Old 23-08-2007   #1
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DVR112D. Sometimes Nero only offers 4x,10x on my 40x CD-R media?

Hi, this is just a minor annoyance and I'm wondering if anyone else experiences it. When burning CD-R's I notice every now and then that Nero (6.6.1.6) will only offer me the burn speeds of 4x or 10x on my 40x rated media. When it happens I eject the media and re-insert it but it normally still stays with 4x/10x as the only option. Eventually I give in and burn at 10x and it works ok, but just leaves me a little puzzled at why this happens now and then seemingly at random.

BTW, if I insert another disc of the same type (next one from the same spindle) it typically goes back to the various speed options up to 40x as it should.

So far I had ignored this issue because it is minor and I presumed it was because the media I was using was only pretty ordinary. Last week I bought a new spindle and got some very good TY CD-R media (it's genuine and gives me really good low C1 scans) but surprisingly the issue still sometimes happens. Out of the blue a particular disc will only come up with 4x/10x burn speed options.

So I'm wondering if this is a feature of the drive, that perhaps it makes a quick scan (or something) of the media and reports reduced capabilities to Nero if it thinks the disc is sub-par? Has anyone else noticed this?

PS. The drive is June07 manufactured and running stock 121 firmware.
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Re: DVR112D. Sometimes Nero only offers 4x,10x on my 40x CD-R media?

Upgrade to the latest firmware and see if that fixes it.
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Re: DVR112D. Sometimes Nero only offers 4x,10x on my 40x CD-R media?

Are you burning data or audio CD?

If you're burning data use ImgBurn instead. See if its any different.
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Re: DVR112D. Sometimes Nero only offers 4x,10x on my 40x CD-R media?

Yeah I'm mostly just burning data. I haven't used imgburn before but I'll take a look at it.

Actually the problem is not all that bigger issue to me, I'm just interested to know if anyone else gets the same thing sometimes.
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Re: DVR112D. Sometimes Nero only offers 4x,10x on my 40x CD-R media?

i have the exactly same issue..52x rated cdr only gives me the option to burn at 4x or 10x. it does this in all software nero/imgburn etc so i assume its a firmware limitation..i have updated the firmware to 1.22 the day i purchased it so i dont know if its 1.22 problem or if its been there from the start..
i never have luck with pioneer drives lol :-(

also your lucky its sometimes..95% of the time thats only option i get..very very rarely i will get the option to burn at 48x etc..
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Re: DVR112D. Sometimes Nero only offers 4x,10x on my 40x CD-R media?

which brand of cds do you use?

just because they say 52x/48x does not mean those speeds are possibly with every drive
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i have the exactly same issue..52x rated cdr only gives me the option to burn at 4x or 10x. it does this in all software nero/imgburn etc so i assume its a firmware limitation..i have updated the firmware to 1.22 the day i purchased it so i dont know if its 1.22 problem or if its been there from the start..
i never have luck with pioneer drives lol :-(

also your lucky its sometimes..95% of the time thats only option i get..very very rarely i will get the option to burn at 48x etc..
Hi hetster, it's interesting to know that someone else has the same issue, I was starting to think I was the only one.

One question. Do you ever burn CD-RW's on your burner? It might be a total coincidence but mine seemed to start doing it just after I burnt a bunch of CD-RW media (and those CD-RW's really were 10x/4x media).
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no never even burnt a cdrw..i also just changed mobo and procesor as i thought my chipset was damaged (which it was anyway) but still have same issue.

current cd's are traxdata 52x (4x 10x option only)
tdk 52x (4x 10x option only)
going to try verbatims this week..if i can only get 4x 10x with verbs then there is defo a problem

i have just read of a firmware patcher thats compatible with the pioneer (similar to omnipatcher for liteons) where you can set speeds for certain types of media..sure its only dvd+/- r though but may look into that and try and reset the cd media to 52x..

its a very strange problem..especialy as i swapped all the hardware out excpet the burner itself so almost definetely a firmware problem..gawd this is 3 out of 3 pioneers i have had probs with..

could it be related to this problem?
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...923529,00.html
doesnt seem likely as it says unreadable/writable whereas i get 4x 10x option..but still it must be a known issue for cdr media and pioneer 112d..why do i even bother with pioneers lol..you think i'd learnt my lesson by burner #3

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both rated as 52x on cakebox

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i have just read of a firmware patcher thats compatible with the pioneer (similar to omnipatcher for liteons) where you can set speeds for certain types of media..sure its only dvd+/- r though but may look into that and try and reset the cd media to 52x..
First of all the burner can only burn CD at 40x.

Secondly the only thing that is going to cause this is that the drive cannot identify the media correctly and therefore doesn't give you the right speeds.

Basically from the MID the firmware has allowable speeds, if the media can't be identified or is not known, it will just show default speeds.

Are you sure this media is genuine?
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Re: DVR112D. Sometimes Nero only offers 4x,10x on my 40x CD-R media?

@ the_hetster,

As Forum Member Brad-Pioneer points out in posting #10 the burning speed of Media is determined by the DVD Burner Firmware and the MID (Manufacture ID and Media Code) of the Media.

The Pioneer DVR-112D Firmware (version number unknown) is limiting Ritek (97m15s17f) and Ricoh (97m27s66f) CD-R Media to 4x/10x burning speeds. This is most likely because Pioneer is fully aware that both Ritek (97m15s17f) and Ricoh (97m27s66f) CD-R Media is poor quality problematic Media and to prevent failed poor quality Burns on this particular poor quality problematic Media through Pioneer DVR-112D Firmware limits the Burning speeds to 4x/10x speed.

The remedy to obtain faster Media burning speeds is to ensure that your Pioneer DVR-112D has the newest most current version 1.22 Firmware and obtain known proven quality Media that consistently produces quality error free results such as Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim Media. Since both Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim Media is known proven quality Media Pioneer DVR-112D Firmware will allow faster burning speeds with this particular Media.

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Re: DVR112D. Sometimes Nero only offers 4x,10x on my 40x CD-R media?

as stated in post #5 i have the latest firmware..i always make sure i have the latest firmwares as i do a lot of burning..

also as stated in both posts #1 and #5 the same media can be made to show the correct burn speeds by swapping disks or generaly playing around by getting 1 to detect then remove it and insert another..

something seemed to trigger this for me..i have always used tdk disks since i bought the burner and i burnt them all at 24x (my prefered audio speed) but would allow me to select 40x if i wanted..then half way through a cakebox i got the 10x problem..the next 10 all only gave me 10x but the very last 1 in the tub offered me 40x again (same media code on nero info tool).

this is the last time i have been able to get above 10x on 3 types of blank cd's datasafe (52x rated) and tdk and traxdata..i have tried 100+ cd's so far and have only got 2 of them to ever show over 10x speed.

also in post 1 it saya that
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Last week I bought a new spindle and got some very good TY CD-R media (it's genuine and gives me really good low C1 scans) but surprisingly the issue still sometimes happens. Out of the blue a particular disc will only come up with 4x/10x burn speed options.
its a very strange problem..i'm pretty sure its the drive itself and not the media..
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Re: DVR112D. Sometimes Nero only offers 4x,10x on my 40x CD-R media?

Ive got exactly the same problem sometimes.

Pioneer DVR-112D, 1.22 FW, June07

It doesnt really bother me, because its just 1-5 times on a 50 cake box.
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It doesnt really bother me, because its just 1-5 times on a 50 cake box.
If you reboot or power down the system will that same disc then burn at the correct speed?

I suspect a software influence in stopping the drive from refreshing the MID correctly from the new media.
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Re: DVR112D. Sometimes Nero only offers 4x,10x on my 40x CD-R media?

well for me i had to reformat due to a new motherboard and processor.
so i have a new motherboard..new processor and new memory..only remaining hardware from old system is my graphics card and the pioneer 112d.
so i have all new hardware and a completely fresh install of xp with sp2..
but unlike someone11 i'm oppositte i get 1-5 out of 50 that will show as 40x rated and the other 45 show as 4x- 10x
i also tried burning in safe mode and again only get 4x - 10x
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It could just be some media variation (quality).
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well no matter which brand i try i still only get 4x or 10x..
even with verbatims 52x rated
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just wondering if anyone could give me pointers on ide driver troubleshooting or some idea of what may be causing this..

i tried to remove the via ide controller and primary ide and when i rebooted i managed to get the next 10 cd's to burn at the normal speed then they dropped back down to 10x which made me think it may be a ide driver problem..so i updated the driver but from the list and select standard dual channel pci ide controller from microsoft and after reboot again only got 10x max so i then decided to try the microsoft supplied via drivers and again only got 10x max again..
next i am going to try the via hyperion ide driver again to see if it gives me more than 10x again..
i also have anydvd installed but never actualy use it and havent come accross any forum threads about anydvd causing this problem.

so those in the know what do you think the trouble could be ?

1. via hyperion ide driver?
2. yet another bad pioneer burner
3. anydvd driver
4. something else.

and did UART ever come to a conclusion about why his 112d also only gave 4x or 10x speed option even on good media

it is also ONLY cdr media this effects. blank dvd's are fine. MCC 03RG20 give me all speeds up to 18x.
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Re: DVR112D. Sometimes Nero only offers 4x,10x on my 40x CD-R media?

i'm starting to think it may just be the burner after reading lots of very negative things about pioneer and cdr's
e.g. http://club.cdfreaks.com/f87/dvr-110d-sucks-146378/
dunno wether its worth me trying to pursue it further with drivers etc or just to bite the bullet and leave pioneer behind and go back to my trusty nec's
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Re: DVR112D. Sometimes Nero only offers 4x,10x on my 40x CD-R media?

@ the_hetster,

Have ensured that your Pioneer DVR-112D is properly connected to an Ultra DMA (80-Conductor) IDE/ATA Cable (http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/id...Cable80-c.html) and your Pioneer DVR-112D is operating in the Ultra DMA Mode 4?

Also ensure you using Master/Slave jumper and not CS (Cable Select). In some configurations using CS can cause problems. Also in the above Ultra DMA (80-Conductor) IDE/ATA Cable Web Link note the correct IDE Connector Color Coding Assignments.

Also note that recently Pioneer released Pioneer DVR-112D vesion 1.24 Firmware.

Have you tried other CD Burning software program other than Nero?

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yes i allways set the jumpers manualy and it is in udma mode..

i checked a few times for firmware and could only find
DVR-112D, DVR-112DBK, DVR-112DSV
DVR112D_FW122EU.zip
Firmware Upgrade Ver. 1.22
New! (09/08/2007)

but i checked rpc1 page and 1.24 is on there..strange how it isnt on pioneer's own page lol..
going to test now


*edit* tested and still 4x or 10x lol grrrrrrrr going to try going back to hyperion ide controller
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*edit* tested 1.24 firmware and still get 4x or 10x
*edit* tested all 3 variations of IDE controller and still get 4x or 10x
*edit* completely removed and uninstalled ANYDVD and still get 4x or 10x

can anyone recomend a good all round dvd/cd burner?
i have tested the samsung SH-S203B but it wasnt compatible with my via sata chipset (vt8237) so stupidly returned it and swapped for a pioneer 112d :-( the reason i went for the samsung was after trouble with my 111d.

all i want is a burner that burns everything well, doesnt have to be excelent just well. as long as it burns cd's/dvd's/dual layers all within decent limits i'd be happy. i dont want a pioneer for dual layers and a liteon for cd's and a samsung for dvd-r etc i just want a good all rounder where my 360 backups will play on my 360 and my dvd backups will play on a standalone player and my cd's will play on car stereo. i dont mind if it is capable of burning with 1 pif lower than xxxx drive.


i am getting sick of returning pioneer drives that physicaly havent got anything wrong with them. this is the third drive in 6 months ive had to replace..first 111d was defective and gave me burn errors..second 111d just refused to burn newer dual layer media as the last firmware update it got was 15 months ago :-s which i find terrible for a burner. so got a 112d which i now have to remove as it wont burn cd's at over 10x even though theres nothing wrong with the drive..
i only have 1 power connector left so need a burner that can do it all..

@bjkg - yes i have tried imgburn and dvd decrypter and disk juggler
i have even tried burning in safe mode in case it was a driver conflict but still only get 4x or 10x option in safe mode with no drivers loaded..regardless of software used.
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@ the_hetster,

DVR-112 version 1.24 Firmware IS on posted on the Official Pioneer Web Site ->

http://wwwbsc.pioneer.co.jp/product-...v00001r_e.html

http://wwwbsc.pioneer.co.jp/device/list_wr_fm.html

And IS posted in the CD Freaks Pioneer DVD Forum Read First posting titled “Post new firmware and tool ANNOUNCEMENTS here” ->

http://club.cdfreaks.com/1947787-post23.html

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@ the_hetster,

All I say is that I have two Pioneer DVR-112D’s running on two different WinXP SP2 boxes and have no problems Burring CD-R Media at 40x speed without any Burn errors.

I also have a DVR-110D and a DVR-111D and never had any problems with them. I had such good performance with all my Pioneers Burners (DVR-110/111/112) that recently purchased a new DVR-115D.

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that is japanese site..
as i live in uk i have http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/content/su.../software.html
bookmarked as i live in EU not japan lol.
i have found it and tested it and it still hasnt cured my problem. the updated firmware is cdr related as well. 1.24 CD-R Writability has improved.
.but didnt work for me
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Have you tried another ide cable
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