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Help on copying Rise of Nations

Hi, can someone help me as to which programs I use to copy Rise of Nations (Safedisc 2.70.030)
I have never copyed a copy protected game before and I need help.

Thanks very much
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Re: Help on copying Rise of Nations

Go to www.vso-software.fr , and download BlindWrite 5.
This is very easy to use, just click go and it works.

Or use Alcohol 120%, http://www.alcohol-software.com/ and download Alcohol 120%, easy to use, when installed just use copy wizard, select Safedisc 2/3 on the profile menu, then select speed 4x then click next then again then it will start reading.

HTH, there are tutorials in the sub-forum.
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Re: Help on copying Rise of Nations

Update: If you are attempting to copy The Sims Unleashed, Total Club Manager, Need For Speed Hot Pursuit 2 or any other game protected with safedisc 2.8x or 2.9x, the only reliable methods are to use alcohol or make an image with discdump and burn that image with fireburner in either dao16 or dao96 mode. A discdump image burnt with nero in dao96 mode generally will also work but the copy will be inferior to one made using fireburner. Reports as to attempts (and my personal experience) with discjuggler, blindwrite, cdmate and burnatonce (image read with internal discdump) are mixed. There have been a number of successes but also a number of failures with those programs. Note: Although this thread is about software other than clonecd, with the current version of clonecd (4.2.0.2), clonecd also falls into the hit or miss category along with discjuggler, blindwrite, cdmate and burnatonce.

The ability to copy games protected with safedisc 2 is almost entirely dependent upon the capabilities of your cdrw. Whilst a number of writers are able to make perfect copies of early versions of safedisc 2, only a limited number of writers are able to copy cds protected with safedisc version 2.51.021 or above (beginning with Medal of Honor: Allied Assault).

Each of the writers listed below is able to make perfect copies of any cd with safedisc 2 protection released to date with suitable software. The list is taken from FutureProof's Clone-Down & Dirty sticky which you should read to obtain further information on this issue.

KNOWN SAFEDISC 2 KILLERS

"ARTEC CDRW241040+
ASUS CRW-1610A
ASUS CRW-3210A
ASUS CRW-4012A
ASUS CRW-4816A
ASUS CRW-5224A
BTC BCE-3212IM
BTC BCE 4012IM
BTC CDRW IDE 4816
BTC BCE-4824IM
BTC CDWRITER IDE 4824
BTC CDWRITER IDE 5224
BTC BCE-5224IM
CYBERDRIVE CW099D 52x24x52
LG GCE-8160B
LG GCE-8320B
LG-GCE-8400B
LITEON LTR-12102B
LITEON LTR-16102B
LITEON LTR-24102B
LITEON LTR-24103S
LITEON LTR-32123S
LITEON LTR-40125S
LITEON LTR-48125W
LITEON LTR-52246S
LITEON LXR-40122
MEMOREX - six models
Mitsumi CR-485CTE
POLAROID BurnMax 40
POLAROID BurnMax 48
POLAROID BurnMax 52
Sony CRX175A1
Sony CRX185E1
Sony CRX185E3
Sony CRX195E1
Sony CRX220E2
TEAC CD-W548E
TOSHIBA SD-R1202 DVD Combo Drive
TOSHIBA SD-R1312
TOSHIBA SD-R2312
TOSHIBA SD-R2412
TOSHIBA SD-R5002
TRAXDATA CDRW-2440MB
TRAXDATA CDRW-2440SD
TRAXDATA CDRW-4824E
TRAXDATA CDRW-5224E
TDK devotees should read this
WAITEC FRISBY11

These two Sony's may be questionable for SD 2.51.021 +

SONY CR-X175A1
SONY CR-X185E3

The LG GCE-8320B may also questionable.."

I will update this list from time to time as information about new writers comes to hand (or, more likely, being lazy, as and when FutureProof does so).

If you have one of these writers you will be able to make a perfect back-up copy of any safedisc 2 protected game with suitable software. Clonecd is, of course, suitable for this purpose BUT so too are a number of other burning programs.

Other suitable programs for safedisc 2 back-ups include:

a) Blindwrite

b) Cd-Mate

c) Burnatonce (FREEWARE) (with thanks to jamieo for developing the program and to roadworker for putting me onto it)

d) Alcohol 120%

e) DiscJuggler

f) Discdump (to make the disc image) and Fireburner , Cdrwin , Nero or Burnatonce (to burn the image)

Each of these programs is fully capable of making perfect back-ups of safedisc 2 protected cds with suitable hardware. In fact, although I am a registered and satisfied user of clonecd, in the past I have generally used discdump together with fireburner for my safedisc 2 back-ups but have recently switched to the freeware burnatonce.

Instructions as to how to use each of the programs referred to above to make a back-up of a safedisc 2 protected cd are set out below in this post.

IF YOUR WRITER'S NOT ON THE LIST

If you don't have one of the known safedisc 2 killers referred to above, you will not be able to copy the latest safedisc 2 protected games (e.g. MOHAA, C&C Renegade) without special measures and your chances of getting a perfect copy are limited.

If your writer is not one of those listed above as a safedisc 2 killer, it may, nevertheless, succeed in making a working copy by amplifying weak sectors when burning the image. This option is referred to in clonecd as AWS, in blindwrite as enhance weak sectors, in alcohol 120% as bypass efm errors, and in cdmate as SAM but is not available in burnatonce, fireburner, cdrwin or nero nor AFAIK in discjuggler (someone please correct me if I'm wrong about discjuggler). [IMPORTANT NOTE: If your writer is a known safedisc 2 killer, you should never use this option; a) it isn't necessary, and b) if you do, there is every chance you will get a coaster.]

However, you should note that there is no guarantee of success if amplifying weak sectors is necessary and results will vary from game to game and from writer to writer (even those of the same make, model and firmware) and, in the case of many writers will not work at all. You can but try, and, if it works, great; but, if it doesn't, don't be too disappointed.

BACKING UP SAFEDISC 2 PROTECTED CDS WITH VARIOUS BURNING PROGRAMS

The instructions below all assume that your writer is a known safedisc 2 killer and also assume that you have an ordinary cd/dvd rom on your system from which to install and run your back-up.

[If you only have a writer, you won't be able to run the back-up without a utility to hide the atip of your copy running in the background. The best known such utility is, of course, clonecd's hide cd media but alcohol's don't detect cd media also works and insector may also work (perhaps lapinou can provide further information on that program). You can also play your back-up from a writer by using daemon tools with safedisc emulation on (thanks olivierfromfran).]

Note also: No matter which program you use to make an image of the cd, don't be concerned about either the fact that initially the cd reading proceeds at snail's pace or that the program reports numerous read errors. This is normal for all safedisc protected cds because, as part of the protection, the cds have numerous bad sectors in the first 10,000 sectors or so (generally between 550 and 600 for safedisc 2). Once the reading program has finished reading those sectors, normal extraction will resume and the remainder of the cd will be read in a few minutes, at most (even on a slow reader).

You should also note that no matter which burning program you use, you should choose a burning speed that does not exceed the rated maximum of the cdr and, if you have any doubts about the quality of the media, preferably, choose a lower speed, say 4x or 8x if that is as slow as your writer can burn.

BLINDWRITE

1. After loading the program start blindread by clicking on the blindread icon (it's the one on the left).

2. Insert the cd you want to copy into your preferred reader and then, at the first blindread screen, select "Dump the image of a CDROM" and click on Next to take you to the second screen.

3. At the second screen, select you reader, the name of the image file and folder where it is to be stored (initially, by default, blindread will select the root directory of the c: drive, though I suggest that you change this to say c:\temp, and, by default will use the cd label name as the image file name) and the format under which the image file is to be stored (the alternatives are: bwi/bwt/bws, bin/cue/sub and iso/sub; I suggest that you use bwi/bwt/bws as it is the native blindwrite format). At this screen, do not check either "Authorise the use of alternative read method" or the option to extract sub-codes as neither is necessary. Then click on Next to go to the third screen.

4. At the third screen, select nibble as the extraction method, check "Adapt speed" and "Eject disc on completion" and set 1x as the minimum speed with max set as the maximum. Then click on Read to start the extraction.

5. When the extraction has finished, you'll be taken to the next screen where the cd label, special readzones count and TOC will be displayed. At that screen, click on the Start Blindwrite button to commence the writing process.

6. At the first blindwrite screen select your writer and the Information sheet will tell you if Raw DAO PQ and Raw DAO PW are supported. The Advanced sheet will tell you of other detected supported burnung modes. If any raw mode is supported, click on Next to go to the second screen.

7. The second screen will load the image file you just dumped with blindread. Click on next to go to the next screen.

8. The next screen is the image verification screen. If you want to verify the image and get blindwrite's recommendations click Start. However, since you know it's safedisc 2, you can skip this and just click Next to go to the burning screen.

9. At the burning screen, select the writing mode (dao pw is to be preferred but either of dao pq or sao-raw should be ok), select the writing speed, check "Eject when finished" BUT make sure that "Enhance weak sectors" is not checked. Then insert a blank cdr into your writer and, once it's detected, click Go!. Burning the cd will then commence.

10. When burning is complete, the burnt cd will be ejected and a new screen indicating completion will appear. At that screen, clear or save the log as you see fit and check "Delete Image" unless you want to make a further copy. Click Quit and, if you checked "Delete Image" you will be asked for confirmation. Click Yes to do so and exit. You're done.

CD-MATE

1. After starting the program, click on Recording Wizard if not already displayed, and select CD-Rom to CD Recorder. Then click Next to go to second screen.

2. At the second screen select your reader and reading speed (I just use max but you may need to reduce this depending on your reader's capabilities) and then click on Wizard. With the wizard select safedisc 2 and click OK which will set default reading and writing modes (which are both ok). Then click Next.

3. On the next screen check "Delete disc imagefile after cd copy" (unless you want to retain it to make a further copy) and click Next to bring up the write screen.

4. On the write screen select the writing speed and otherwise leave the settings already set by the wizard. Then click on Recorder and the reading process will then begin.

5. When reading is completed the cd will be ejected and you will be prompted to insert a cdr into your writer. Do so and writing will begin automatically.

6. When writing is completed, the burnt cd will be ejected and you will be asked to confirm deletion of the image file (if you checked that option). Click on Yes and then click OK on the message that recording was successful. You can now close cd-mate. You're done.

BURNATONCE

1. After inserting the cd you want to copy into your chosen reader and starting burnatonce, click on the settings menu item and on "View Settings" in the sub-menu.

2. On the settings sheet, select your reader and writer and the writing speed (you can leave the reading speed at max). For the Read settings select Ddump as the Read Engine. (It will be set for standard mode which is acceptable. However, there is a trick that you can use to enable discdump's advanced modes which will enable you to use the much faster safedisc mode from within burnatonce. Open the burnatonce.ini file in the burnatonce program folder with a text editor and simply alter "False" to "True" in the Advanced Ddump line under [Reader Device]. You will then be able to select safedisc mode resulting in a significantly faster creation of the image files.) For the Write settings check "Use Raw Driver", "Buffer Protection", "Finalise Disc" and "Eject CD". In other settings, check "Autohide Settings", "Delete Images" and "Check Cue Files". You can leave everything else unchecked.

3. Click on the settings menu item again and de-select "View Settings".

4. Then click on the Tools menu item and then on Read to Image in the sub-menu. The program will then ask you to confirm the use of discdump to read the image. Click OK and you will then be asked to specify a file name and location for the image files. Do not specify an extension (the program will create 3 files with appropriate extensions). Then click Open and reading will commence.

5. Be patient as extraction of the first 10,000 sectors or so will take a considerable period of time though the remainder of the cd will extract in just a few minutes. If you are running win2k or xp reading progress will be indicated in the main window. If running win9x or me there will be no indication of progress and all that will appear in the main window will be "Waiting for disc..." (If you can't stand that, then use discdump with the standard frontend and burn the image with burnatonce in accordance with the instructions below).

6. When reading of the cd finishes, a message box will appear asking whether to load the created image for writing. Click on Yes, insert a blank cdr into your chosen writer and click on the Write button.

7. If the image file name or folder location has spaces, you will then be asked if you want burnatonce to correct the bin file name. Click on Yes and writing will commence.

8. Once recording has finished, the burnt cd will be ejected and you will be asked to confirm the deletion of the image files. Click OK and close the program.

9. Following completion of the process, you will have an error log file of the dumping process with the extension .log. Keep it because if you ever need to make a further back-up of the cd, you can re-dump the image in no more time than it would take to make an image of an unprotected cd by just using standard mode and dumping the image to the folder where you retained the log file using the same name (without extension) as the log file.

ALCOHOL 120%

1. After starting the program and inserting the cd to be copied into your chosen reader (note: for the time being, use your writer as the reader; owing to a minor bug in the trial program safedisc reading speed is appalling with my Ltd-163 but is quite acceptable with my Ltr-24102b; the programmer is aware of the problem and is working on fixing it), click on Copy Wizard.

2. At the next screen select your reader and reading speed and select Safedisc 2 as the Datatype to set the appropriate reading method. Then click next.

3. At the next screen, you will be asked to specify an image name and a destination directory. The defaults already selected are OK so just click next.

4. At the next screen, select your recorder, make sure Bypass EFM Errors is unchecked (otherwise, correct write settings for safedisc 2 will already have been set by the program), and then click Start .

5. Reading will then commence and on the screen displayed there will be an indication of progress and of the reading errors encountered.

6. When reading finishes you will be prompted to insert a blank cd into your writer. Do so and writing will commence as soon as the blank disc is detected.

7. When writing is completed the burnt cd will be ejected and a message that writing is completed will be displayed. Click OK on that message box, click Finish in the main program and you're done.


DISCJUGGLER

First make sure that in Tools-> Options-> Verify that "Check CD data blocks with software generated EDC/ECC when reading in RAW mode" is unchecked.

Once you've done that, correct settings are:

READ
Check Scan gaps and indices, Ignore read errors and Raw read.
Read Speed - Any.
Leave other settings unchecked.

WRITE
Check Raw write.
Write Speed - Any
Leave other settings unchecked.


DISCDUMP (using standard windows frontend) with FIREBURNER, CDRWIN, NERO OR BURNATONCE to burn the image)

Requirements for Discdump

a) A functioning adaptec aspi layer, preferably 4.60.

b) The windows frontend. Either download discdump and the frontend as a package from the link above or from the downloads page of the daemon tools website. (Note that, strictly speaking, you don't need the frontend but if you know enough to use the program without it, you don't need any help. Just look at the readme.)

Installing and configuring discdump.

a) Extract and run the setup executable contained in the downloaded zip file. This will extract and install both discdump and the front- end to your hard drive and will also create a start menu item for the front-end.

b) Then run the front-end. The first time you do so, it will ask you for the location of ddump.exe (if you installed with the default directory, and there is no reason not to, it will be in C:\Program Files\ddump\). Select ddump.exe, click on open and then click ok to save the settings. You are now set up and ready to go. (There is no need to use or alter the advanced settings for safedisc back-ups.) Note: If when you run the front-end for the first time, it doesn't ask you for the location of ddump.exe, just click on the configuration menu item, then the locate ddump.exe item in the sub-menu and take it from there.

Using discdump.

1. First insert the cd you want to copy into your preferred reader. Then run the front-end.

2. The frontend will display a list of possible reading devices on the left side; select the one where you inserted the cd if not already selected, check safedisc in the options on the right side and click on start discdump.

3. The front end will then ask you where to save the image and under what name. Do not use any extension as discdump will create 3 files with appropriate extensions as part of the dumping process. [You might wish to create a separate folder for permanent storage of your discdump log files and for temporary storage of the iso files and cue sheets which you can delete after burning. Name it something like c:\ddump.] It doesn't matter what name you use, so use a name that will able to identify in future (e.g for civilization 3 use something like civ3, for the first disc of medal of honor allied assault something like mohaa_d1). Once you've specified the name and storage location for the image files, click ok and discdump itself will start in a separate dos box.

4. If your dump is successful, the dos box will look something like this:
"DDump v1.10 - D(isc)Dump - (c)1999-2001 by XiT
Detecting appropriate Read_CD subcommand...
Analyzing SafeDisc CD...
Reading TOC & writing CUE sheet...
Startsector: 0
Endsector : 321498
Reading sector: 321498 Status: Finishing
Dump successful finished!
< Press any key >"

5. Press a key (I generally hit the spacebar) to close the dos box and then close the front-end unless, of course, you want to dump the image of another cd straight away.

6. If you now open the folder where instructed the front-end to save the image, you will find 3 files with whatever name you chose and with the extensions of iso (the image file), cue (the cue sheet) and log (the error log file). The iso image file and cue sheet file are now ready for burning with the raw burning program of your choice.

Burning a discdump image.

Any burning program that supports cue sheets and which has a raw burning mode supported by your writer can be used to burn a discdump image of a safedisc 2 protected cd. Suitable raw burning modes include sao-raw, dao16 (referred to as dao pq by blindwrite) and dao96 (referred to as dao pw by blindwrite).

As indicated above there are a number of programs suitable for burning discdump images. They include fireburner, cdrwin, nero and burnatonce.

Using Fireburner

There are two available versions of fireburner, the old v.1.06 and the new v.2.xx (currently 2.17). The instructions for the 2 versions differ and are as follows:

Fireburner 1.06

1. Insert a blank cdr into your writer and after starting the program click on Visual Cue Burner/Bin Chunker to bring up the CD Track Layout screen.

2. Then right click anywhere on the blank layout and click on "Load Tracks from *.CUE". Navigate to the folder where you dumped the image, select the cue sheet and click on Open. This will load the track layout.

3. Then right click again on the layout screen and click on Burn/Test Burn". This will open the burning options screen.

4. On that screen, select your writer and writing speed, check "Eject CD" and "Close Session" and select 'Disk at Once (DAO) aka "RAW"'as the recording method. Leave all other options unchecked and click OK to commence recording.

5. When recording is completed and the burnt cd ejected, just click OK, close the CD Track Layout and exit the program. You're finished.

Fireburner 2.xx (currently 2.17)

1. Insert a blank cdr and after starting the program click on the file menu item. From the sub-menu then click on "Import Tracks from Cuesheet". Navigate to the folder where you dumped the image, select the cue sheet and click on Open. Then click OK on the progress indicator box that appears and the track layout will be loaded.

2. Then click on the configuration menu item. From the sub-menu then click on "Device Options" to open the Device Configuration sheet.

3. On the Device Configuration sheet select your writer and writin speed. Then select either Disc-at-once 16 or Disc-at-once 96 (preferably Dao16, if available) as the recording method. Select "Close CD" and check "Eject when finished", "Enable Burn Proof" (if supported by your writer) and "Autocorrect sub-channel" leaving all other options unchecked. Then close the Device Configuration sheet.

4. Then click on the createcd menu item and click on burn in the sub-menu. Recording will now start. When it is completed and the burnt cd ejected, just click OK on the message box and exit the program. You've finished.

Using Cdrwin

Actually, I don't use this program so I can't give precise instructions. However, from the little I recall of the program, after inserting the blank cdr into your writer, the procedure would be as follows:

1. Click on the Record Disc icon and then select "Load Cue Sheet."

2. Navigate to the folder where the image was dumped, select the cue sheet and load it in the usual way.

3. Check the option to burn the image as raw data and click on Start to commence the burning process.

If any cdrwin users know any of this to be incorrect or can give better instructions, please post any corrections or improvements and I'll amend these instuctions accordingly.

Using Nero

1. After inserting the blank cdr into your writer and starting nero, click on the file menu item and then on "Burn Image" in the sub-menu.

2. Navigate to the folder where you dumped the image, select the cue sheet and click Open.

3. This will open the Write sheet. On that sheet, select the writing speed and the burning method (I use Disc-At-Once/96 to force a raw write because as a result of the vagaries of my writer, it won't burn data raw with nero in its standard dao mode. However, most writers will write raw with nero in its standard dao mode so you can try that mode if you wish). Check "Smart-Burn" or its equivalent and then click on Write and burning will commence.

4. When burning is finished, click OK on the message box and then on Discard messages. The burnt cd will then eject and you can close nero because you've finished.

Using Burnatonce (if burning image made with discdump using standard windows frontend)

1. First you must re-name the extension of the image file from .iso to .bin (note that you don't have to do so if you use discdump from within the interface of burnatonce itself).

2. Then after inserting a blank cdr and staring burnatonce, click on the file menu item and then on "Load New Image" in the sub-menu. Navigate to the folder where you dumped the image, select the cue sheet and click Open.

2. Then click on the settings menu item and on "View Settings" in the sub-menu.

3. On the settings sheet, select your writer and the writing speed. For write settings check "Use Raw Driver", "Buffer Protection", "Eject CD" and "Finalise Disc". For other settings check "Autohide settings", "Delete Images" and "Check Cue Files". Leave everything else unchecked.

4. Click on the settings menu item again and de-select "View Settings".

5. Then click on the "Write" button. At that stage, you may be asked whether you want burnatonce to correct the bin file name. If so, click on Yes and recording will begin.

6. The burnt cd will eject when writing finishes and you will be asked to confirm the deletion of the image files. Click OK and you can close the program.


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You CAN link to it you know.
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