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NEC / Optiarc Writer Discuss, Send NEC a request for PI/PIF error testing!!!! CLICK HERE at CD and DVD Writers forum; I found a link to NEC USA Research & Development. Send them a request to have PI/PIF error reporting on the ND-3500AG. If we can get atleast 200 requests sent they might listen. CLICK HERE If a mod can sticky this it would be greatly appreciated.

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Old Posted: 02-12-2004
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I found a link to NEC USA Research & Development. Send them a request to have PI/PIF error reporting on the ND-3500AG. If we can get atleast 200 requests sent they might listen.

CLICK HERE

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This is what I wrote on my request:

I would like to see the NEC ND-3500AG have a firmware and a program capable of PI/PIF error testing. I know there are a lot of NEC owners who would love this feature. Plus I believe it would boost sales for NEC of this drive and future drives released. The BENQ 1620W has this option and many people are choosing it over the ND-3500AG just for this feature alone. Please conisder releasing a firmware with support for PI/PIF error testing. It would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

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Old Posted: 02-12-2004
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nice one! i really hope they do release a firmware/program which can this.
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BTW, this goes to NEC Global Gateway and gets directed to the appropriate area, so everyone can use this link no matter your location.
Old Posted: 02-12-2004
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Originally Posted by DiceR
It would be excellent for the nec range (2510, 350x) of dvd burners to support PI/PF testing. Most other brands (philips/benq, pioneer, lite-on/sony) are now supporting it. PI/PF testing is an invaluable tool that help's the end user determine the quality of their burns, but most importantly allows them to determine if a disc will be compatible in most other players.

Many loyal + faithful nec customers are anticipating a firmware that will support the PI/PF testing. With the announcement of the pioneer drives supporting it, we hope that the NEC drives will also be able to (since they utilize the same chipset).

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DiceR: Excellent message. Great work.
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If NEC won't heed a similar request by Mad Dog, which, as a rebadger, is one of NEC's big and important customers, I wouldn't count on NEC paying much attention to this. Unlike BenQ or Plextor, NEC focuses on its OEM customers, not its retail ones, so requests by end-users will most likely be disregarded.

This is not to discourage you from doing this, since it never hurts to try, and there's always that off-chance that they might respond. Just don't get your hopes up.

(why a poll?)
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(why a poll?)
Just want to see how many people that viewed actually participated.
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This is what I sent in...

I am a local computer business owner that resells computer hardware and also provides support for the hardware.

I make recommendations based on products I know and trust. I also have customers that live by "seeing is believing" and so for that alone I have the majority of my customers buying Lite-On, BenQ ect...who would of otherwise of purchased an NEC drive. So by this experience alone, I know you would benefit from providing this type of support in your firmware. All I ask is that you at least consider it.
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Done!

Did some copy'n'paste, because I couldn't say some things better...

What about jitter testing?

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I would like to see the NEC DVD writers to have a firmware capable of PI/PIF error testing and jitter testing. PI/PIF testing is an invaluable tool when it comes to selecting the best quality media for backups, testing unknown media and resolving playback problems on recorded media. Many other DVD writers (Pioneer, Benq/Philips, LiteOn/Sony) support these options and many people are choosing it over a NEC drive just for this features alone. Please consider releasing a firmware with support for PI/PIF error testing and jitter testing, not only for future drives, but when possible also for current models. I, and many other NEC-adepts with me, would greatly appreciate this.
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WOW 206 views. I hope all these people sent NEC a message. If you came in and haven't sent NEC a message please do so, as it might benefit us all.
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Done!
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WOW 206 views. I hope all these people sent NEC a message. If you came in and haven't sent NEC a message please do so, as it might benefit us all.
View at the poll, 26 requests is nothing that sets NEC moving... We need far more than that. BTW, the line in your sig is good advertising, it is what brought me into this thread!
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I sent this:
PI/PIF error reporting will allow users to validate the superior quality of the burns of a NEC 35xx drive. As it is right now, many people will either buy a Lite-On drive directly or at least as a secondary drive. But of course how many will actually invest in a second drive except maybe the enthusiast?
I would gladly recommend the NEC drive to my collegues, however as it is now the best choice for most is not the NEC 35xx.

..Don't think it'll make a difference, though, there are simply not enough ppl like us.
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Done! Won't hurt us trying this....
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I sent this:
PI/PIF error reporting will allow users to validate the superior quality of the burns of a NEC 35xx drive.
For me that's not the important part. If I knew that all my discs are OK, I wouldn't need testing. But unfortunately sometimes you have a few bad discs in your batch and you might lose data if you don't see this early enough. And there are obviously enough discs that will end up as a coaster, regardless how good your burner is.
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For me that's not the important part. If I knew that all my discs are OK, I wouldn't need testing. But unfortunately sometimes you have a few bad discs in your batch and you might lose data if you don't see this early enough. And there are obviously enough discs that will end up as a coaster, regardless how good your burner is.
Mmh, true, but seeing with your own eyes that you made the right choice (by buying the 3500) is quite comforting.
But there are certainly more good reasons to have PI/PIF error testing. For example, instead of upset costumers who only have coasters or think the quality of the burns is bad (because using cheap (wrong?) media) they can easily see that with the right media, the results are really good and probably even better compared to most other burners. Plus, these costumers who were ready to send in their drives might see that the bad medias produce even worse results on other drives.
Furthermore, I'm sure there is a good percentage who buy cheap media but would change their mind once they see how much better the results with the appropriate disc are.
Better discs = less risk for the burner = longer life cyle = less complaints = happy costumors + more money for NEC
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do you think a new version of scan software such as dvdinfopro could enable this feature with current firmware?Now the pioneer dvdrw drivers did it.
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do you think a new version of scan software such as dvdinfopro could enable this feature with current firmware?Now the pioneer dvdrw drivers did it.
The firmware and the scanning program have to support PI/PIF testing. As far as I could find out on the CDFreaks forums, the current NEC firmwares DON'T support this kind of scanning, and WON'T in the future, unless we find some way to change the mind of the NEC engineers.
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How about starting one of those online petitions like this:

http://www.minidisc.org/upload_petit...llected_0.html
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I'd like to see this feature too but I doubt NEC will ever actually make it happen however somebody by all means correct me if I wrong but I was under the assumption that NEC Germany is where NEC's optical storage engineers are based as thats where the firmwares appear first on www.nec.de so sending them to NEC USA might not reach the the actual people invloved ??

Like I said I'm not certain on that but NEC Germany do have a suggestion & enquires form in english it might be better to send them their if thats where the firmware engineers are based;
http://www.de.nec.de/kontaktENG.php
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NEC should be based in Japan. Where the firmwares first appear is usually a function of which division's web team is the most responsive.
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Sent my request today.
Hopefully someone at NEC actually listens.
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Quote:
Dear Inquirer,

Thank you for your inquiry.
Your inquiry was received by NEC Global Gateway.
We will send your inquiry to the appropriate organization for their attention.
Again thank you very much for your interest.

Regards,
NEC Global Gateway Webmaster
looks like if anyone there cares it will go to the right department anyway.


How about emailing the "rebadgers" like IOData, TDK, MadDog, etc with the same request and see if they can put pressure on NEC?
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LG GH22LS
Pioneer 216D (which is a bit temperamental)
Hitachi 500gb

and on the lappy:

Philips SDVD 8431 (piece of crap)
Seagate Momentus 5400.3 80gb (v. highly recommended)

Plus (lying around upstairs somewhere)

Sony CRX-220E1 with 6S0F firmware By ZoMbIe (the greatest drive at burning cd's ive ever owned - pity i cant fit it into my current setup)
Mirai 1400 cd writer (Fantastic unit for its time)
Pioneer 116 dvd-rom (My first dvd drive ever)
Lite-on 52x cd-rom (noisy as.......)
NEC 3500AG with Quickee QV3B1 (which is brokeded)
Sony AW-G170A (sadly IDE)
Aopen 1648/aap firmware 1.07 (Knackered)
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Sounds like an automated response.
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