Pioneer DVR-115: Post your scans and questions here
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22-11-2007
- # 26
I've compared the noise of DVR-115 with Samsung 203B & LG GH20N/L, DVR-115 is the loudest one.Quote:Originally Posted by wallace0134
Well, I can understand for the 20x speed for writing and the 16x speed for reading, haha. I meant "does the noise produced by burns at 18x and reads at 12x compare to the noise produced by the 112 at those speeds?". Sorry for the confusion.
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- # 27
Excellent results with RICOHJPNR03, which agrees with my findings so far. I still can't understand why Pioneer refuses to support this MID at it's rated speed of 16X.Quote:Originally Posted by 2601 RICOH +R 16x
RICOHJPNR03 @12x
Burn time: 07:05
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22-11-2007
- # 28
Thanks for the information.Quote:Originally Posted by 2601 I've compared the noise of DVR-115 with Samsung 203B & LG GH20N/L, DVR-115 is the loudest one.I feel the same. But it's definitely not the first disc that could do 16x, but is locked to a lower speed, so I'm not surprised.Quote:Originally Posted by terminalvelocd Excellent results with RICOHJPNR03, which agrees with my findings so far. I still can't understand why Pioneer refuses to support this MID at it's rated speed of 16X.
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- # 29
Reading speed for DVD R would appear to be set in the firmware on a per MID basis.
Any disc that can be burned at 16x or faster appears to read at 16x.
Any disc that is burned below 16x (including 12x) is read at 12x.__________________
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- # 30
Kind of like the 6S LiteOn drives did, and some of the newer LO drives occasionally do? Cool. Thanks for clarifying, Dee.Quote:Originally Posted by Dee-27 Reading speed for DVD R would appear to be set in the firmware on a per MID basis.
Any disc that can be burned at 16x or faster appears to read at 16x.
Any disc that is burned below 16x (including 12x) is read at 12x. __________________
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23-11-2007
- # 32
Erred on the side of quality? Quite frankly I've never heard such a ridiculous statement. One the one hand we get one guy hassling us for supporting burning on crap media, on the other hand apparently optimising quality over say a minute of burn time is the wrong thing to do? Seriously.Quote:Originally Posted by wallace0134 I like those results, 2601.
It's a shame that Pioneer erred on the side of quality and locked RICOHJPN R03 to 12x. But I have other drives for overspeeding when I don't need quality, so never mind that.
I assure you there's enough concern over variance between batches/markets that made this necessary. Something like this would not be done without significant testing.Quote:Originally Posted by terminalvelocd Excellent results with RICOHJPNR03, which agrees with my findings so far. I still can't understand why Pioneer refuses to support this MID at it's rated speed of 16X.
As far as I am concerned, those features are not in the 115/215. Only the Japan model. I've tested it on the BDC-S02 and it does seem to work well, playing a tortured DVD it made a significant difference.Quote:Originally Posted by taj Does anybody have any info/test results regarding PureRead and PowerRead?__________________
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23-11-2007
- # 33
I'd take quality over burn time any day; in fact I'm limiting burn speed in firmware for some of my drives, because I don't want to risk bad burns when burning at maximum speed with burning programs that don't allow selection of burn speed (e.g. Nero BackItUp).
I consider limitation of burn speed in order to improve quality to be a feature, and the burn-faster-at-any-cost of most recent drives to be a big problem - in some recent drives I can't even burn high quality Verbatim media at maximum speed without getting coasters!
Drops in blank media quality due to cost-cutting is making the high burning speeds even more of a problem, unless the drive features a dependable mechanism for dropping burn speed on bad media.
The 40x limit on burning CD-R media is one of the positive features of the Pioneer drives IMO, and a tool that could limit DVD burning speed to something less than 20/18/16x would be a welcome addition; unfortunately this is only possible by strategy swapping in MCSE at the moment.__________________
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- # 34
I say that only because Pioneer strays from the typical "write at rated speed or higher" method in order to get better results. I believe that I worded my initial statement wrong.Quote:Originally Posted by Brad-Pioneer Erred on the side of quality? Quite frankly I've never heard such a ridiculous statement. One the one hand we get one guy hassling us for supporting burning on crap media, on the other hand apparently optimising quality over say a minute of burn time is the wrong thing to do? Seriously. ...
I assure you there's enough concern over variance between batches/markets [for RICOHJPN R03, as under discussion] that made this necessary. Something like this would not be done without significant testing.
If Pioneer believes that RICOHJPN R03 is best burned at 12x max, then I'll be all for it. I applaud Pioneer for it in the end when I have a working disc. 
It's not like the extra 2 or 3 minutes for a burn will kill a person, anyway, eh?
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
& I fully agree with DrageMester's post above.__________________
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- # 35
We will always be that way. I honestly don't know how the other companies survive in the US market, in these litigious times.Quote:Originally Posted by wallace0134 IIf Pioneer believes that RICOHJPN R03 is best burned at 12x max, then I'll be all for it. I applaud Pioneer for it in the end when I have a working disc. It's not like the extra 2 or 3 minutes for a burn will kill a person, anyway, eh?__________________
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23-11-2007
- # 36
Sweet.Quote:Originally Posted by Brad-Pioneer We will always be that way. I'm sure as long as people want speed over quality, there will still be complaints. But then, you just get a different drive for the speed and save the Pioneer for the quality. __________________
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24-11-2007
- # 37
YUDEN000T03 (Verbatim from SVP UK)
Burn speed 20x
Fast burn and a very nice result.__________________
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24-11-2007
- # 38
^ That is one of the nicest results I've seen on those Verb T03s - all the more because it was burned at 20x! 
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- # 39
Ditto--well, I don't have T03, but I think T02 might look as nice, eh?Quote:Originally Posted by Arachne ^ That is one of the nicest results I've seen on those Verb T03s - all the more because it was burned at 20x!
I think I'll save mine for this drive
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- # 40
You mean you can't choose a lower burn speed if you want to? Excuse my ignorance, but I'm considering getting this drive, as burn quality is my main concern. I don't really care much about peak performance. The research I've done so far has lead me here. Do you think I'm on the right path or not? Or are there better drives (concerning quality as the highest priority)? I have no biases yet, so I'm very open minded.Quote:Originally Posted by DrageMester
The 40x limit on burning CD-R media is one of the positive features of the Pioneer drives IMO, and a tool that could limit DVD burning speed to something less than 20/18/16x would be a welcome addition; unfortunately this is only possible by strategy swapping in MCSE at the moment.
I welcome anybody's opinion on this.
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24-11-2007
- # 41
You can choose a lower speed. 40x is the MAXIMUM limit. No higher.
And this drive is one of the top contenders for quality. Pioneer does quality over speed, and does an awesome job with good discs [and some poor-quality discs]. I'd seriously suggest getting this drive. __________________
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- # 42
My LG E10N does the same from what I've noticed.Quote:Originally Posted by wallace0134 I like those results, 2601. It's a shame that Pioneer erred on the side of quality and locked RICOHJPN R03 to 12x. .
I can't say I have a problem with drives manufacturers reducing max burn speed, I prefer quality over speed.
Mind you, I still think that 20x Verb T03 burn was the cat's meow
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If you use Nero to burn the disc, you can choose the burn speed.Quote:Originally Posted by thisbytes You mean you can't choose a lower burn speed if you want to? Excuse my ignorance, but I'm considering getting this drive, as burn quality is my main concern. I don't really care much about peak performance. The research I've done so far has lead me here. Do you think I'm on the right path or not? Or are there better drives (concerning quality as the highest priority)? I have no baises yet, so I'm very open minded.
I welcome anybody's opinion on this.
But, i too think that it's wiser to take the route that Pioneer has done with less reliable media by lowering the max burn speed.__________________
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- # 44
Okay, so I assume DrageMester is referring to some kind of built-in idiot-proofing scheme ("tool") for DVD burn speed reduction, as is the case with CD-R, rather than a user-selectable speed reduction tool?Quote:Originally Posted by Dee-27 If you use Nero to burn the disc, you can choose the burn speed.
But, i too think that it's wiser to take the route that Pioneer has done with less reliable media by lowering the max burn speed. - Posted:
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- # 45
I am!Quote:Originally Posted by wallace0134 You can choose a lower speed. 40x is the MAXIMUM limit. No higher.
And this drive is one of the top contenders for quality. Pioneer does quality over speed, and does an awesome job with good discs [and some poor-quality discs]. I'd seriously suggest getting this drive. Thank you for your opinion. The only drives I have right now are Matshita ones. - Posted:
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- # 46
Yep.Quote:Originally Posted by thisbytes Okay, so I assume DrageMester is referring to some kind of built-in idiot-proofing scheme ("tool") for DVD burn speed reduction, as is the case with CD-R, rather than a user-selectable speed reduction tool?
Well, you understand the CD-R thing: 40x max, and you aren't guaranteed that if you get poor quality discs. The drive may only offer 32x, 24x, 16x, etc, even if the disc is rated for higher speeds. Why? It may be one media that has known bad batches as well as good batches, and Pioneer is being safe.
Pioneer has gone a similar route for DVD media. Any media that is known to have a good bit of variation is locked to a lower speed by default. Other media that is normally good is allowed higher speeds. So it sort of is an idiot-proof thing built into the drive, yes.
And an extra tip or two:
If the drive senses something going wrong with DVD burns [and possibly CD burns, but don't quote me on that] it can dynamically drop the speed to try to overcome the issue. Future burns on that same media will be unaffected by that one disc [unless the drive encounters physical damage], and the drive will try to burn at the speed you select. Pioneer is pretty good about doing this.
Sometimes, however, the drive will decide to burn at a lower speed from the get-go, before one byte of your data is written. Just another precaution; the drive does preliminary quality tests and can decide whether or not it should write at a lower speed than requested. Pioneer is also pretty good about doing this.
...So it's all on the drive after you select the speed you want to try. [Wow, I never realized how "smart" these drives were.]
Don't forget that you can almost always select your own lower speed within the burning software. Nero, ImgBurn, and many other applications support it.__________________
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- # 47
Must admit , some very nice and consistent results there.
I have just ordered this drive myself as i have found such a perfect bond with the 112L writer. Hopefully the 115 will continue this excellent Pioneer writer production.
Also for any other fellow UK members looking for the 115 please check out the following sites:
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Produ...oductID=713742
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...=10&subcat=185
I ordered mine from Overclockers.co.uk but it seems the Scan order would be slightly cheaper including delivery.
Hope this is of use to someone.
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- # 48
Sort of. I don't want the drive to burn at a speed that will create a coaster.Quote:Originally Posted by thisbytes Okay, so I assume DrageMester is referring to some kind of built-in idiot-proofing scheme ("tool") for DVD burn speed reduction, as is the case with CD-R, rather than a user-selectable speed reduction tool?
Having a big "20x" on the drive retail box might be good for advertising, but it's actually more important that a recording drive produces readable discs.
Some applications DON'T allow the user to select the burning speed but always burn at the maximum speed of the drive, and since we use some of these applications, I prefer to have a fool-proof drive that will not create coasters at maximum burning speed.
Most non-expert users probably burn at maximum speed, so I think it would be better if all drive manufacturers made certain that their drives would either not attempt to write questionable media at too high a speed, or better yet implement a dependable mechanism for dropping burn speed when bad media is detected.__________________
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- # 49
I have a question :
Will there be any Pioneer 115/215 rebadges ?
Pioneer as a brand was/is never available here in Egypt and my only choice was Asus rebadges but since Asus started making their own burners I am lost here . My last Pioneer was Asus 1608P3S (Pioneer 111) __________________
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