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  1. Old Posted: 17-09-2008
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    I have a SiI 3114 SATA PCI addon card (newest base bios and driver), and I actually never had so many problems with optical drives than with this, pardon me, piece of junk.

    So contrary to the belief that seems to be consensus here, I can't recommend them from my personal experience, and I'm not exactly a computer illiterate. Ironically, I have never had any problems with SATA optical drives connected to the onboard SATA ports of my Intel boards (IHC7R, IHC9R etc.), all running in AHCI mode that is.
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    Usually, I don't RTFM with SiI's package...
    Hehe Sometimes RTFM isn't a bad idea at all.
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    IIRC, since most cards are preflashed with RAID BIOS,
    Agreed.
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    there could be issues when opticals are connected during POST, thus, Windows may not boot up properly. At least that's what I remembered.
    Haven't had any problem with a 3512 and a 0680A based (raid) card with a burner connected. But this may vary depending on mainboard chipset or Bios.
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    It all depends on the Flash chip. Here is my recent findings.
    You'd like to add them to this thread I started?
    --> http://club.cdfreaks.com/f7/silicon-...le-not-252721/

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    You'd like to add them to this thread I started?
    Sure, once I get home, I'll list all the controllers (680A, 3512, 3114) that I've had encounter with.
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    However, when an optical drive was attached to one of the ports, then the update tab would appear.
    Interesting KTL. I have always installed a drive when i installed my cards. I'm sure people have not and found that the card would not flash and sent it back.
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    Sure, once I get home, I'll list all the controllers (680A, 3512, 3114) that I've had encounter with.
    Thanks, Highly appreciated
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    I can only speak from my experience with both 3x12 and 3114 cards in WXP-32. The BIOS update tab doesn't show up with my nForce4 motherboard, even with the latest Silicon Image driver. However, when an optical drive was attached to one of the ports, then the update tab would appear. But I've always flashed to the Base BIOS through pure DOS via a W98 boot up disc. I currently have a 3114-based card in and all 4 optical drives are recognized correctly with no problems.
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    unless my glasses need some cleaning, these drivers are newer than those provided by SiI. Sinceit seems you have one of these non-flasheable cards.

    Not all cards are flashable (some are, but they require a tool from the card manufacturer). This is well documented in a document on Silicon Image support website. See http://www.siliconimage.com/support/supportfaq.aspx#q5 and the PDF file linked there.

    Having a drive connected is mandatory: "You must have a drive attached to the controller before you can program the flash chip...." (source: SiI Bios update instructions)

    I think, now complete information about flashing SiI cards is given now in this thread. What about a list of cards that can be flashed or not?

    Michael
    my pci controller card was hooked up to an optical drive when i installed it, and it was a silicon image pci card, but i will look at then info in micheal's link, thanks people... EDIT: I looked at silicon image link, and the flash tab should have appeared in my device manager, still do not know why it didn't - something else must have been going on.

    quote:I have a SiI 3114 SATA PCI addon card (newest base bios and driver), and I actually never had so many problems with optical drives than with this, pardon me, piece of junk.
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    quote:I have a SiI 3114 SATA PCI addon card (newest base bios and driver), and I actually never had so many problems with optical drives than with this, pardon me, piece of junk.
    Often the cables are the culprit.
    Other possible troublemaker: the mainboard. Sometimes it helps to install the card in another slot.
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    I have a SiI 3114 SATA PCI addon card (newest base bios and driver), and I actually never had so many problems with optical drives than with this, pardon me, piece of junk.

    So contrary to the belief that seems to be consensus here, I can't recommend them from my personal experience, and I'm not exactly a computer illiterate. Ironically, I have never had any problems with SATA optical drives connected to the onboard SATA ports of my Intel boards (IHC7R, IHC9R etc.), all running in AHCI mode that is.
    I am sorry, but the chipset is good. The card may not be. (See below).
    BASE BIOS works as does the ODD DRIVER.
    It is not simply enough to have the latest driver.
    May have "latest" driver, but not the ODD driver installed. Windows update will often install the latest. But if using card with ODD's this may not be the best option.
    (I noted that the BASE BIOS has been employed).
    Reasons why you haven't been lucky.
    PCI slot (if you haven't already try a different slot).
    Cables - SATA cables are more prone to being picky then IDE. (My experience anyway). Use Latchable SATA if possible. You'll get a better connection.
    Same chipset but diferent cards.
    In the UK Novatech & Lindy provide SiliconImage cards that are tried & tested.
    Novatech's own branded 3512 excellent value @ around £15.
    Lindy have a wider range, but are a bit pricey. ( The 3512 @ around £25, 3114 @ £49.99)
    Startech have with the latest batch of their cards seemingly done something to the pin configuration. Which appears to make flashing in windows impossible.
    DOS flashing is possible.... if you can sort out the correct reference serial #.
    I haven't & ruined one card.
    However Startech are good value for money if to be used with HDD.
    Some success can be achieved with ODD's. But you won't be able to update drives f/w with the RAID BIOS.
    PCIe seems a great deal @ the moment. (3132)
    But be warned you can only use one ODD, despite this card having two ports.
  9. Old Posted: 19-09-2008
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    Tried every PCI slot, and it definitely was not a problem of the cables either (the same cables work fine with the ODDs plugged into the on board SATA ports). I actually tested the card in two of my systems. Besides, the card worked fine with harddisks for a long time in one of my older systems (not in RAID mode I might add).
    I tested two base bios versions from the SI site, including the newest, all updated in DOS mode. I used the right drivers also.

    Like I've said, it's not like I am a computer illiterate, I have been using ODDs for more than 10 years, work in the IT industry and know a thing or two about computers. I was just expressing my view on this, which may be different than the consensus on here, and believe me, I would not do so if there was not good reason to.
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    Tried every PCI slot, and it definitely was not a problem of the cables either (the same cables work fine with the ODDs plugged into the on board SATA ports). I actually tested the card in two of my systems. Besides, the card worked fine with harddisks for a long time in one of my older systems (not in RAID mode I might add).
    I tested two base bios versions from the SI site, including the newest, all updated in DOS mode. I used the right drivers also.

    Like I've said, it's not like I am a computer illiterate, I have been using ODDs for more than 10 years, work in the IT industry and know a thing or two about computers. I was just expressing my view on this, which may be different than the consensus on here, and believe me, I would not do so if there was not good reason to.
    Sorry about your problems packetloss.

    In contrary to many posts above, also from what I've heard SiL3114 is not good at all for modern optical drives (not even with IDE aka "base" BIOS).
    My two SiL3112 chipset controllers are working well with Sammy's and Pio sata burners though.

    Note, I don't have this controller in my possesion, though my post is only based on second hand information from my computer service shop owner friend.

    Edit, adding link to controller homepage.
    Last edited by pinto2; 19-09-2008 at 00:58. Reason: added link to SiL3114 controller
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    Thank you pinto.

    Just to make something clear: I don't want to question the positive experience others had with SiI cards in any way, just trying to provide a different view, because my personal experience was not the best. Besides, I have only tested the SiI 3114, and I have no experience with other Silicon Image addon cards, because there simply was no need. As I've said earlier, my SATA ODDs work perfectly fine with the on board Intel SATA ports running in AHCI mode. Intel, who invented AHCI, seem to have got this right at least.
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    Thank you pinto.

    Just to make something clear: I don't want to question the positive experience others had with SiI cards in any way, just trying to provide a different view, because my personal experience was not the best. Besides, I have only tested the SiI 3114, and I have no experience with other Silicon Image addon cards, because there simply was no need. As I've said earlier, my SATA ODDs work perfectly fine with the on board Intel SATA ports running in AHCI mode. Intel, who invented AHCI, seem to have got this right at least.
    In my post, I wasn't questioning your experience.
    However I wanted those who observe to consider options that might help if they are having problems.
    (It is possible for even those PC savvy to overlook things, I know I do....... daily )
    I estimate some 20+ 3114 cards in various systems constitute my experience.
    Had no problems with any. (Thus my thinking the chipset is good, but the card may itself may vary.)
    This going over a 5 years plus.
    Had even more with the 3512 series.
    Again without problems until the latest Startech variant.
    The 3114 is not a brilliant RAID card either.
    It is in fact PseudoRAID.

    As you say, if you have Intel based boards IHC7R, IHC9R >. All work well with SATA ODD's. Even when using RAID.

    However most boards won't support enough ports for someone like me.
    Hence PCI SATA controller cards are a necessity.
    These are relatively cheap for SATA/SATA I.
    So good for ODD's.
    Such cards for HDD's that will give support to SATA II & 64 bit are far more expensive.

    Despite not having problems with the 3114.
    For those needing 4 ports. Who have 2 PCI slots spare.
    I would still suggest 2 3512* cards over a single 31114.

    All in all it goes to show that you can't assume that what works for one.
    Will work for you.

    * For those wondering about Silicon Image & 2 port SATA cards.
    Looking for 3112 cards mentioned by pinto2.
    See 3512.
    Performance etc is identical.

    N.B. The 3132 card (mentioned in my previous post) is available with 4 ports (2 int/2 ext). The support for only one ODD still applies though.
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    I got the adapter at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815124020 with SiI3114 dhipset and flashed base BIOS plus updated latest IDE driver, and it gets to screen showing the SATALink and BIOS version below which it shows "Press F1 to continue, or press F2 to run setup" on a Dell Dimension 4550 running WinXP SP2. I tried calling Silicon Image contact number who couldn't tell me whether there's a way to eliminate that message and have it boot without need to press F1. It boots normally after F1 is pressed but stays at that screen until F1 is pressed. Does anybody know how to bypass that message to allow boot without pressing F1, or is this something that's required for this Dell?
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    I believe that is a Dell BIOS limitation. I've seen it come up before with the 680A-based cards, but never had to press any key to continue booting.
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    Hi,

    what happens if you press the "F2" button? What options are given there?
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    Pressing F2 just opens the Dell BIOS that shows drives detected, boot order and other BIOS settings.
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    Pressing F2 just opens the Dell BIOS that shows drives detected, boot order and other BIOS settings.
    Ah, okay. Then this seems to be a Dell issue. Maybe try another PCI slot if available.
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    Sorry to resurrect this old thread but i have problem convertign sil3114 card (rc-209) to IDE card from RAID card. when i open sil ATA controller icon in control panel and open flash bios tab i see chip type shows up as unknown and size is also unknown. Browse button where i can browse fro bin file is greyed out. can anyone please suggest as to how i can resolve this.
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    Hi and Welcome!

    seems as if your card is not supported by the SiI flash tool. See here: http://club.myce.com/f7/silicon-imag...le-not-252721/
    See also: http://club.myce.com/f7/pci-raid-con...-cards-253414/

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    Hi and Welcome!

    seems as if your card is not supported by the SiI flash tool. See here: http://club.myce.com/f7/silicon-imag...le-not-252721/
    See also: http://club.myce.com/f7/pci-raid-con...-cards-253414/

    Michael

    So is there a comprehensive tutorial anywhere on how i can flash this card with firmware which will allow me to use DVD-ROM/Blu-Ray

    thanks

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