CloneCD - Down & Dirty (Excellent Copy Protection background info & Basics)
| CD Backup Guides and Tutorials Discuss, CloneCD - Down & Dirty (Excellent Copy Protection background info & Basics) at Copy Protection forum; Check the FAQ My SD2 butta cutta, killer burner gives me coasters! WTF? Read this Do I need the Intel® Bus Master IDE driver THINGS FIRST Use our search function ! CD Basics How do I backup Medal of Honor or Serious Sam:SE or C&C Renegade? They are protected by |
Posted: 01-03-2002 - #1
 Check the FAQ My SD2 butta cutta, killer burner gives me coasters! WTF? Read this Do I need the Intel® Bus Master IDE driver THINGS FIRST Use our search function! CD Basics How do I backup Medal of Honor or Serious Sam:SE or C&C Renegade? They are protected by SafeDisc 2.51.021. If you don't have one of these writers, then it's not happening in any burning proggy without additional measures!
How to check DMA and PIO Mode is no good! Rule #1! Install from the orginal. Thanks to Noxcyber for the tip... Quote:
Google if you need a specific file or further technical information about, say, EFM or Beta Values, Wobble, pre-gaps etc Nero & Clone do two different things very well. Nero is best at pre-mastering & Clone is best at duplicating in RAW DAO. Clone is a better duper than Nero but Clone doesn't pre-master, it's not designed to do that If you want perfect audio 1:1 use Feurio! or ExactAudioCopy; Clone gives most acceptable results though, at a 4x-8x read with NO subs written onto a purpose audio CD-R; but you can always try audio subs at first Other burning proggys.... At the time of writing, Blindsuite & CD-Mate have come a long way. Blindsuite will do some titles (eg LaserLock) for some devices that can't do it in CloneCD. CD-Mate works great for early Firmware revisions in some devices. Stuck with pre-5s07 in your LITEON LTR-24102B? Use CD-Mate. Flash to at least 5s07 & Clone will produce a faster dupe. DiscJuggler will also produce copys from error based protections and is an excellent tool for P-W subs Roxio burning software ( Easy CD Creator et al)...hmm...it does what it is advertised to do & does it well. Current reports state that the latest version can live with CloneCD, Daemon’s Tools et al. The fact was that it couldn’t live with most other ASPI dependent software on your system Disable IMAPI if you have XP >> Control Panel/Administrative Tools/Services..right click IMAPI & disable. DO NOT install the MS update for the on-board (Roxio) XP burning software..well look, you can, but you face difficult times ahead Disable the built-in burning software - right click the burner...properties & choose "Disable..." Bookmark the CloneCD User Page Title protections from here; required disc size 74' or 80' also stated Bookmark CD Media World's Protection List from here Bookmark Recommended CloneCD Settings from here. Add AWS on the burn if required Bookmark (Author of CloneCD) Olli's site! Interview! Olli's FAQ! All of Olli's posts at Club CD Freaks can be viewed from here! See what Stretch has to say. Check out your writer's compatibility here, here & here Bookmark Andy McFadden's CD-Recordable FAQ from here. It's an essential resource! Bookmark Chip Chapin's CD Media Primer from here. More Articles here Quote:
Use the latest version of CloneCD from here ASPI File Layer system. If you have Win2K or XP you will have issues. These Two Sites are a good read. More from here ASPI is now free and has been for most of 2002:You can download Force ASPI from these links:[list][*]For WinXP Only[*]For Win2K Only[*]For Win9X Only Use 4.60 for Win9x  Install DAEMON's Tools. Test your images for RAW-ness, without emulation, before burning! Or play them straight from the HDD. Don't forget to RTFM Win2K is not ATA66 'out of the box' (MS KB Article Q247951 ). Read about ATA100 in Win2K You need a MS hotfix or you can use X-Setup. XP is not 66/100 'out of the box' either but at least you don't need a hotfix - just fiddle around in Device Manager. Grab the TCCD from here & the CloneDB from here Motherboards VIA Chipsets The latest VIA 4in1 driver suite is stable; up to 4.28 is also stable; if you have XP, just use the native drivers, don't install 4in1 just because you can, although install the latest 4in1 (from their website, not someone else's) if you think you have problems. Excellent reading & driver info here. Late reports recommend the GART & Miniport drivers. The VIA IDE Miniport driver does not install with the VIA 4in1 drivers. It should only be installed on systems with a VIA chipset and:
SiS & AMD No problems I know of, try the latest drivers ALi (Acer/Benq) chipsets are part of the disturbing trend of providing drivers but recommending a visit to the board's manufacturer's website - good luck! Hybrid Hybrid chipsets (eg AMD Northbridge & VIA Southbridge) require the drivers written by the Motherboard manufacturer - visit their website. Here's an example of what I mean SCSI SCSI + CloneCD + certain SCSI Cards (+ certain MoBo) do not work well. If this is your problem..try another SCSI card first if you can (don't wanna see those Cheetas go to waste do we?) PIO Mode The problem with PIO is CPU overhead. It will strangle a UDMA device on the same channel. Many optical devices are still PIO, can't & never will run in UDMA Mode, so there is little alternative but to bundle PIO devices (disks or CD/DVD-ROM and burner) onto the one channel. Burning on the fly, off the one channel, with this configuration is asking for a coaster & unnecessary frustration. Burning on the fly with a PIO/UDMA combination is also frustrating. EIDE Can't Copy-on-the-Fly? Get those fat, fast |33t HDDs onto IDE 1 or the RAID channels & put your optical AT devices onto IDE 2 if you really want to copy on the fly. Hey, sure you can put that PIO 4 on the same channel as your Maxtor ATA133 Viper…very 386. You can safely place two, different speed UDMA devices onto the one channel. UDMA technology ensures that the channel does not run both devices at the slowest speed. UDMA Enable in the BIOS (if available) & Device Manager; if you've installed the Intel Ultra ATA Storage Driver then the DMA box in 9x will be missing. MS KB Articles about UDMA. See this MS KB Article about ATA100 in Win2K. XP & Missing 'ROMs Go to the MS site, find the Knowledge Base & search for CD CD-ROM CD-RW CD-R; here, I've done it for you Hardware ATA described. SCSI stuff here. EIDE here. COMMON & FAQ QUESTIONS My CD-Rom or CD-Writer does not work with CloneCD! CloneCD tells me, it is "not compatible"! Olli says: Quote:
What's SafeDisc 2? A very clever thought out copy protection but simplistic in its application. It simply asks the burner to do what it's not supposed to do! It is responsible for the fact that only a few brands of burners with specific chipsets can successfully backup titles with this copy protection. Look here as well Tiger Woods is SD 2.51.020 and some writers failed over at this point – try AWS. Some older Plextors & Philips. Reports of some Plex 24 & 40x but these are scarce as hen's teeth & chickens with lips. Blame organised pirates, the warez scene, Sony & Macrovision, in that order What's AWS & When is it Needed Amplify Weak Sectors It's a workaround for burners not capable of Correct EFM Encoding of Reular Bit Patterns. The registry hack does not work as CloneCD will simply check the locale & disable AWS as required by local laws What's an ATIP? Look here What's "Hide CD-R Media"? Hide CD-R Media simply blocks the ATIP reading so the game will play from a CD-Writer! You'll find it in the CloneCD System Tray Icon but not available in US or JP Operating System locales. SD2.4.x introduced the ATIP check Should I use Error Correction? Read Olli's comments about EC..you be the judge I get a "MEDIUM ERROR" Use a different brand of CD-R (yours is obviously  ); write at the certified speed of the CD-R. Don't do any video editing while burning on your 486 (well, you get the idea). Follow the software & hardware advice above. The Acer 12x is well known for being media picky. Each writer has a media catalogue encoded on the chipset - flash upgrades more often than not will upgrade the media catalogue thus improving your chances of success with less than optimal media.Should I use subs all the time? No. Only when required. However, you can try them if you don't know the protection to be defeated. You can also mount the .cue or .ccd in D-Tools & run from there without emulation (RTFM). Disable emu, to discover if it's SecuROM or LaserLock. SafeDisc is also emulated. READING / IMAGING What's Regenerate Data Sectors? A recent option in CloneCD that allows the Error Correction to be rebuilt for damaged discs. It's also hand for unreliable subchannel readers and the newer versions of SecuROM (NWN and WC3 for example). The Liteon 24102B benefits from this setting. What's Fast Error Skip? Intentional errors on a CD are basically binary trash. This setting tells Clone that they are present & to 'move on'. Reading the image is much faster; although, it can slow some readers down (A reader can be any optical device) What're Fast Error Skip Settings.. Click this button, choose "default"; if you have a LITEON or Toshiba DVD-ROM then select "0" for retries. They are 'set & forget'. It is almost useless to experiment but there are other considerations..which are not relevant here. LITEON does not support a Software setting & will change to Hardware on the read What's the Log? Click Tools then select Log. You can save the log & then paste it as part of your post for troubleshooting; don't be afraid to post your log! Just leave out the errors between the first & last, please What're subchannels? Look here You only needs subs for Karaoke (both), SecuROM (data), PSX LibCrypt (data) & ProtectCD (both - most of the time). The subs do 'digital' signatures & fingerprints for prots as well as..well, read Andy McFadden's FAQ! Reader & Writer capability of 16 bytes for SecuROM/ProtectCD & 96 for PSX/Karaoke required. Some devices will not produce a working backup of SD2 if subs are ticked for the read because their sector regeneration for the write is completely wrong. Quote:
Required for LockBlocks & LaserLock if compatible Start at 100 & progress to 1K - it should speed things up If it gets slower then you're not compatible OC-Freak took 3 days, once, for a read.. What's Abort on Read Error? Well, it stops if there's an error - useful when there should be no errors on the original ie non-SD You'll get a coaster if you are On the Fly..anyway.. Most useful for imaging - you know the image'll be OK What's Don't Report Read Errors? If you know it's SD or some other Error prot then you can tick this option to make the Log smaller What's Read Speed About? Shows the supported Read Speeds. Read Speed can be subjective, i.e. no scientific basis for selected speed. Audio is often best done at a 4x. Older burners should use the read speed of their burner.. Don't ask me why you can't get 3x, eh? What's all the crap on the right side of the read window Well, I loaded Commandos 2 #1 for a read; guess what? For a start, on line 17, it says "Time: 74:02:33.." Bing! - I need an 80' disc to back it up (some 74' discs will not overburn past 73:59, so why chance it?). Disc #2 will fit onto a 74' disc. Some titles will not run without an an 80' disc present anyway. What's this "Create "Cue-Sheet" thingy"? A .cue file allows the image to be burned by other proggys. Now that D-Tools supports the .ccd file, you don't really need it. Why would you burn a ccd image with another proggy..ah, you're a pirate Can I Overburn? Overburn what exactly? It's a duplicator not a pre-master of software. Every game title I know of fits onto an 80' / 700 MB CD-R. Clone will burn out to 90' but it is device & media dependent - don't blame Clone! Some Overburn Test Results 90' & 99' discs Everything You Needed To Know About PCs But Were Afraid to Ask Interesting Hardware Stuff Here Got a question about Sector sizes or Data Block Types? Look at Table 147 on page 162 here OSTA FAQ - a must read for all experience levels about CD-R/W technology Quantized Systems Knowledge Base - good expert level information CloneCD Reading Info Check out some LaserLockRead Times here
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