Using AnyDVD with CloneCD for +R DL

healy · 07-07-2006

I have a LG 4165B DVD burner with FW A015. I am using AnyDVD v6.0.1.1 and CloneCD 5.2.9.1. Per Slysoft's site these are the latest released version (I don't usually play with betas.)

I have been trying to back-up a TV series (Dark Angel Season 1 - Disk 1) to a Verbatim DVD+R DL (MID MKM001). Having read both this newsgroup & the CloneDVD2 newsgroup, I chose to use CloneCD to make a 1:1 copy rather than CloneDVD2 which I was under the impression might not handle the layer break properly.

First attempt to burn using CloneCD failed as a result of user error (Return code 'ID Ten T'

) I forgot to load AnyDVD prior to reading to disk

Second attempt failed about halfway through the burn. Unfortunately, I did not note what else came after 'Burn failed' when CloneCD spit out the failed disc.

I have noticed a number of the more experienced users in this forum have mentioned being successful in making 1: 1 backup on +R DL media using AnyDVD & CloneCD.

I wonder if they or anyone else for that matter might suggest how I might troubleshoot this issue. At the price I paid for these DLs I really want to avoid wasting them.

I trust this is not considered cross posting since I have also asked these questions in the LG DVD burner forum, in case the issue is hardware specific. If it is cross posting, I apologize in advance.

Any and all comments and suggestions are greatly appreciated.

*zaq* · 07-07-2006

did you rip to HDD first or are you copying burning at same time?
I use this combo with very good results
verb mk001 + anydvd + cloneCD + benq1655
read to hdd first
then burn to disk at a 2.4 x setting

make sure to upgrade your burner to latest F/W
or F/w that best supports the verb DL

healy · 07-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by zaq

did you rip to HDD first or are you copying burning at same time?

With AnyDVD running in background, I used CloneCD to write image to Hard drive. Once ripped, I used CloneCD to write to blank DVD @ 2.4x This is when the burn failed at about half way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zaq

make sure to upgrade your burner to latest F/W or F/w that best supports the verb DL

The latest FW A106 did not affect +R DL burning. It simply added some SL 16X media. This has been discussed in the LG forum.

Appreciate your help, zaq. Thanks.

*Dr. Who* · 07-07-2006

Try this turn off anydvd before the burn.

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*zaq* · 07-07-2006

doc
forgot about that
yes
turn off any other memory hog progs temporarily during the burn

*bjkg* · 07-07-2006

@ healy,

If you have ensured that your DVD Burner has the most current up to date Firmware that recognizes the MID Code of your Verbatim DL Media quite possible you have some invasive 3rd party software program that is running in the background that could be interfering with the proper function of AnyDVD-CloneCD.

If you perform a Forum Search on the topic it will reveal that it is highly recommended to ensure a quality error free Burn that ALL Multi-Tasking background activities be curtailed when conducting Burning activities. This Multi-Tasking background activity includes all invasive Anti-Virus and/or Packet Writing programs.

The following are examples of packet writing software programs –> Sonic DLA, Nero InCD, NTI FileCD, Roxio DirectCD/Drag-To-Disc, CE Quadrant Just!Burn, Sony abCD, InstantWrite, Backup4all, B's Clip, NeoClip, InstantBurn. This is not an extensive complete list, there are numerous others. If you have any Packet Writing Software Programs installed strongly suggest to completely removing them from your computer. Packet Writing Software Programs are very invasive, cause numerous conflict error problems, and do not perform correctly.

To ensure that all Multi-Tasking background operation tasks are in fact curtailed check that ALL unnecessary programs are not automatically loaded during Window Startup. To check this suggest viewing the below Web Link that details how to use MSCONFIG to configure Windows Startup to load only the minimal necessary items. You will be surprised at all the unnecessary Memory and Resource wasting items that are automatically loaded during Windows Startup. Quite possibility you have some unnecessary item automatically loaded during Windows Startup that you are unaware of that could be interfering with the proper operation of your CD/DVD Burning software program that could be causing your problem.

http://netsquirrel.com/msconfig/

Also have you ensured you don’t have invasive SpyWare inadvertently installed on your computer, which can interfere with the proper operation of CD/DVD Burning software program? Suggest visiting Spybot Search & Destroy (http://www.spybot.info/en/index.html).

Best Regards,
bjkg

PS-> It is unnecessary to disengage the AnyDVD software program when conducting Burning operations. The Memory-Resource footprint of the AnyDVD software program is extremely minimal and does not interfere with Burning functions. However some Burning programs have some problems during the “Verify Data On Disc After Burning” process but this does not interfere with the correct proper Burning functions.

*reasonsnotrules* · 07-07-2006

did this error only happen on one disc?

it's possible that the dye was uneven or ther ewas some disturbance that caused this disc to burn poorly resulting in an error.

your original post seems like you've done all of your homework and if you follow the instructions in this thread your method sounds 100% perfect to me. I burn DL discs fairly frequently with great results, but even those of us that do it often get errors from time to time.

i know DL discs are expensive, but you really can't assume you have a "problem" based on one failed disc.

if your firmware is up to date, all unnecessary running programs are terminated, all packet writing software removed, and you don't multitask while burning then your method is sound. go ahead and give it another try.

it would have been easier if we had your exact error message after the failure. without an exact error message, all we can give you is whatever generic good advice we have. the troubleshooting might be able to be more specific if we knew the exact error.

that being said, everything you've done seems correct to me. go ahead and try another burn. if this one fails make sure you note the specific error

also, in regards to your ID Ten T error when you forgot to enable anydvd, the programmers were taking a little jab at you...if you write out ID Ten T it is "ID10T" and is often the error code used in various programs for obvious user error mistakes.

I always giggle when i see a user report that error in any program. hope you're not offended...you shouldn't be as you quickly realized what the problem was and rectified it

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healy · 10-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Who

Try this turn off anydvd before the burn.

Thanks, Doc for that suggestion.

Out of curiosity, I've never had any troubles burning DVD-R Verbatim. Not needed to go to the extremes that everyone is recommending here on removing software running in background, etc.

Heck most times I'm multi-tasking while I burn a ripped image with Nero. (I transcode to hard drive with CloneDVD then burn image using nero 6.)

Again thanks for the help

healy · 10-07-2006

Bjkg

Thanks for the suggestions. I will investigate. I am still curious as to why I need to do all that 'extras' when I never had any problems burning image sbeofre.

But as I previously mentioned to Dr. Who. I don't normally try to burn a DVD image using CloneCD.

If only CloneDVD handled the layer break better, I wouldn't need to use CloneCD. <shrug>

Again thanks for your time.

healy · 10-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by reasonsnotrules

i know DL discs are expensive, but you really can't assume you have a "problem" based on one failed disc.

Indeed Imay have over reacted as I have really only had one failed burn. (The other cause by user error). But there has bnot been a great deal written about using CloneCD for making 1:1 copies, least not I coudl find using teh search feature. So I thought it best to ask the 'Experts'.

Quote:

Originally Posted by reasonsnotrules

it would have been easier if we had your exact error message after the failure. without an exact error message, all we can give you is whatever generic good advice we have. the troubleshooting might be able to be more specific if we knew the exact error.

My bad. I realized the moment after I cleared the message I should have taken note of it. Will definitely do so should it happen again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by reasonsnotrules

also, in regards to your ID Ten T error when you forgot to enable anydvd, the programmers were taking a little jab at you...if you write out ID Ten T it is "ID10T" and is often the error code used in various programs for obvious user error mistakes.

I always giggle when i see a user report that error in any program. hope you're not offended...you shouldn't be as you quickly realized what the problem was and rectified it

Er . . . wasn't any program that gave me that message.

I've done IT/PC support for over ten years and have used that and 'Code 13' more than once in follow-up reports.

Again thanks for your help.

quoll · 10-07-2006

Hi, just my two cents worth...
Burn the saved image using the free program 'imageburn' (vs1.3.0.0)which will correctly set the 'layer break' on the DL media.
In addition use the bitsetting function on your burner to set the booktype to
DVD-ROM for best compatibility in playing back on set top players capable of playing DVD DL.
best of luck...quoll

*reasonsnotrules* · 10-07-2006

haha sorry! i thought you actually got "ID Ten 10" and didn't know what it meant!

anyway, be assured that you're doing everything correctly. discs fail from time to time due to many variables including disc to disc differences in how even the dye is or spindle to spindle differences because of how they were stored at the warehouse or whatever.

clonecd should handle your layerbreak just fine, but ImgBurn is another option as suggested by quoll, but i assume that since you paid for clonecd, you're interested in getting it to work, right?

try another burn and definitely check back and let us know how it goes!

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*bjkg* · 10-07-2006

@ healy,

You personally might think that curtailing all unnecessary Background Multi-Tasking operations while conducting backup copies of Commercial DVD Movie Tiles is “Extra” and “Going To Extremes”.

As suggested conduct a Forum search which will reveal that Background Multi-Tasking operations can be very invasive and in many instances can and has interfered with the proper functioning of software programs similar to AnyDVD/CloneDVD/CloneCD that produce backup copies of Commercial DVD Movie Tiles and that curtailing all unnecessary Background Multi-Tasking operations is well founded advise.

No one is forcing to heed this prudent advice but you experienced a problem and made a Forum posting asking for comments and suggestions.

Best Regards,
bjkg

*reasonsnotrules* · 10-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by healy

Thanks, Doc for that suggestion.

Out of curiosity, I've never had any troubles burning DVD-R Verbatim. Not needed to go to the extremes that everyone is recommending here on removing software running in background, etc.

Heck most times I'm multi-tasking while I burn a ripped image with Nero. (I transcode to hard drive with CloneDVD then burn image using nero 6.)

Again thanks for the help

as a IT/support person you should know that eliminating variables is the only way to determine the problem. if you've been using methods that work, but are not ideal then that variable of too much going on in the background or a conflicting pprogram or driver is still there possibly misconstruing test results (in this case, burn attempts)

as bjkg tsated, no one's making you take the advice, but you did ask for advice and all of the comments given so far are sound and valid suggestions.

I err on the safe side and even disable my internet connection so i can curtail my antivirus program while burning. burning either way produces readable results, but when i do a disc quality scan on the discs, the dvd that was burned with the fewest processes running is exponentially better quality than the one that was burned while multitasking regardless of the readability.

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doveplay · 10-07-2006

Quick question. By using CloneCD is there a way to enable the buffer? I burned a Verb DL disc the other day and noticed that the buffer was 0%. I couldn't find a way to enable the buffer (in ImgBurn the buffer filled up automatically).

Thanks!

healy · 12-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkg

@ healy,

You personally might think that curtailing all unnecessary Background Multi-Tasking operations while conducting backup copies of Commercial DVD Movie Tiles is “Extra” and “Going To Extremes”.

As suggested conduct a Forum search which will reveal that Background Multi-Tasking operations can be very invasive and in many instances can and has interfered with the proper functioning of software programs similar to AnyDVD/CloneDVD/CloneCD that produce backup copies of Commercial DVD Movie Tiles and that curtailing all unnecessary Background Multi-Tasking operations is well founded advise.

No one is forcing to heed this prudent advice but you experienced a problem and made a Forum posting asking for comments and suggestions.

My apologies, bjkg, if my statement was perceived as taking lightly the suggestions made regarding background operations and producing backup copies. That was not my intent.

My statement if anything was incomplete as it was meant to ask what was different when burning DL as opposed to when burning SL disks.

I have not had the need to remove or investigate any background operations as I have never had any issues in backing up to DVD-r SL disks. As this was my first foray into burning DVD+r DL disks I was curious if there was a difference because of the disk types.

I do appreciate your experience and suggestions and will indeed take them into consideration when I attempt to troubleshoot this issue.

Regards.

healy · 12-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by quoll

Hi, just my two cents worth...
Burn the saved image using the free program 'imageburn' (vs1.3.0.0)which will correctly set the 'layer break' on the DL media.
In addition use the bitsetting function on your burner to set the booktype to
DVD-ROM for best compatibility in playing back on set top players capable of playing DVD DL.
best of luck...quoll

Thanks for the suggestions, quoll.

To clarify, when you say 'burn the saved image', how was the saved image made?

CloneDVD2 does not retain the original layer break, so I can't see how imageburn would know where it should go. If I use CloneCD to create the image, would there be an advantage to use imageburn rather than CloneCD in creating the backup?

healy · 12-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by reasonsnotrules

as bjkg stated, no one's making you take the advice, but you did ask for advice and all of the comments given so far are sound and valid suggestions.

Sorry. Please read my reply to bjkg. I do appreciate and am thankful for all the advise and suggestions given.

Regards.

mesorry · 12-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by healy

Thanks for the suggestions, quoll.

To clarify, when you say 'burn the saved image', how was the saved image made?

CloneDVD2 does not retain the original layer break, so I can't see how imageburn would know where it should go. If I use CloneCD to create the image, would there be an advantage to use imageburn rather than CloneCD in creating the backup?

do you know what the error message layerbreak=1913760 means if you do can you help keep getting this message do not know how to resolve it

*reasonsnotrules* · 12-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by healy

Thanks for the suggestions, quoll.

To clarify, when you say 'burn the saved image', how was the saved image made?

CloneDVD2 does not retain the original layer break, so I can't see how imageburn would know where it should go. If I use CloneCD to create the image, would there be an advantage to use imageburn rather than CloneCD in creating the backup?

there's no advantage to using ImgBurn if you've ripped with CloneCD. ImgBurn can read the layerbreak from files ripped in ISO mode with DVDDecrypter. This is basically the free alternative to ripping/burning DL discs with CloneCD.

ImgBurn is pretty good at guessing where to put a layerbreak so a lot of people use it for all DL regardless of how it was ripped and swear it doesn't matter, but I still like to keep the layer break intact.

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doveplay · 12-07-2006

If you've ripped it with Decrypter and use Clone CD to make a 1:1 copy on a DL, does Clone CD keep the original layer break?

*reasonsnotrules* · 12-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by doveplay

If you've ripped it with Decrypter and use Clone CD to make a 1:1 copy on a DL, does Clone CD keep the original layer break?

i'm not sure. does clonecd read .mds files? I don't usually use clonecd, but it would be easy to test. try to load a .mds file into clonecd. if it accepts it then you're probably good to go. if it says it's an unaccepted format then no.

the mds file is the file that holds the layer break info when you rip in ISO mode with DVDD. ImgBurn reads this information to produce a burn from the iso that has the original layer break info.

although i think this is getting off of the original poster's topic...

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*bjkg* · 12-07-2006

@ healy,

Concerning preserving Dual Layer Break ->

Suggest using DVD Decrypter in conjunction with AnyDVD and rip the original Commercial DVD Movie Title to your Hard Drive in the ISO READ mode. Suggest viewing the below CD Freaks Forum posting concerning how to properly configure DVD Decrypter to work in conjunction with AnyDVD. Refer to posting comments #5 and #8.

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=139161

This results in an ISO File and an MDS File. Then using IMGBurn (http://www.imgburn.com) software program load the MDS File and burn to quality DL Media (Verbatim). The MDS File contains Layer Break information from the original Commercial DVD Movie Title and informs the IMGBurn software program were to correctly place the Layer Break.

Concerning Multi-Tasking Background operations->

As I have mentioned in my other Forum postings if you conducted a Forum search concerning the topic of conducting Multi-Tasking Background operations and burning CD/DVD data this search will reveal that many of these Multi-Tasking Background operations can be very invasive and can and in many instances do interfere with the proper functioning of CD/DVD burning programs.

As suggested by another knowledgeable Forum make a demanding Burn to Media with ALL your Multi-Tasking Background operations FULLY engaged and operable. Then conduct the same demanding Burn to Media with ALL your Multi-Tasking Background operations FULLY curtailed and disengaged. Then using a diagnostic software program similar to Nero CD-DVD Speed conduct a DiscQuality Scan of the two disks and compare the results. You will find that the Quality Score of the disk Burned with ALL your Multi-Tasking Background operations FULLY engaged and operable is lower.

I believe that the goal of making backup copies of your Commercial DVD Movie Titles is to produce the best quality error free results as possible. If that isn’t your goal then quite possibly you are wasting your blank Media and your time.

Also if you follow the Web Link concerning MSCONFIG that I provided in my previous posting (# 6) and closely review the information you will find a link to Mr. Paul “PackMan” Collins extremely comprehensive listing of over 12519 Windows StartUp Applications (http://www.sysinfo.org/startuplist.php) that could possibly be loaded during Windows Start Up. When closely reviewing this comprehensive listing you will realize that a vast majority of the Windows StartUp Applications are totally unnecessary to be loaded at Windows StartUp. All Windows StartUp Applications consume Memory and Resource. Why would someone want to squander valuable Memory and Resource on some useless function that was totally unnecessary? If you are unnecessary making demands of your limited computer Memory and Resource it COULD interfere with the very demanding task of processing backup copies of Commercial DVD Movie Titles.

Best Regards,
bjkg

doveplay · 12-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by reasonsnotrules

i'm not sure. does clonecd read .mds files? I don't usually use clonecd, but it would be easy to test. try to load a .mds file into clonecd. if it accepts it then you're probably good to go. if it says it's an unaccepted format then no.

the mds file is the file that holds the layer break info when you rip in ISO mode with DVDD. ImgBurn reads this information to produce a burn from the iso that has the original layer break info.

although i think this is getting off of the original poster's topic...

What's an MDS file? I ripped with Decrypter to an image file and used CloneCD to make the copy. I know ImgBurn keeps the original break, I'm just wondering if CloneCD does...I'm testing out the program

*reasonsnotrules* · 12-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by doveplay

What's an MDS file? I ripped with Decrypter to an image file and used CloneCD to make the copy. I know ImgBurn keeps the original break, I'm just wondering if CloneCD does...I'm testing out the program

ImgBurn only keeps the original break if you load up the MDS file that you get when you rip with DVDD in ISO mode.

if you'r enot generating an MDS AND an ISO file when you rip then check your DVDD preferences. it's this MDS file that holds that instructions for the layer break and not the ISO. if you've been loading the ISOs into ImgBurn then you are not Preserving the original layer break.

if you have any other questions about the subject it might be a goos idea to start your own thread or ask a mod to separate out your questions from here as this is still an open thread and this is getting off topic form the original poster's issues.

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