Changing NEC DVD±R write strategies (results thread)

NEC / Optiarc Writer Discuss, Changing NEC DVD±R write strategies (results thread) at CD, DVD and Blu-ray Writers forum; The purpose of this thread The purpose of this thread is for people to post results of their write strategy changes. The idea is that people can look at this thread and find out what write strategy replacements might be worth trying. Posting guidelines for this thread 1/ Please, results

  1. Old Posted: 10-06-2005
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    The purpose of this thread

    The purpose of this thread is for people to post results of their write strategy changes. The idea is that people can look at this thread and find out what write strategy replacements might be worth trying.

    Posting guidelines for this thread

    1/ Please, results only! Questions, comments, suggestions, etc., should be posted elsewhere where appropriate, in the media forum, in a thread of its own, etc.

    2/ Please provide detailed information! This includes the media code (the media code block is not necessary, but please do include the media code revision, as provided by DVD Identifier, general information about the media (e.g., for Verbatim media, where it was manufactured is relevant, and for Ritek media, its media grade is relevant), the drive and firmware used to burn, the speed of the burn, and of course, the write strategy that you used (that's the whole point of this, eh? ).

    3/ Feel free to post any result that you get! Even if it's a bad result, you can post it so that people will know not to try it. And please don't hesitate to post results that are similar to what other people have gotten! It's very nice to have multiple people post about a certain replacement so that the readers can get a confirmation that things really do work (or don't work).


    The layout of this first posting was adapted from the Liteon/Omnipatcher thread Changing DVD±R write strategies (results thread)

    Check the MediaCodeSpeedEdit support for NEC DVD-Writers thread to find out how to apply the neccessary changes to your firmware.
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  2. Old Posted: 10-06-2005
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    MID: RICOHJPN-R02
    Brand: Platinum
    Type: DVD+R 8x rated
    Burned as: Image File
    Burn strategy used: RICOHJPN-R03
    Burned at: 16x speed
    Burntime: 5:46 (only 3.8 GB)
    Firmware: NEC 3520 W3.04

    Not really 16x speed, but atleast CAV.
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    File Type: png RICOHJPN-R02@RICOHJPN-R03@16x@3520W3.04_Write.png (19.8 KB, 3123 views)
    File Type: png RICOHJPN-R02@RICOHJPN-R03@16x@3520W3.04_Scan.png (16.2 KB, 3087 views)
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    Drive: ND-35540A
    Firmware: NEC 1.01
    Old MID: RICOHJPN-R01-002
    New MID:RICOHJPN-R02-003
    Burnspeed: 12X
    Burntime: 6:52

    Results can be found here (posted in the wrong thread )
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    Drive: ND-35540A
    Firmware: NEC 1.01
    Old MID: CMC MAG E01-000
    New MID: YUDEN000T02-000
    Burnspeed: 12X
    Burntime: 7:03

    Comment: Don't try this at home
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    File Type: png CMC_MAG_E01_T02_12X_Q.png (47.3 KB, 3036 views)
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    Drive: ND-35540A
    Firmware: NEC 1.01
    Old MID: VDSPMSAB01
    New MID: MCC02RG20
    Burnspeed: 8X
    Burntime: 10:20
    Attached Images
    File Type: png VDSPMSAB_01_MCC02RG20_8X_Q.png (47.0 KB, 2958 views)
    File Type: png VDSPMSAB_01_MCC02RG20_8X_T.png (37.8 KB, 2907 views)
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    MID: CMC MAG E01
    Brand: No Label
    Type: DVD+R 8x rated
    Burned as: Image File
    Burn strategy used: MCC 004
    Burned at: 16x speed
    Burntime: 06:27
    Firmware: NEC 3540 W1.01dtb



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    MID: MCC 02RG20
    Brand: TuffDisc
    Type: DVD-R 8x rated
    Burned as: Image File
    Burn strategy used: MCC 03RG20
    Burned at: 16x speed
    Burntime: 06:32
    Firmware: NEC 3540 W1.01dtb



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    MID: RITEKG05
    Brand: Traxdata
    Type: DVD-R 8x rated
    Burned as: DVD Video
    Burn strategy used: RITEKF1
    Burned at: 12x speed
    Burntime: 07:04
    Firmware: NEC 3540 W1.01dtb



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  9. Old Posted: 10-06-2005
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    philips fujifilmm03 to tgy02
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    ridata r03 v2 to mcc003 burn't at 12x
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    ridata r03 v2 to mcc004 burn't at 16x feel the burn
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    Drive: ND-35540A
    Firmware: NEC 1.01
    Old MID: RITEKG05
    New MID: MCC02RG20
    Burnspeed: 12X
    Burntime: 6:48
    Attached Images
    File Type: png RITEKG05_MCC02RG20_12X_Q.png (46.5 KB, 2757 views)
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  13. Old Posted: 11-06-2005
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    Drive: ND-35540A
    Firmware: NEC 1.01
    Brand: Datawrite Titanium
    Type: DVD-R 8X
    Old MID: CMC MAG AE1
    New MID: MCC02RG20
    Burnspeed: 12X
    Burntime: 6:53
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  14. Old Posted: 11-06-2005
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    It seems to me we need more tests done with 3520.....
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    Quote:
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    It seems to me we need more tests done with 3520.....
    i heartly agree
  16. Old Posted: 12-06-2005
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    MID: YUDEN000 T02-000
    Brand: fuji
    Type: DVD+R 8Xrated
    Burn strategy used: MCC 004
    Burned at: 16x speed
    Burntime: 06:13
    Firmware: Modified Firmware V 1.W3
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    MID: RICOHJPN R02-003
    Brand: Platinum
    Type: DVD+R 8x rated
    Burned as: DVD Video
    Burn strategy used: YUDEN000 T03
    Burned at: 16x speed
    Burntime: 06:08 (full dvd)
    Firmware: NEC 3540 1.01dtb

    Why can't I get 'Show Write Speed' to work. Who can help me?



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    MID: RICOHJPN R02-003
    Brand: Platinum
    Type: DVD+R 8x rated
    Burned as: DVD Video
    Burn strategy used: YUDEN000 T02
    Burned at: 16x speed
    Burntime: 06:19 (full dvd)
    Firmware: NEC 3540 1.01dtb

    The YUDEN000 T03 is better with this media at 16x!



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  19. Old Posted: 12-06-2005
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    You have to burn with cdspeed create data disk. In cdspeed/File/Options/Standard Tests/Transfer Rate/Write Options check 'Include test data' and optionaly 'Burn image file' if you want to burn a nero or iso image.
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  20. Old Posted: 12-06-2005
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    Thanks ala42 for the answer. I not always have a .iso file to burn and only had the 'Burn image file' selected.

    I have my doubt about 16x burning in CDSpeed. That's why I burn most DVD's (including .iso files) with CopyToDVD 3.0.55.
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  21. Old Posted: 12-06-2005
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    CD Speed has a bug at least on the 3540 where ticking the option to create a data disc causes 16x burns to not reach 16x (Speed drop part way through burn). Dee has mentioned this to Erik who develops CD Speed as a possible bug. When I do not tick the option to create a data disc it reaches 16x (With a drop off in speed towards the end but that might be media variances. I am going to try MCC04 write strat on my Fuji Yuden T02's as someone tested above and see if I get as good a reading. It's a shame he did not include a CD Burn speed graph though to see if it was a stable 16x burn or not. I suggest people try to do that where they can as it tells us so much more about a burn!).
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    Fujifilm 8x DVD+R from aprmedia @ 16x
    Old MID YUDEN T02
    New MID MCC004
    Batch # 1159
    Burner 3540 1.01 Liggy & Dee W3
    These are mediocre for TY media but do indeed burn better using the MCC004 write strat than T02 strat. PIF max jumped by 1 from 2 to 3 but PIF total and average is about the same.


    Transfer test is smooth to 16x

    Just to compare to default write strat for this media.
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    Here is an interesting test of Datasafe 8x DVD+R
    Old MID MCC003
    New MID MCC004
    Ignoring the odd PIE peaks this is a nice scan for this brand of MCC003's. My average PIE is usually a lot higher and PIF too is substantially lower than with the default strat. Now if Dee could figure out a way to tweak those PIE peaks out perhaps it would become an excellent strategy.

    I'd like to see a Verbatim MCC003 using MCC004 write strat for comparison.


    Transfer test was smooth to 16x (No point using bandwidth on images of that)

    I am very happy with this burn
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    I'd like to see what Datawrite CMC MAG AE1 (The good batches) look like using MCC004 @ 16x now. But I can't be bothered right now. If someone wants to give it a shot in the meantime though I'd be very interested. MCC004 strats look like a good generalised 16x burn strategy thus far.
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DeadMan
    I'd like to see what Datawrite CMC MAG AE1 (The good batches) look like using MCC004 @ 16x now.
    See post number 6 (but not Datawrite). Maybe I can do RICOHJPNR02 with MCC004 write strat.
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