Daemon Tools V4 released, but with ADware

Battlefront II (SecuROM 7.00.00.006 according to A-Ray Scanner) works for me without any third party tools or unplugging.

I can read just fine. I just don't see the advantage of using Version 4 (again, unless you're willing to unplug all of your IDE drives...which I'm not).

I can play all of these games using 3.47 too.

Do you have to use SF Nightmare when playing F.E.A.R. and Civ IV with DT4? If so, how is that any better from having to use SR7stop or SD4Hide with 3.47, which doesn't require using SF Nightmare?

If you don't have to use SF Nightmare, then I see how it would be better.

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Does anyone know how the new (or old) Daemon Tools fares against any other drive emulator? Pay, free or otherwise?

Robert

The only thing needed for DT4 is disconnecting your IDE drives. No need for SF Cure, SF Nightmare, SR7/Stop or SD4Hide. That's why I like it, no need for all those tools.
And BTW, I have read somewhere that with SF 3.6 and above the SF Nightmare 'Disable CD' method no longer works, so with DT 3.47 you would still need to unplug your drives, install the SF Cure driver and use SF Nightmare 'Disable Node' to circumvent the blacklisting.
With DT4 I just unplug the drives and that's it. And when DT4 with vIDE is released within 1 or 2 weeks, I don't even have to do that.
I see the unplugging of my IDE drives as a temporary solution for now

We see it as a temporary solution for how many years now? Temporary, you say?

They said it will be released when it's done. Which obviously means not 1-2 weeks. If we're lucky, ide jammer will be released in a couple of weeks, or maybe months(cause there's probably no real reliable way to get it working on every system/chipset/ide controller - same compatibility issues as with sf nightmare, same problems with newer copy protections versions "unjamming" ide). BUT that's not v-ide... Even possibility of such revolutionary idea as virtual ide drives is still doubted by most... That's without writing your own ide controller drivers for every motherboard/chipset you want to use it on, ofcourse.

Whole point is, i'll say it again, by time v-ide is released, if ever, copy protection companies will retaliate agains dtools 4.0 core itself so greatly that a new full rewrite will be required. Or atleast whole element of surprise is lost - very frequent anti-blacklisting updates will be required since it will be well studied by them...

And believe me, they will reverse engineer it to the bones and no daemon code protect you throw at them will stop em - that commercial sharks have unbeliavable financial resources for such purposes.

They should just should've waited and released it with v-ide or at least ide jammer.

Hi guys,
i'm comfused,to run for example SCCT,you need to physically remove the ide drives or with SFNightmare and DT4 can make your job.

I tested about my 60 original games with my created Images. SMARTE works
100% (Dungeon Siege 2, Dragonshard, Age of E.III, Fable-TLC).
SECUROM 7 fails but with SR7.STOP ALL works (F.E.A.R. v1.02 Updated,
Juiced, Myst V), so I cannot insert always my Media to the drive CD or DVD.
Securom 7 some lower versions are working, I don't noted names.. sorry..
SAFEDISK 4 PERFECT but 4.6 works with nearly all with SD4HIDE (Quake 4,
Civ IV, GUN) or WITHOUT SD4HIDE. So, SEC7/SD4/SD4.6/SMARTE works
with a little external program. It is very good I think.
STARFORCE 3 - 3.4 ALL WORKS only with Mount/SFNightmare DISABLE CD.
It is very good again. I have problems running SF 3.5- SF 3.6 ALL, but I
have only 2 types of LG combo DVD R-W and CD R-W DVD-reader and I
guess (this is my idea) IF THE DRIVE CAN HANDLE ATIP information was SF
3.5-3.6 NOT WORKING only if OFF POWER SUPPLY. But I don't have a drive
with NO ATIP or I not have the types of NO ATIP drives. This is my all from
DT4 yet (sorry for my bad english)

As long as SRstop and SD4Hide are working... i am not sure shall i install DT4...
Unplugging my IDE drives is still more time consuming than using one of these two tools....
I don't say that DT4 is bad... just...nvm ;-)

Now with Version 4 of d-Tools I can't run Fear.
On Version 3.47 it ran perfectly.

[OT]if i have a PHYSICAL IDE drive and a PHYSICAL SCSI drive + controller (both bought from a store), i won't be able to play a ORIGINAL game protected with those scsi blacklists?[/OT]

Civ 4 doesn't work for me. Need to use the physical CD still.

I don't have any problem to run fear with DAEMON TOOLS V4 (I don't remember but may be I had to hide IDE devices with the help of STARFORCE NIGHTMARE).

Olivier

@destruct: frankly spoken - you are right. They will analyse V4.
The same for 3.47 (which will be blacklisted soon anyway directly and no
s7stop or anything else can avoid that).

@the whiners and bitchers:
We started development way before they started to "blacklist" scsi-systems
(or to be exact: change priority of drive-support as long as ide is present).

You guys got exactly what we promised. The new kernel is much more harder
to analyze than you can imagine. But you are right, they will throw every-
thing to it. So what is your suggestion? To give up surely, right?

Again: Internally we changed from bike to BMW. With all that bitching here
that I understand and by all respect: stop telling so much bullshit. No ide-
everything works. ide present: problems. I can assure you: Internally, it is
a complete new application and a BIG step forward, especially in efficiency
and code-design.
SFCure is btw easily to blacklist and you can believe me when I say that
it's not as easy to create a new one. SFCure is not more than a hole in SF-
protection and although I respect the creators, it is not "THE" solution
like some people here may think.

If you want to use the full power of V4, there are enough ways to do so,
whether you buy pci-ide or external drives or nforce or unplug the drives:
all works, as long as no ide is present. Why you blame us that macrovision
and sony and starforce made it this way? Isn't it so that WE are on YOUR
side? Very dissapointing here, really

Only because YOU see no difference in the versions, it doesn't mean that there
are no differences. We will see MANY additions to DT V4. V4 will have a
big future. We already work together with several 3rd party teams.

BTW: on my laptop here is a full functioning vIDE-drive, so don't
believe we tell bullshit about it. And we never promised you that we
include it in V4. And btw, we announced it not YEARS back. What
is it here with the much ranting? Really, I start to believe that you
work for macrovision or sony. Is your target that
we stop development by ranting here and there? Or are you one of our
competitors?

The only thing I
have to admit: I should say fuck you to all the "hurry up" whiners and delay
release until it was everything finished. It was a mistake, yes.

I can't believe all that bitching after all that we contributed to the community
Some guys here do not deserve our attention here at all but to those who
are satisfied I can say: the best is yet to come.

PS: X64 version was released today, too (just for those who are interested)

Some people never learn, it seems

KEEP IN MIND: The future of backups is IMHO(!) not easier, it will get harder
each year. Be thankfull that there are people out there that have the nerves
to do something for this community. We are your friends not your enemies.
Some people seems to forget that sometimes. You will understand if there
is no more DT Team some day

Could not have put it better my self

First of all, thank you for Daemon Tools team for their hard work keeping the product up to date in the ever evolving market of copy protections and other issues.

Now, according the posts here, unplugging all the optical drives and using DT4 virtual drive to handle image should be working solution to 'beat' latest star force protections. When using this method, can I still have other virtual drives installed (such as Alcohol 120% SCSI drive) or do I need to uninstall them too in order to use this 'DT4 + unplugged IDE drives'-method? (basically leaving only one CD/DVD-drive to be seen on my system).

@Locutus, when this marvellous people pay a monthly paysheet on your account for your work, they can ask you for explanations.

Until then, you should be very proud of your work and your team's work.

I'm extremely and pleasantly surprised about DT4. I see big future for DT4, too.

Thanks and think that 3 jerks always make a bigger racket than 1.000 indebted and grateful users.

Thanks again.

Daemon Tools 4.00 X64 has been released.

VH

Coud you please explain what did you mean regarding nVidia? If you can, in details.

Thank you.

I was running the normal Sunrise fine with DT4 and SFNightmare with disable IDE channel.

As soon as I installed the Trackmania Sunrise Extreme add-on it gives me an error message

Do I need to do anything else to get it running since the add-on is using a newer version of Starforce.

SSJ4 Vegetto
New SF has found your IDE drive. SFN has obsolete.

Trackmania Sunrise Extreme only works with your IDE drives unplugged.
Hiding tools no longer work with this version of Starforce.