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Thank you very much, I'l try doing so!!!
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My observation suggests that it is up to system, as it reads DVD-R fine in Vista both x64 and 32bit versions and also on both final retail and RC2 versions. I've tried putting the drive into another computer that runs XP/SP1 and it behaved same as on mine (my is XP/SP2, nF4 MBD).
nvidia ide drivers? Try with the m$ ones, standard ide drivers.
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nvidia ide drivers? Try with the m$ ones, standard ide drivers.
Tried that. Btw, the other machine I've tried it on is Penthium2 with intel chip and microsoft default driver installed so I am pretty sure it is not IDE driver issue at all.
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Posted: 09-03-2007
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BUT MY NEC DVD 4550A WORK IN MS DOS !!!
Yes, I can confirm that at least one NEC 4550A drive which refuses to read DVD-R discs in WinXP or Win2000 (tried on several machines) reads them w/o problems in DOS.

But there is more. It works in Windows Vista with a minor error (sorry I forgot to write down, but it was about corrupted volume header or something like it when I tried to access volume properties - if I can I'll post more about it later).

So yesterday I was able to boot and install Windows Vista from "bad" drive and I had access to all files on DVD-R after all.
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tomashin (New on Forum)
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Posted: 13-03-2007
I've haven't found solution to this problem yet. Tried to use cdrom.sys and cdfs.sys from vista on XP (by overwriting) but they can't work on XP. I did some research on registry values related to cdrom and cdfs driver but found nothing new. There are just settings like, when the driver is loaded, wich group it belongs to and stuff like that. Nothing related to data accessing or something like that. Crap.
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Posted: 14-03-2007
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I've haven't found solution to this problem yet. Tried to use cdrom.sys and cdfs.sys from vista on XP (by overwriting) but they can't work on XP. I did some research on registry values related to cdrom and cdfs driver but found nothing new. There are just settings like, when the driver is loaded, wich group it belongs to and stuff like that. Nothing related to data accessing or something like that. Crap.
Try leaving generic M$ IDE drivers and copy "ATAPI.SY_" from winXP installation CD, rename it to "atapi.sys" and overwrite the same file located in windows\system32. After restart, it should work - works for me with Nec 4551A having problems with reading and writing DVD-R's
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BlindVictim (New on Forum)
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Posted: 14-03-2007
My drive still had some warranty, so I returned it. Today I called the guys, and they said the drive is going to be replaced with a new one. They didn't explain me what exactly was the problem.

Before I returned it, I checked it at my sister's computer, which is with ALi chipset. It didn't work.
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Posted: 16-03-2007
Just to make some corrections to my previous post:
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It works in Windows Vista with a minor error (sorry I forgot to write down, but it was about corrupted volume header or something like it when I tried to access volume properties - if I can I'll post more about it later).
That was wrong - there's absolutely no error in Windows Vista, the drive works perfect I just forgot that I tried to mount DVD-R volume in PC-BSD machine, where actually I saw that error - shame on me

Today I tried that same bad 4550A drive on Windows 98 SE machine - no problems at all with DVD-Rs, drive reads them without single error.

About the CuBe-O solution - not worked for me either with Windows 2000 or with Windows XP - just received some BSODs at start-up So please, if you're not absolutely sure that you can handle and resolve such situations - please don't try
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BlindVictim (New on Forum)
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Posted: 17-03-2007
They replaced my 4550A with 5170A, because they didn't have 4550A. Did they fucked me up? 5170A doesn't read DVD-RAM, but I'm not using that feature at the moment, anyway.
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Posted: 17-03-2007
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Just to make some corrections to my previous post:

That was wrong - there's absolutely no error in Windows Vista, the drive works perfect I just forgot that I tried to mount DVD-R volume in PC-BSD machine, where actually I saw that error - shame on me

Today I tried that same bad 4550A drive on Windows 98 SE machine - no problems at all with DVD-Rs, drive reads them without single error.

About the CuBe-O solution - not worked for me either with Windows 2000 or with Windows XP - just received some BSODs at start-up So please, if you're not absolutely sure that you can handle and resolve such situations - please don't try
Look, Kreten, I wasn't trying to pretend to be smart, I just wrote what worked for me
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About the CuBe-O solution - not worked for me either with Windows 2000 or with Windows XP - just received some BSODs at start-up So please, if you're not absolutely sure that you can handle and resolve such situations - please don't try
Wrong. People here give their time freely and we appreciate that. They are not paid to solve other people's problems. They suggest things that may solve a problem, they give no guarantees that it will work. It's upto the drive owner to decide if they wish to take any advice given.
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Wrong. People here give their time freely and we appreciate that. They are not paid to solve other people's problems. They suggest things that may solve a problem, they give no guarantees that it will work. It's upto the drive owner to decide if they wish to take any advice given.
Thanks Dee
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Posted: 19-03-2007
Just to be more precise (not to rise up flame):

In Windows 2000 hard drives and CD-ROMs on PATA interface are driven by "atapi.sys" driver. Corrupting or deleting of that driver will result BSOD at boot up time with "INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE" error and to repair your installation you must return driver to it's previous state - it can be painful work for inexperienced user.
So my last words were aimed at users, who cannot solve such situation - as a warning, not as insult to any other contributor.

Best regards!
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Try to restore your system to little while back may be you have confect within your windows registry and this restoring solve your problem.
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So my last words were aimed at users, who cannot solve such situation - as a warning, not as insult to any other contributor.

Best regards!
Thanks for making things clear.
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Try leaving generic M$ IDE drivers and copy "ATAPI.SY_" from winXP installation CD, rename it to "atapi.sys" and overwrite the same file located in windows\system32. After restart, it should work - works for me with Nec 4551A having problems with reading and writing DVD-R's
Tried this. Doesn´t work. I have a 4550 on a Win XP SP2.
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Tried this. Doesn´t work. I have a 4550 on a Win XP SP2.
Yes, same here. Tried to bypass win sys file protection by reseting computer after restarting, but, still, the same old song, won't read DVD-R. Just to make clear, I have no problem burnin' -R's, just reading.
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To add to Kreten's observations I too have had similar problems not reading -R on a NEC 3520 running Windows 2000, but boot to safe mode -R are read under Windows 2000. My system is dual boot with Win98SE which I just tried in Win98SE, and it reads -R just fine. I've seen quite a few threads on this problem with NEC 3520 and later drives, and it sure would be great if somebody could resolve such an illogical problem.
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Posted: 04-04-2007
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Your OS/drivers are crapped. Clean install.
This will not be the case. Mine 4550 went unusable in few hours of burning/testing. On start it was ok, after few discs it had trouble to access disc sometime, after few other dvds it didn't read anything after itself and reporting blank cd-r. I am pretty sure that OS or drivers did not change and that the same system without reinstall is now running nice with liteon and 4571 without troubles except that mine 4571 is crap.. but it reads fine.

I forgot ... XP SP2, intel chipset ... the drive is having still same problem in another computer. Still I think that I maybe could try to take this drive on a walk and connect it through usb to as many computers I can if anything change.
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mark_twist, your experience in more than 1 computer, the same kind of problem experienced by Kreten in more than 1 system and my experience of my 3520 reading -R in Win98SE but not in Win2K all seem to point to some kind of issue with some NEC drives and some Windows versions. It's most likely some firmware issue or driver issue with certain OS versions IMO, but I have no clue where to begin to resolve this.
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Posted: 06-04-2007
Why don't you try to upgrade your Firmwares or
Throw that piece of junk of NEC and buy Plextor or Pioneer. I have Pioneer 111D and i dont have any problems.
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Bevills1, I don't think so - I experienced this with more than one ND4550. After I discovered this problem on unit of mine I immediatelly tried few different firmwares, some modified, some official... and different version numbers.
And besides ... from last time I tried it on usb reduction. Desktop and notebook, connected via IDE->USB2 reduction. One had win xp pro, the other xp home. Little difference. Long loading which resulted _sometimes_ to let me see what's on that disc, just on few medias, on others nothing. Same very long loading happened when I tried the unit just on power, without data connection - of course I can not tell if it did read contents or not - but it did load too long.
But I have new idea... I will try this under linux (:
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It's not surprising you experienced it with more than 1 4570 just as there've been more than 1 user who had problems with 3540, 3520 and other NECs. I highly suspect I'd have problems if I bought another NEC which is why I will not buy another NEC.

It may very well work in Linux just as it works very well in Win98 for me and in Vista by others, and getting another OS should work as well as getting another brand drive although other media would be less time consuming and less costly in the long run. Linux will likely work fine if that's your preferred solution.
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Posted: 11-05-2007
i have a nec 3540a....
same prob and all...
my opinion is that this PROBLEM must resolve NEC by themselves, so its not ours bad that we had done! So much ppl with same prob, isnt it WEIRD !!! F..K NEC and their cr...ps , im very pissed of with this thing....Sry for my Bad Eng btw.

I think they should release some Patch, Update, Firmware that will fix this!!
Dont u think same?!
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Since MS (XP) have broken things. Shouldn't it be MS to fix it?
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