CDFreaks First Look at the NEC ND-3540A

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Old Posted: 14-06-2005
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Greetings,
The NEC ND-3540A First Look article is now online.



http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/206/1

This article should have been up much sooner but we were investigating some of the results with NEC.
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Thanks for the preview. It's a pitty that a real review is not available yet

I suspect there still are issues with this drive which make that CDFreaks has not released a real review yet (the same holds for the Benq 1640 unfortunately).

Like many others I want to buy either the Nec 3540 or the Benq 1640.
I'm still waiting for the reviews to make up my choice.
We'll just have to be more patient...
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I suspect there still are issues with this drive which make that CDFreaks has not released a real review yet (the same holds for the Benq 1640 unfortunately).
Not quite.
Full reviews take much longer since the amount of media tested increases more than ten-fold.
Don't worry, we will of course have full reviews of the NEC ND-3540A and the BenQ 1640A.
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Thanks for the preview. It's a pitty that a real review is not available yet
The "first look" from Wesociety is better than a full review from some people working for different domain names. I know a lot of paid reviewers and website owners that write DVD writer reviews of less tests, less pages, and no PIE/PIF scans.
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Don't worry, we will of course have full reviews of the NEC ND-3540A and the BenQ 1640A.
Could we please have a head-to-head comparison of these two fine specimens?
Old Posted: 16-06-2005
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Head to head?

You can compare the supported features, specifications and writing speed performance by reading the First Look articles.
First Look: BenQ DW1640 DVD burner
First Look: NEC ND-3540A DVD burner

Our full reviews on both drives will analyze burn quality with PI/PIF scans on LiteOn hardware and 16x transfer rate/read tests. At that time, you will be able to compare the writing quality "head to head".
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Old Posted: 16-06-2005
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On the full review, are you going to use FW 1.01 or 1.W3?
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Old Posted: 16-06-2005
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Official NEC firmware.
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I'll just quote the responses that I wrote at the article's page:

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Reaction Posted by Ron the 2nd on 15 June 2005 - 21:26 | Moderated @ 1 |
And according to the picture it was manufacturered in May, not March...


Reaction Posted by Ron the 2nd on 15 June 2005 - 21:35 | Moderated @ 1 |
Why does the name of the drive (in the system) begins with a "_" ? Meaning that the name is: "_NEC DVD_RW ND-3540A"?
Why did the guys at NEC put this "_" at the beginning of the name?
(I myself have this drive, and also my drive has the _ in its name...)

I know that it's not important - but I'm curious...


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@Ron, thx for that. I'm not sure why they use an underscore in the drive ID string, but I shall ask NEC.
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On the full review, are you going to use FW 1.01 or 1.W3?
Hehe, i don't think NEC would be pleased if the drive was reviewed with unofficial firmware. Or the management here for that matter.
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Hehe, Or the management here for that matter.
You have management say it aint so I so want to see this forum as a bunch of aging hippies with ideals.
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Nice work, but you should use .png for more clear shots, usually size is smaller than with .jpg too for text/apps. For photos .jpg is better.
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Head to head?
Yes, testing them on the same platform, with the same media and comparing the results against each other.
Two drives reviewed in the same article. Why should it be a problem?

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You can compare the supported features, specifications and writing speed performance by reading the First Look articles.
First Look: BenQ DW1640 DVD burner
First Look: NEC ND-3540A DVD burner
Unfortunately, you tested the drives with different hardware (and possibly different media).

So far, I can see the following differences:

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Average             BenQ                NEC
-------             ----                ---
Pressed CD read     35.57X              34.19X
CD-R read           36.41X              35.66X
CD-RW read          30.64X              31.43X
Audio CD read       37.29X              30.95X
99min CD read       38.17X               --
DVD video read      11.95X              5.99X
DVD video DL read   9.02X               5.46X
DVD ROM read         ??                 11.90X
DVD+R read          12.07X              11.92X
DVD+RW read         9.33X               9.90X
DVD-R read          12.07X              11.99X
DVD-RW read         9.33X               9.88X
DVD+R9 read         9.05X               5.46X
DVD-R9 read          --                 5.47X
CD-R Write          35.02X (2:59)       36.65X (2:46)
CD-RW write         30X (3:10 P-CAV)    29.58X (3:07 Z-CLV)
DVD+R Write         11.4X (5:46)        11.82X (5:53)
DVD+RW Write        7.7X (7:51)         8X (7:18)
DVD+R Write         11.28X (6:07)       11.78X (5:54)
DVD+RW Write        5.90X (10:28)       5.79X (10:38)
DVD+R9 write        7.5X (15:04 P-CAV)  6.54X (18:31 Z-CLV) [issues]
DVD-R9 write         --                 5.65X (20:42 Z-CLV) [issues]

Spec.
DVD access time     120ms               140ms
Old Posted: 18-06-2005
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@alexo, thanks for the comparison table!

Our review team will consider doing a head-to-head article.
But as I stated earlier, once the full reviews are published, you should be able to make some good comparisons between the two drives.
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Old Posted: 22-06-2005
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The S-B-S Comparison is impressive but couldn't NEC's drive by Flashed with new Firmware to give it better numbers?
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I'm a newbie and I'm confused. Is the 3540 and 3540A the same?
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The S-B-S Comparison is impressive but couldn't NEC's drive by Flashed with new Firmware to give it better numbers?
Perhaps, but somebody has to test it, no?

Here's a summary of a BenQ review:
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Revi...4268&PageId=24
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I'm a newbie and I'm confused. Is the 3540 and 3540A the same?
yes
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I just ordered the 3450 from newegg. $50 shipped was to difficult to turn down. Given the success with the 3500, I'm hoping the 3450 turns out just as good.
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I just read both reviews, but I have to say I am very impressed by the BenQ DW1640

As you see almost all negative points of the BenQ are also negative points of the NEC, but not mentioned at the negative points of NEC (else maybe list to long?).
- Reads CD-RW only at 40x (same for NEC)
- Green LED for both reading and writing (same for NEC)
- Does not support Mt. Rainier (same for NEC)
(- Does not support LightScribe - NEC supports?)

The PIE/PIF tests overall looks better on the BenQ, so far. I am curious to see the full review.

Now I own a NEC 3500, which I am very pleased with, but I cannot do any testing with it (why is the firmware not public yet, no reason more to hold it back, because NEC will never release it? so just give it out for whoever wants to try it)

I think now I will go for the BenQ.
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Nice work, but you should use .png for more clear shots, usually size is smaller than with .jpg too for text/apps. For photos .jpg is better.
Go to Buffalo homepage (melcoinc.co.jp) for clear shots.

@Ron the 2nd

Maybe just because of the same reason some of us use _ as in KEN_2005_CDF instead of Kenny 2005 at CDFreaks.com.
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As you see almost all negative points of the BenQ are also negative points of the NEC, but not mentioned at the negative points of NEC (else maybe list to long?).
- Reads CD-RW only at 40x (same for NEC)
- Green LED for both reading and writing (same for NEC)
- Does not support Mt. Rainier (same for NEC)
(- Does not support LightScribe - NEC supports?)
Perhaps because NEC was reviewed by Wesociety and BenQ was reviewed by Jan70. And NEC and BenQ have different characteristics (for instance, NEC with no bitsetting and BenQ with full bitsetting.) And "postive" and "negative" in any review are very subjective. Those small irregularities are found more if you compare more DVD burner reviews.
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@Ron the 2nd

Maybe just because of the same reason some of us use _ as in KEN_2005_CDF instead of Kenny 2005 at CDFreaks.com.
Your theory doesn't answer why it is "_NEC" and not just "NEC".
I think that they probably didn't even notice that there is an underscore in the beginning...
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I believe the ATAPI standard requires the manufactures ID string to be at lease 4 characters long, and I'm not sure if a space can be used so, _NEC although I guess NEC_ could also have been used.
NEC have always done it this way.
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Your theory doesn't answer why it is "_NEC" and not just "NEC".
I think that they probably didn't even notice that there is an underscore in the beginning...
I didn't mean it's exactly to replace space with _. I'm looking at HL-DT-ST and DVDRAM instead of HLDS or LG and DVD-RAM respectively. DVD200j name is common instead of DVD200i which is the official model name for HP's second-generation DVD+RW drive product for internal version. What I meant is that they are not natural languages or even model names and engineers have their own special (or silly) way to name something. Ask newegg.com why they say 16x CD/DVD Drive ATA Internal or something like that instead of just ND-3540A or PX-716A.
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