Differences between 4163B, 4165B, 4167B, 4168B?

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Posted: 04-09-2005

mobilenvidia (CD Freaks Member): Posts: 101

4167B dimensions:

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Dimensions W x D x H (mm) 146 x 170 x 41.3 670gm

4166B dimensions:

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Dimensions W x D x H (mm) 146 x 184.6 x 41.3 900gm

4165B dimensions:

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Dimensions W x D x H (mm) 146 x 170 x 41.3 ???gm

4163B dimensions:

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Dimensions W X D X H (mm) 146 x 184.6 x 41.3 920gm

The 4165B and 4167B look to be identical.
The 4167B, 4166B and 4163B specs are from LG website.
The online specs for the 4165B are wrong my drive is 170mm long, not 184.6mm as stated.

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Posted: 04-09-2005

mobilenvidia (CD Freaks Member): Posts: 101

4166B specs are now on US LG site here : http://us.lge.com/Product/proddetail...e=1&perPage=10

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Posted: 06-09-2005

Ronny@Home (New on Forum): Posts: 14

Just take a look here: http://www.hlds.co.jp/e_products/HLD...-Multi%20Drive

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Posted: 15-09-2005

Rob_NZ (New on Forum): Posts: 27

Well my 4163B is on backorder... I wonder should i get the later version drive instead?
Also from www.ascent.co.nz

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Posted: 15-09-2005

Rob_NZ (New on Forum): Posts: 27

Id be annoyed if they substituted a different model without consultation.
How are the burns so far?
Ive just seen a 4167B review that shows worse performance on RICOH 16X media, and 8X RW media which is what I have.

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Originally Posted by mobilenvidia

I got mine from http://www.ascent.co.nz/ I ordered the OEM 4163B and got the 4165B
I assume its OEM as it didn't come in a retail box, just the drive, audio cable and the CD wrapped in static proof bag.
The CD belongs with the drive as it has the manual for the 4165B on it.

These are the the apps that work with the Nero that came with drive:
Nero Express v6.6.0.9
Nero Burning ROM
Cover designer
Image
Backit up
Sound Track
Wave editor

Was I just lucky, or did I get the retail version with out the box ?

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Posted: 15-09-2005

mobilenvidia (CD Freaks Member): Posts: 101

Yeah a fellow Kiwi, I don't feel so lonely now

Nice place you live, was there just last week, I'm up at Mt Cook.

My drive burns everything thrown at it, and is speedy.

One thing I noticed that when burning CD-R's Nero gets as far as the Leadin and then nothing happens, it seems as if the buffer is filled then the drive light just flashes but nothing is burned.
This is annoying, luckily I have another CDRW.
I'm not sure wether this is Nero or the drive causing the problem.
As making disc-at once disks works fine.

I wasn't too displeased with the 4165B being sent instead of the 4163B as I can now burn -R DL.

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Posted: 15-09-2005

weblurker (CD Freaks Rookie): Posts: 42

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Originally Posted by mobilenvidia

My drive burns everything thrown at it, and is speedy.

Have you tried many brands of DVD R media? Do you use DVD RW media at all? If so, which DVD RW brand do you use that works well in the 4165?

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Originally Posted by mobilenvidia

One thing I noticed that when burning CD-R's Nero gets as far as the Leadin and then nothing happens, it seems as if the buffer is filled then the drive light just flashes but nothing is burned.
This is annoying, luckily I have another CDRW.
I'm not sure wether this is Nero or the drive causing the problem.
As making disc-at once disks works fine.

I wasn't too displeased with the 4165B being sent instead of the 4163B as I can now burn -R DL.

I checked on the Nero section at the Ahead web site last week and I didn't see support for the 4165 listed. I wonder if that might be why you were having some problems with writing to CD-Rs. The link is here:

http://ww2.nero.com/enu/recorders66....torage&lang=en

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Posted: 15-09-2005

mobilenvidia (CD Freaks Member): Posts: 101

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Originally Posted by weblurker

Have you tried many brands of DVD R media? Do you use DVD RW media at all? If so, which DVD RW brand do you use that works well in the 4165?

I have tried all but DVD-R DL media, Verbatim, Imation and no brand cheapies.
All burned without problems at their rated speeds.
I was able to burn an Imation DVD-R 8x disc @ 12x, Nero detected it as 12x and it worked just fine.

Also that list of drives is only applicable to nero 5.x as v6+ has smart detect and will detect the drives settings and make adjustments accordingly.

I do hope that it is a Nero problem and will be fixed in newer versions.

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Supported Recorders

All CD, Combo and DVD recorders manufactured since 1997 should be supported by Nero 6.0.0.0 and higher through our SmartDetect™ technology. SmartDetect™ will automatically detect and install new drives. The version numbers listed under "supported since" indicate the version from which the drive was officially entered into Nero´s internal drive database. However, thanks to SmartDetect™ technology, even if a drive has not been registered, it should still be supported.
Some drive models ship under more than one model name or are sold by more than one manufacturer. Even if your drive's model or manufacturer is not listed, Nero 6.0.0.0 should support it.

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Posted: 15-09-2005

karangguni (CD Freak): Posts: 2,523

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Originally Posted by mobilenvidia

With mine I got a CD crammed full of:
Full Version of Nero 6.6.0.9, it says Nero Express on the CD but there's 303MB of it.
PowerDVD
PowerProducer Gold
In CD 4
Acrobat Reader
Media Launcher
Power Producer
DX9
Drive Manual
LGG Auto Firmware Update

Hope this helps.

Btw, this is pretty much the same thing I got with the boxed version of the 4163B about a year ago. There was no auto update firmware program of course, because that did not exist yet at the time. The only other things included were an IDE cable, audio cable and some screws. So you're getting about the same thing as comes with the boxed version.

The version of Nero included was indeed Nero Express so I doubt if you're going to get the full version. Still, it's about the best software bundle you can get bundled with a drive, IMHO.

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Posted: 15-09-2005

Rob_NZ (New on Forum): Posts: 27

Mobilenvidia - you might try some Ricoh media. Ive ordered some from trademe (a couple of major media dealers are on there), which I will test in my LiteOn soon.
There is a lot of 8x and 16x Ricoh media for ~$1NZ per disk, or less in quantity.
The big sellers usually post the media codes.

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Posted: 16-09-2005

mobilenvidia (CD Freaks Member): Posts: 101

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Originally Posted by Rob_NZ

I got a heap of 16x Verbatim DVD+R's from Ascent these are good for me.
Cost me just over a buck each, I like these as they were the only 16x media I could find.

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Posted: 16-09-2005

Rob_NZ (New on Forum): Posts: 27

Hey whats the media code for those verbatims?
Well if you run out, try looking for JerryDVDDiscs on trademe.
The 50 spindle of Ricoh 16x were $NZ50 +5 shipping.

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Posted: 16-09-2005

mobilenvidia (CD Freaks Member): Posts: 101

Verbatim 16x Media on a LG GSA-4165B, FW DL04

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Nero CD-DVD Speed: Disc Info
Basic Information
Disc Type: : DVD+R
Book Type : DVD+R
Manufacturer: : Verbatim
MID : MCC 004 (000)
Write speeds: : 4 X - 8 X - 8.0 X - 12 X - 12.0 X - 16 X - 16.0 X
Blank Capacity : 4.38 GB
: 4482 MB
: 4700375040 bytes
Extended Information
Layers : 1
Write strategies : 4 X - 8 X - 16 X
Disc Status : Empty
Raw Data
Physical Format Information (00h)
0000 - A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F 00 00 00 00 - .........&.?....
0010 - 00 00 07 4D 43 43 00 00 00 00 00 30 30 34 00 38 - ...MCC.....004.8
0020 - 23 54 37 12 02 54 6C 02 92 5F 15 15 0B 0B 08 08 - #T7..Tl.._......
0030 - 01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - ................
0040 - 01 00 38 38 02 2C 5A 1A 05 2E 23 10 04 1E 1D 01 - ..88.,Z...#.....
0050 - 00 00 02 2C 5A 1A 05 2E 23 10 04 1E 1D 01 00 00 - ...,Z...#.......
0060 - 02 00 54 70 02 30 63 3C 24 14 0C 0C 01 20 00 00 - ..Tp.0c<$.......
0070 - 00 00 02 40 66 42 24 14 0C 0C 01 20 00 00 00 2B - ...@fB$........+
0080 - 03 00 54 DF 02 30 63 3C 24 14 0C 0C 01 20 00 00 - ..T..0c<$.......
0090 - 00 00 02 75 5E 58 24 14 0A 0A 01 20 00 00 00 59 - ...u^X$........Y

These cost me $40 for 25 including postage 2 months ago.

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Posted: 17-09-2005

Rob_NZ (New on Forum): Posts: 27

My LiteOn @832S has this to say about the Ricoh 8x Golden Tops:
Note that this is my old burner and cant do 16x.
Ive just flashed the drive up, and erased the learnt media in the eeprom, so I need to make a few burns before I judge it.

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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:RICOHJPN-R02-003]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD+R]
Manufacturer Name : [Ricoh Co. Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID : [RICOHJPN]
Media Type ID : [R02]
Product Revision : [003]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4.70 GB (4.38 GiB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x-2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]
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** INFO : Drive = LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-832S [FW CG5G]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-RW
** INFO : Disc = [DVD+R:RICOHJPN-R02-003]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 8310 kBps ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 3324 kBps ( 2.40x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 8310 kBps ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 3324 kBps ( 2.40x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
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** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Media Code'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 11h (Method 1) - ADIP Information
0000 : a1 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3f 00 00 00 00 .........&.?....
0010 : 00 00 03 52 49 43 4f 48 4a 50 4e 52 30 32 03 38 ...RICOHJPNR02.8
0020 : 23 54 37 18 00 3e 6e 00 70 62 15 15 0b 0b 08 08 #T7..>n.pb......
0030 : 01 19 1b 0b 0b 0e 0f 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0040 : 01 00 38 38 00 1d 62 35 07 30 22 10 08 20 1c 01 ..88..b5.0".. ..
0050 : 00 00 00 1d 62 35 07 30 22 10 08 20 1c 01 00 00 ....b5.0".. ....
0060 : 02 00 54 70 00 26 64 80 1c 12 0b 09 01 20 00 00 ..Tp.&d...... ..
0070 : 00 00 00 37 62 62 20 14 09 09 01 20 00 00 00 36 ...7bb .... ...6
0080 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0090 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00a0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00b0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00c0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00d0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00e0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00f0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
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And this about the 16x:

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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:RICOHJPN-R03-004]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD+R]
Manufacturer Name : [Ricoh Co. Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID : [RICOHJPN]
Media Type ID : [R03]
Product Revision : [004]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4.70 GB (4.38 GiB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x-2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x , 6x-16x]
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Media Code'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 11h (Method 1) - ADIP Information
0000 : a1 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3f 00 00 00 00 .........&.?....
0010 : 00 00 07 52 49 43 4f 48 4a 50 4e 52 30 33 04 38 ...RICOHJPNR03.8
0020 : 23 54 37 13 00 44 73 00 84 6d 15 15 0b 0b 08 08 #T7..Ds..m......
0030 : 01 19 1b 0c 0c 0c 0d 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0040 : 01 00 38 38 00 20 5f 1e 08 2e 23 10 04 1e 1d 01 ..88. _...#.....
0050 : 00 00 00 20 5f 1e 08 2e 23 10 04 1e 1d 01 00 00 ... _...#.......
0060 : 02 00 54 70 00 2c 64 5f 20 13 09 09 01 20 00 00 ..Tp.,d_ .... ..
0070 : 00 00 00 38 64 6c 20 12 0a 09 01 20 00 00 00 24 ...8dl .... ...$
0080 : 03 00 54 df 00 2c 64 5f 20 13 09 09 01 28 00 00 ..T..,d_ ....(..
0090 : 00 00 00 5e 5e 90 20 13 0b 0a 01 28 00 00 00 3e ...^^. ....(...>
00a0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00b0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00c0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00d0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00e0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00f0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
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Posted: 17-09-2005

mobilenvidia (CD Freaks Member): Posts: 101

Here is DVDIdentifier results for the Verbatim 16x Media.

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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:MCC-004-000]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD+R]
Manufacturer Name : [Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [MCC]
Media Type ID : [004]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [Not Supported By Method 2]
Recording Speeds : [1x-2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x , 6x-16x]
[Method 2 Might Not Always Detect All Speeds]
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** INFO : Drive = HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4165B [FW DL04]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-R-DL DVD-RW DVD-RAM
** INFO : Disc = [DVD+R:MCC-004-000]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 22161 kBps (16.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 22160 kBps (16.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 16621 kBps (12.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 16620 kBps (12.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #5 = 11081 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #6 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #7 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 = 22161 kBps (16.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 22160 kBps (16.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 16621 kBps (12.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 16620 kBps (12.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #5 = 11081 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #6 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #7 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
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** WARNING : Format 11h (Method 1) Is Recommended ADIP Retrieval Method
** WARNING : Format 00h (Method 2) Data Might Contain Drive Modified Values
** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Media Code'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 00h (Method 2) - Physical Information (Copy Of ADIP)
0000 : a1 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3f 00 00 00 00 .........&.?....
0010 : 00 00 07 4d 43 43 00 00 00 00 00 30 30 34 00 38 ...MCC.....004.8
0020 : 23 54 37 12 02 54 6c 02 92 5f 15 15 0b 0b 08 08 #T7..Tl.._......
0030 : 01 19 1b 0c 0c 0c 0d 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0040 : 01 00 38 38 02 2c 5a 1a 05 2e 23 10 04 1e 1d 01 ..88.,Z...#.....
0050 : 00 00 02 2c 5a 1a 05 2e 23 10 04 1e 1d 01 00 00 ...,Z...#.......
0060 : 02 00 54 70 02 30 63 3c 24 14 0c 0c 01 20 00 00 ..Tp.0c<$.... ..
0070 : 00 00 02 40 66 42 24 14 0c 0c 01 20 00 00 00 2b ...@fB$.... ...+
0080 : 03 00 54 df 02 30 63 3c 24 14 0c 0c 01 20 00 00 ..T..0c<$.... ..
0090 : 00 00 02 75 5e 58 24 14 0a 0a 01 20 00 00 00 59 ...u^X$.... ...Y
00a0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00b0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00c0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00d0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00e0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00f0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
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Posted: 18-09-2005

Rob_NZ (New on Forum): Posts: 27

Getting a little off topic, but as I cant find the LG burner I wanted, ive ordered a NEC 3540A - from a place in Nelson.
The old LiteOn is not great at 8x burns. I need to try some 6x.

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