to burning on my BenQ, where I can use Clone DVD and put the source in and the target media in and click start without additional intervention.