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Old Posted: 12-05-2006
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Damn, that's a really good burn, but how's jitter lookin?
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Old Posted: 12-05-2006
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Here's food for thought.

1 quality scan, Lite-On SHM-165P6S
2 quality scan, BenQ DW1655
3 transfer rate test, Lite-On SHM-165P6S
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Old Posted: 12-05-2006
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It's a known issue. The BenQ cannot stand the high jitter rates generated by this drive and hence produces horrible results. Same thing with burns from the H10A.

Curiously, there is a possibility that BSPB with the 1640 may have fixed this problem. Jitter is still sky high, but the scans come out alright. See Factfinder's scans on page 2 of this thread.
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MXL RG04. DVD-R 16x.
LG GSA-H10A @ H10N, JJ11 FW.
Burned with Img tool burn @16x
Img tool burn reported 4:36 burn time so even adding the usual 30 seconds for lead out makes this a very fast burn and it turned out excellent.
Strange, your drive still seems to have its DVD-R read speed locked at 10x. Factfinder and Zhadoom's drives don't seem to have that lock at all.

Also, has anyone tried doing a TRT of a SL DVD-VIDEO disc? Only been done on a DL DVD-VIDEO disc so far.
Old Posted: 13-05-2006
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It's a known issue. The BenQ cannot stand the high jitter rates generated by this drive and hence produces horrible results. Same thing with burns from the H10A.
For most of the burn, jitter [as reported by DW1655] hovers around 10%, and the overall average is 9.5%. Areas with 15+% jitter show the same PIFs as areas with 10% jitter, so I don't see any obvious corelation between [possibly wrongly reported] jitter and [definitely wrongly reported] PIFs.

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Curiously, there is a possibility that BSPB with the 1640 may have fixed this problem. Jitter is still sky high, but the scans come out alright. See Factfinder's scans on page 2 of this thread.
Some scans do come out okay [for example, MCC media] but most don't.

BSPB doesn't fix anything either, as you can see in partial BSMB and BSPB scans below.

Anyway, the point was that, for whatever reason, H10* burn quality cannot be judged based on BenQ scans.
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has anyone tried doing a TRT of a SL DVD-VIDEO disc? Only been done on a DL DVD-VIDEO disc so far.
Here you go:
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Old Posted: 13-05-2006
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Strange, your drive still seems to have its DVD-R read speed locked at 10x. Factfinder and Zhadoom's drives don't seem to have that lock at all.

Also, has anyone tried doing a TRT of a SL DVD-VIDEO disc? Only been done on a DL DVD-VIDEO disc so far.
Did a little bit of tesing and it will read DVD+R and -R Create data discs at 16x but movies burned with Img tool burn will only read at 10x on both media.

@Jan70. That is way better than 4.8x for a pressed SL DVD-VIDEO.
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Old Posted: 13-05-2006
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DVD+R Arita 4x ( RICOHJPNR01 ) burned at 4x - DVD-VIDEO

Max at 10x.
Old Posted: 13-05-2006
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Pressed DVD-VIDEO SL.

10x max too.
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Pressed DVD-Video Double Layer (PTP – Parallel Track Path):
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Old Posted: 13-05-2006
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Something very odd ( bad ) happens.
I burned 3 coasters with DAXON AZ2 ( BENQ ) after scanned 2 DVD-VIDEO posted here.

The scan of the 3 disks looks similar with a normal 6x zone and a very bad 8x zone with PI>200 and PIF >20 unreadable by many of my drives.

I had to power off my drive to return to normal behavior of burning.

I will post scans later with my conclusions.
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3th burn.
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Power off the drive, then power on and burn again.

Any guess about that ?
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so I don't see any obvious corelation between [possibly wrongly reported] jitter and [definitely wrongly reported] PIFs.

Some scans do come out okay [for example, MCC media] but most don't.

BSPB doesn't fix anything either, as you can see in partial BSMB and BSPB scans below.

Anyway, the point was that, for whatever reason, H10* burn quality cannot be judged based on BenQ scans.
Thanks for clearing that up. Well, another hair-brained theory of mine out the window then.

I think your conclusion is pretty much correct. Looks like Lite-On is the way to go for scanners if you have either the H10A or H10N.
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I've downloaded JJ11 from TDB. There are two executables in there; JJ11AUTO and JJ11RPC1. I'm not sure what the difference is. I'm guessing AUTO is for bit setting and RPC1 is region free. Maybe somebody can elaborate a little more on the difference. Thanks in advance.
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read the 1st paragraph of TDB's page and chase the link at the end of that paragraph.
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Old Posted: 14-05-2006
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I've downloaded JJ11 from TDB. There are two executables in there; JJ11AUTO and JJ11RPC1. I'm not sure what the difference is. I'm guessing AUTO is for bit setting and RPC1 is region free.
Auto-reset has nothing to do with bitsetting.

It keeps the drive in RPC-2 mode but every time you restart the computer (or the external enclosure) it resets to the initial state where you can assign a region once and then change it another four times, as you would normally do with most drives.
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MKM-001 burned at 6x in 18:40 with H10A@H10N

Are this scan good for that 2.4x@6x burn ?
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Are this scan good for that 2.4x@6x burn ?
Yes, pretty good. Probably about average you'd expect out of MKM 001 at any speed.

MKM 001 media varies quite a bit. I've seen 1000 PIFs in one ten-pack, and 4000 in the next.
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My drive seems to be unstable using a 1394 enclosure.
I reinstalled it into secondary IDE.

H10A may suffer the same problem related to power supply as with 4167 ?
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My first scans of MCC004 and RITEK R04 burned at 16x and 12x.

The quality seems to be improved a bit in MCC004 and much better in RITEK R04. My previous burns of RITEK R04 in the external 1394 enclosure produces coasters only.

My remaining doubt is "is fault of the 1394 enclosure power supply or the bridge interface 1394 to IDE ??"

Any considerations about that will be welcome.
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My previous burns of RITEK R04 in the external 1394 enclosure produces coasters only.

My remaining doubt is "is fault of the 1394 enclosure power supply or the bridge interface 1394 to IDE ??"
What kind of coasters? Did they fail to fully burn, or were they unreadable after the burn?

Have you tried burning a test disc with CD-DVD Speed? The burn speed curve would immediately show any 1394 anomalies.

Power supply problems are more difficult to diagnose, but this drive does have a higher than usual 2.0A * 12V + 1.5A * 5V = 31.5W total power requirement.
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