Old 15-11-2005   #1
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Daemon Tools V4 released, but with ADware

Quote from Daemon Tools website:

Dear DT-Community,

today, we release the new V4.00.

As we already heard from our customers, it fixes indeed
most or even all blacklists - however, it is STILL a SCSI-Emulator,
therefore it's still necessary to remove present IDE-Drives!

As nearly all protections now block ALL SCSI-Drives, no matter
if REAL or VIRTUAL, you need to DISABLE your ide-drives!
This version is more or less only a "next step", it does NOT
contain an IDE-Jammer atm. However, we are working on it and
will hopefully have it ready soon. So be warned - do NOT complain
about the "lack" of the IDE-Jammer-Device. We release it now,
as is. It fullfilles its job as long as no IDE is present in
System or you otherwise block that IDE-nodes. After all it's
STILL free!

Another important change is the integration of ADWARE.
Yes, we need that revenues. However, we decided to let
YOU choose to run it with ADWARE and support us - or simple
turn it OFF in installation-process and run it same way
as former versions - without ADWARE. By default, it is turned
ON - to not install that ADWARE, please UNCHECK at installation
"DAEMON TOOLS SEARCHBAR" (or you can remove it anytime later when
you wish via "Control Panel"-> "Add/Remove programs")

We leave that decision to you, so please don't blame us that we did
it that way. It was a compromise to continue the free support -
we would much appreciate it if you install that ADWARE-stuff. We set-
up a special forum so please post in THAT forum only about questions,
concerns or anything else that is related to that ADWARE. The forum's
name is "DAEMON Tools Searchbar".

To sum it up:
- NO IDE-Jammer atm - we are working on it! No ETA for it - it's done
when it's done!
- ADWARE INCLUDED - you can, however, UNCHECK that ADWARE at installation!

The changelog for V4:

- complete redesign from scratch

- support of 4 virtual drives

- ONLY X32-supported now. X64 will follow

- Drivername randomly generated on each machine (not finished yet)

- Drive-vendor and versionnumber randomly generated

- Complete new emulation architecture

- DCP (DaemonCodeProtect) to make analyses harder and increase development time for malicious anti-DT tools

- Digital signature verification of applications who are trusted to access DT in secure mode

- AutoInsertNotification fully implemented (can be turned on/off at ControlPanel)

- Dropped: MS-Installer, DT now use modificated NullsoftInstaller

- Dropped: analog sound support (as Windows 2000 and above do not need this feature)

- supports all popular copyprotections

Again: This version is an "in between" step to fix latest issues not only
with protections but also many other issues and installation-problems.
We work hard to release soon next update!

Link to download page
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Where can I download that from? that link requires a user name and password.
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Just use SF Nightmare and hit the 'Disable CD' button, and all games (including those protected with StarForce 3.x) will run without any problems.
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supports all popular copyprotections
SF3?
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Where can I download that from? that link requires a user name and password.
I think their server is overloaded right now...It did that to me the first time I tried the link, but I tried it again and it worked.

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HELLLOO!!! does anyone know where I can download Daemon Tools from and I need a proper working link.
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HELLLOO!!! does anyone know where I can download Daemon Tools from and I need a proper working link.
I will upload to rapidshare and post a link in a few minutes.
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Download Link:

http://rapidshare.de/files/7643966/daemon400.exe.html
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Thanks got the file.
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Thanks for the link DJMind, i just grabbed it. I just tried it on a Quake IV .mds image i had made from my original DVD version earlier today and i mounted the image and tried to load the game but it tells me to please insert the DVD.
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still have to remove your IDE devices (that's all) to make starforce games run
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Ok i got Quake IV to work if i used SDHide as well. I thought this latest version of Daemon Tools was going to work with Safedisk 4.6 games? Why can't they integrate a feature like SDHide within Daemon Tools so that it does it automatically instead of having to open and run something else in combination.
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Hmmm....doesn't really seem to add much. I still have to use SD4hide for my safedisk 4.6 games and you still have to disable for ide drives for Starforce.
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Ok i got Quake IV to work if i used SDHide as well. I thought this latest version of Daemon Tools was going to work with Safedisk 4.6 games? Why can't they integrate a feature like SDHide within Daemon Tools so that it does it automatically instead of having to open and run something else in combination.
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Hmmm....doesn't really seem to add much. I still have to use SD4hide for my safedisk 4.6 games and you still have to disable for ide drives for Starforce.
Seems you guys can't read very well.
Read this again and see if it makes sense now.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daemon Tools Announcement
As we already heard from our customers, it fixes indeed
most or even all blacklists - however, it is STILL a SCSI-Emulator,
therefore it's still necessary to remove present IDE-Drives!

As nearly all protections now block ALL SCSI-Drives, no matter
if REAL or VIRTUAL, you need to DISABLE your ide-drives!
This version is more or less only a "next step", it does NOT
contain an IDE-Jammer atm. However, we are working on it and
will hopefully have it ready soon. So be warned - do NOT complain
about the "lack" of the IDE-Jammer-Device. We release it now,
as is. It fullfilles its job as long as no IDE is present in
System or you otherwise block that IDE-nodes. After all it's
STILL free!
Hopefully it all makes sense now.
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And what is your information blurp supposed to be informing me about??

I heard way back that we would not need to disable ide-drives anymore with DT4 and It would solve the blacklist issues. It's doing neither for me atm.

The release notes only confirmed what I already know, but thanks for trying to be helpful anyways.
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I heard way back that we would not need to disable ide-drives anymore with DT4
This was never confirmed.
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and It would solve the blacklist issues.
It is not blacklisted. SCSI drives are.

On a positive note, this should all be fixed shortly anyway.
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Now, come on, they were advertising it all the time, revolutionary first ever in the world virtual ide drive. If it's never been officially confirmed it's not been officially denied even once.
SCSI driver are not blacklisted, they just always have lower preference from pretty much all modern copy protections, doesn't matter if they're real or virtual, they'll only work with scsi driver if they're the only ones present in system.
Personally, i think this release was a mistake. There was nothing to rush, they really went ahead just some little steps... With currently available sfcure and different sf tools, it just looks like a bit better bundle of all in one which'll work on all systems... Aye, that's good... But not nuff... People have full right to be very disappointed, especially paying customers who expected to get daemon-tools pro version with all the stuff. If by IDE jammer they mean just another tool like nigthmare/fuck, eg software based ide drives disabler, screw it!
They promised to kill the king once and for good. And they would have accomplished it should they've released what they promised and regularly updated it for at least a couple of months against new starforce developments... Instead they just threw a couple of rocks into starforce garden already full of them. What've they really done? Just added support for a couple of starforce frontline versions which couldn't be emulated atm with any available tools? But that would've been fixed with some new sfcure version or other anti-blacklisting soon anyway probably...

No, if they're just providing a comfortable easy to use bundle of all stuff that was actually available, doesn't matter they had to make their own analogues of that stuff, the only way they can remain profitable with their upcoming pro version is by very frequent anti-blacklists updates if it stays like that... Otherwise it's pointless...

Since if they weren't going to do any of that so famous v-ide stuff(maybe it's impossible at all of very difficult?) why let all the rumours spread and say not a word against it on official forums? Free advertisement full of lies, anyone?

Btw, i don't really understand what's current relation between alcohol and daemon-tools team... As far as i remember, daemon tools were developed by same team as alcohol as "litest" version of alcohol, liter that alcohol 52%, so users don't have to buy a copy of alcohol for every pc they want to use rmps emulation on etc... Is it no longer so? Why're daemon tools released before their commercial big brother? They say Daemon tools pro are to have image creation capabilities, so will it just be a replacement to alcohol 52%? Or Alcohol and Dtools are completely different competeing projects now?
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Daemon Tools 4.0? No, just 3.48!!!
[It is version 4 as indicated by the installer (Portmac)]
Just a summary in a nutshell:

No SecuROM 7 support (SR.7_Stop still needed!)
No *REAL* StarForce support (IDE drives still have to be physically disconnected!)
No IDE emulation (though they were announcing this feature all the time, for more than one year or so...)

Why to use this piece of crap for SecuROM 7 protected games when I can still use Alcohol and SR7_Stop? Why to use these DTools 3.48 (not called '4.0' by me longer!!) for Starforce protected games when I still need to disconnect IDE drives and use SFCure instead (which I really love, thank you eip!!) ???

2 DT developers:

These DTools 3.48 are at least for free but with adware (ok, optional)... but where's the technological progress, guys?? Where? SecuROM 7 is not supported, Starforce is not supported the way as it should be... the newest SafeDisc... But you guys have a really nice vBulletin skin at your site! We really appreciate that! At least something is REALLY new!

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Recoding something which works on kernel layer basically is nightmare. I dont know why you think that new DT is 3.48 ( Probably Because of The way it works in Application Layer ) , But in a fast review, Too many things are changed. I judge the new version as a completely diffrent stuff in Kernel Layer and device drivers , and most part same on Application layer. But Its really the worse thing to just watch the program GUI and tell its v3.48.

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What a let down.
I can only agree to those who say it is nothing really new. And I highly doubt it will ever emulate an IDE drive, it may block existing IDE drives at some point but that is by no means the same.
Emulating IDE would have solved the problem one and for all. I realize that this may not be possible but why advertise it in the first place?

Anyways, its still an impressive tool and we should be thanksfull for that. The hype was bullshit and all but kudos to the developers for putting up with all the pressure and making a release after all.
I would have wished for more but maybe that's just me...
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You guys are full of shit.
Trying to talk sense to you is like bashing my head against a wall.
The only time they EVER mentioned a virtual IDE drive was when they suggested it would be available as an add-on to D-Tools Pro (Not D-Tools v4).
I find it highly unlikely any of you whining bitches are paying customers, so you really have no reason to complain.
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The only time they EVER mentioned a virtual IDE drive was when they suggested it would be available as an add-on to D-Tools Pro (Not D-Tools v4).
That's right... but... any info about Pro version? I didn't find anything... ( i mean release date or info about progress )
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That's right... but... any info about Pro version? I didn't find anything... ( i mean release date or info about progress )
No release date at the moment.
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You guys are full of shit.
Trying to talk sense to you is like bashing my head against a wall.
The only time they EVER mentioned a virtual IDE drive was when they suggested it would be available as an add-on to D-Tools Pro (Not D-Tools v4).
I find it highly unlikely any of you whining bitches are paying customers, so you really have no reason to complain.
Well its does not beat any current protection without third party tools.
That's why people are upset.

We don't give a shit if they emulate IDE, hide the existing IDE drives or whatever. All the talk about a new engine and support for current protections and now they release a v4 that might (feature wise) as well be called 3.48. It looks the same, we still need 3rd party tools (maybe less) and we still need to unplug our drives.
So please, Mr Fanboy, enlighten me: where's the innovation? Beating a few blacklists by renaming the driver?

Sure maybe some of the hype wasn't made by the daemon tool devs but they certainly didn't clarify that v4 wouldn't support current protection schemes. They do it for free and I respect them for that but they shouldn't complain that people are so upset now. They hyped v4 for months now and released an unfinished product with little new features.

I really hope DT4Pro will fix those issues because I for one am willing to pay for a *working* solution.
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