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Old 27-08-2012   #51
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I've just tried DVD Flick for the 1st time. Initially disappointed that it could not see the subtitles that are embedded in my .TS files (and which VLC can see and show with no trouble). Since I am partially deaf I find them important.

Then I allowed it to churn away with a couple of my .TS files (ca 1/2 hour and 1 hour long). It spent over 2 hours processing and then generated a complicated error file complaining about audio conversion.

Perhaps this is the relevant section of the log file (below), but where do I go from here?

Mike.

17:48:47: Combining video sources...
17:48:47: Concatenating video...
17:48:47: Encoding audio...
17:48:47: Title 0, track 0, source 0 of 0
17:48:47: Source : D:\PVR\20080201 2226 In Concert_ Oscar Pe.ts
17:48:47: Properties : 2 channels, 48000 Hz, mp2, 1827.8 seconds
17:48:47: Recompressing to 192 Kbit\s with 2 channel(s)
17:48:47: -i "D:\PVR\20080201 2226 In Concert_ Oscar Pe.ts" -i "d:\pvr\dvd\0.0.m2v" -map 0:9:1:0 -acodec ac3 -ab 192k -ac 2 -ar 48000 -threads 2 -async 0 -shortest "d:\pvr\dvd\0.0.0.ac3"
17:51:04: Fixing delay of -160 ms
17:51:04: -start -160 "d:\pvr\dvd\0.0.0.ac3"
17:51:14: Title 0, track 1, source 0 of 0
17:51:14: Source : D:\PVR\20080201 2226 In Concert_ Oscar Pe.ts
17:51:14: Properties : 1 channels, 48000 Hz, mp2, 1827.8 seconds
17:51:14: Recompressing to 96 Kbit\s with 1 channel(s)
17:51:14: -i "D:\PVR\20080201 2226 In Concert_ Oscar Pe.ts" -i "d:\pvr\dvd\0.0.m2v" -map 0:1:1:0 -acodec ac3 -ab 96k -ac 1 -ar 48000 -threads 2 -async 0 -shortest "d:\pvr\dvd\0.1.0.ac3"
17:51:32: -1 from EncodeAudio: Audio encoding failed.
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This is the relavent line: -1 from EncodeAudio: Audio encoding failed.
Similar to the one I posted except for Audio instead of Video.
Sometime DVDFlick works & sometimes it doesn't.
I suggest trying AVStoDVD .
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This is the relavent line: -1 from EncodeAudio: Audio encoding failed.
Similar to the one I posted except for Audio instead of Video.
Sometime DVDFlick works & sometimes it doesn't.
I suggest trying AVStoDVD .
That's damning DVDFlick with faint praise (if that is what it is!).

But I see that trying AVStoDVD it announces that subtitles in my .TS file are "not present" although VLC displays the subtitles when requested.

So is there a DVD writer (from .TS files) that is as capable of subtitles as VLC?

Don't forget the deaf!

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Mike , I wish I could be more help .
It is faint praise for DVDFlick . But it's the way it works.
I've had it work fine on some video sources & bad on others.

I will add I've worked very little with subtitles .
I suspect it is the fact they are embedded .
I would still let AvstoDVD give it a try & see if the subtitles are just there when it finishes.
I will ask you aren't embedded subtitles part of the video & always on ?
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Mike , I wish I could be more help .
It is faint praise for DVDFlick . But it's the way it works.
I've had it work fine on some video sources & bad on others.

I will add I've worked very little with subtitles .
I suspect it is the fact they are embedded .
I would still let AvstoDVD give it a try & see if the subtitles are just there when it finishes.
I will ask you aren't embedded subtitles part of the video & always on ?
Good point about "embedded" subtitles, but that was why I said that VLC only shows them "when requested", implying that they are in a separate stream. There may of course, somewhere (!), be software that can extract the subtitles to a separate file so it can be re-combined in the DVD, but that would be clunky compared with recognising the stream in the 1st place...

BTW if you watch subtitles you get Freudian slip gems like the speaker approaching a blackboard saying he would "just do a quick computation" and the subtitles reading "quick copulation"!

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Is this from a capture?
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Is this from a capture?
Hi Steve, in a sense it is capture, but not from a camera. It's off-air on a Humax 9200T PVR. There's some discussion of this on the corresponding forum on hummy.tv, but I'm not sure those guys are so knowledgeable about DVD creation. So the .TS file format is as created by Humax. Also I have two ways of downloading to PC, by USB and via an extracting program from the Humax HDD. I don't know if the results are exactly the same, but I assume so. VLC plays both sorts of file OK (with subtitles!).

I have now discovered that my old basic DVD player does not accept the ImgBurn DVD; justs spits it out like a child with picky eating habits. Put into the PC's DVD drive the pop-up suggests viewing files rather than viewing video. VLC plays the content with super-wide aspect, maybe (16x9) squared. So all-in-all not a plug-and-play experience...

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Try looking at the .TS file with MediaInfo see if it "sees" the subtitles as seperate .

http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en

It may be a waste of time but I still think you should give AVStoDVD a try at this file.
Make sure it is set to use HCEnc . For testing one-pass should do .

ImgBurn seldom creates unplayable discs if the source is good .
What brand of discs are you using ?
A low quality disc is what most consider the problem .

In looking at your first post :
It shows this :
Title 0, track 0, source 0 of 0 Properties : 2 channels, 48000 Hz, mp2, 1827.8 seconds
Recompressing to 192 Kbit\s with 2 channel(s)

Title 0, track 1, source 0 of 0 Properties : 1 channels, 48000 Hz, mp2, 1827.8 seconds
Recompressing to 96 Kbit\s with 1 channel(s)
My guess is this could have caused the Audio error.
-1 from EncodeAudio: Audio encoding failed.

The latest version is dated 2009-06-26 . Their own forum is offline & wasn't very good when it was online . Good information on errors is hard to come by. All in all it can be a useful tool for your video tool kit but it is not always dependable.

A paid software that some recommend is ConvertXtoDVD . I don't have it so I can say either way.
It has a trial version but it leaves a watermark. Just thought I would post it incase you wanted a possible alternative.
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Try looking at the .TS file with MediaInfo see if it "sees" the subtitles as seperate .

http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en

It may be a waste of time but I still think you should give AVStoDVD a try at this file.
Make sure it is set to use HCEnc . For testing one-pass should do .

ImgBurn seldom creates unplayable discs if the source is good .
What brand of discs are you using ?
A low quality disc is what most consider the problem .

In looking at your first post :
It shows this :
Title 0, track 0, source 0 of 0 Properties : 2 channels, 48000 Hz, mp2, 1827.8 seconds
Recompressing to 192 Kbit\s with 2 channel(s)

Title 0, track 1, source 0 of 0 Properties : 1 channels, 48000 Hz, mp2, 1827.8 seconds
Recompressing to 96 Kbit\s with 1 channel(s)
My guess is this could have caused the Audio error.
-1 from EncodeAudio: Audio encoding failed.

The latest version is dated 2009-06-26 . Their own forum is offline & wasn't very good when it was online . Good information on errors is hard to come by. All in all it can be a useful tool for your video tool kit but it is not always dependable.

A paid software that some recommend is ConvertXtoDVD . I don't have it so I can say either way.
It has a trial version but it leaves a watermark. Just thought I would post it incase you wanted a possible alternative.
Thanks again; I tried MediaInfo and it confirms that there is a "DVB Subtitle" text stream. I can of course post the findings in text form here if useful.

I should have been clearer about my earlier report(s): DVD-Flick errored on my first, over-ambitious attempt at encoding; I have not tried it again after the "faint praise".

I then tried AVStoDVD on a much smaller file, and it was the results of that which was rejected by the old DVD player. On a Maxell blank, which ought to be OK. And had the over-wide format when played via VLC on my PC. I would have hoped that ImgBurn didn't subscribe to the "GIGO" model of user [un]friendliness! I'm happy to try again with other settings, but if it cannot include the subtitles I am going to lack motivation. However I gather that AVStoDVD is still under development...

Best regards, Mike.
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Mike, I think we need to nail down just what kind of file it is that your pvr is putting out.
Then hopefully there can be suggestions on where to go from there.
If you have mediainfo installed, then you could paste the results for us to see.
If it is a true TS then perhaps tsmuxer could demux the streams for further process.
The reason for a demux might be necessary if the subtitle needs to be converted so it will be compliant to dvd specs.
One other thing it seems there was an audio delay so trimming a few frames off the ends of the clips before processing might help.
If that is the case, make a duplicate copy of the clips so you can keep original.
You might want to try ConvertXtodvd as it is known to take various formats and make a compliant dvd but AVStodvd may work.
Another freeware that can hardsub is freemake video converter.
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I think the AVStoDVD problem is with AVISynth .
I don't know how to correct it but it is what does the resize for AVS.
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Mike, I think we need to nail down just what kind of file it is that your pvr is putting out.
Then hopefully there can be suggestions on where to go from there.
If you have mediainfo installed, then you could paste the results for us to see...
Thanks again; delighted to do that (below). As I said, VLC recognises the subtitles.

I didn't know (until reading the analysis) that the 2nd audio stream purports to be "Visual impaired commentary", which I suppose is the inverse of the subtitles that I am keen on!

Mike.

Code:
General
ID                                       : 8207 (0x200F)
Complete name                            : D:\PVR\002_222523Jul_ITV News at Ten & Weather.ts
Format                                   : MPEG-TS
File size                                : 27.7 MiB
Duration                                 : 1mn 32s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 2 499 Kbps

Video
ID                                       : 520 (0x208)
Menu ID                                  : 8271 (0x204F)
Format                                   : MPEG Video
Format version                           : Version 2
Format profile                           : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP                    : Yes
Format settings, Matrix                  : Custom
Format settings, GOP                     : M=3, N=30
Codec ID                                 : 2
Duration                                 : 1mn 32s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 2 117 Kbps
Maximum bit rate                         : 15.0 Mbps
Width                                    : 704 pixels
Height                                   : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Active Format Description                : Letterbox 16:9 image, with alternative 14:9 center
Frame rate                               : 25.000 fps
Standard                                 : PAL
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Interlaced
Scan order                               : Top Field First
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.209
Stream size                              : 23.3 MiB (84%)

Audio #1
ID                                       : 521 (0x209)
Menu ID                                  : 8271 (0x204F)
Format                                   : MPEG Audio
Format version                           : Version 1
Format profile                           : Layer 2
Codec ID                                 : 3
Duration                                 : 1mn 32s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 192 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : 48ms
Stream size                              : 2.11 MiB (8%)
Language                                 : English

Audio #2
ID                                       : 522 (0x20A)
Menu ID                                  : 8271 (0x204F)
Format                                   : MPEG Audio
Format version                           : Version 1
Format profile                           : Layer 2
Codec ID                                 : 3
Duration                                 : 1mn 32s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 64.0 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 1 channel
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 720 KiB (3%)
Language                                 : English
Language, more info                      : Visual impaired commentary

Text
ID                                       : 523 (0x20B)
Menu ID                                  : 8271 (0x204F)
Format                                   : DVB Subtitle
Codec ID                                 : 6
Duration                                 : 1mn 31s
Delay relative to video                  : 672ms
Language                                 : English

Menu
ID                                       : 256 (0x100)
Menu ID                                  : 8271 (0x204F)
Duration                                 : 1mn 32s
List                                     : 520 (0x208) (MPEG Video) / 521 (0x209) (MPEG Audio, English) / 522 (0x20A) (MPEG Audio, English) / 523 (0x20B) (DVB Subtitle, English)
Language                                 :  / English / English / English
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The problem may have been with the Audio #2 .
I think you can remove it when doing the conversion with DVDFlick.
After "Add title " this video.
Select " Edit title: " Audio tracks " .
"Remove" the Audio #2 track.
See if that takes care of the error:
-1 from EncodeAudio: Audio encoding failed.

I'm not sure this will work but worth a try.
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I'm not too keen on pal-land stuff but agree with cholla.
Other than the audio2, it appears that it is close enough that if an authoring program reauthors, it should play on most dvds.
AC3 is what is audio compliant dvd for here in US but MP2 will work for some dvd players.

Is this clip authored by your PVR? I see mention of menu at bottom.
Remember just because vlc plays something, that doesn't mean it is standard or compliant.
Software players can play almost anything.

I would try AVStoDVD too, just try this clip and see what it does.
There is a portable version of it.

At this point, I hope someone good with pal will take a look at your mediainfo.

If several author programs choke on your clip, I would for sure clip a few frames off the ends of video.
I might even demux and then place parts in author program to see what it does.
I don't think there is much wrong...this should be doable with right knowledge.
Not sure about that gop of 30...
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Steve33 , The MediaInfo is a short clip of another video done on the PVR .
It is only 1m 32s long where the one for the DVDFlick error report is 30 min 27.8 seconds .
I think Mike must have done this because a smaller clip processes faster.
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OK, sorry didn't read close enough.
MP2 is compliant so should be no worries with that part.
I would try AVStoDVD and see what it does with a single video clip.
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I then tried AVStoDVD on a much smaller file, and it was the results of that which was rejected by the old DVD player. On a Maxell blank, which ought to be OK. ...
I've tried a non-free program which warned me that my DVD drive makes DVD+RW which might be incompatible. Sure enough when I scurried to the DVD player booklet it said it is DVD-RW compatible. But I have got it to play a Maxell DCD+RW disk (writen with aforesaid non-free program), so it is not a solid incompatiblilty...

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The problem may have been with the Audio #2 .
I think you can remove it when doing the conversion with DVDFlick.
After "Add title " this video.
Select " Edit title: " Audio tracks " .
"Remove" the Audio #2 track.
See if that takes care of the error:
-1 from EncodeAudio: Audio encoding failed.

I'm not sure this will work but worth a try.
Thanks Cholla, I'll try that, though it is not going to resolve the subtitle problem, presumably.

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I'm not too keen on pal-land stuff but agree with cholla.
There, and I thought that Phase Alternation Line was invented to get round the problems found with NTSC!

All a bit irrelevant now we've gone over to digital transmission and lost the analogue propagation problems that were so troublesome with colour encoding. In fact I don't understand how the distinction is still there in digital formats!

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Mike , I hope that DVDFlick just puts the subtitles in I have some things for you to try other than that.

If you still have it would you post a MediaInfo text of the AVStoDVD file that had the "over-wide format" . I'm curious to see how wide it was.

ImgBurn can display your computer drives "Capabilities" . Most modern drives will write to a + or -RW DVD disc. I use Classic view but you should be able to find it .
Tools/Drive/Capabilities. So you might want to get some DVD-RW if your PC drive will write to them . Just to make them more compatable with your DVD player.
Other that the Audio adjustment above You might also try these suggestions.
Not necessarily at the same time .
Project settings/Video/Advanced check " Copy MPEG-2 streams" .
This is much faster when it works .
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Mike , I hope that DVDFlick just puts the subtitles in I have some things for you to try other than that.

If you still have it would you post a MediaInfo text of the AVStoDVD file that had the "over-wide format" . I'm curious to see how wide it was.

ImgBurn can display your computer drives "Capabilities" . Most modern drives will write to a + or -RW DVD disc. I use Classic view but you should be able to find it .
Tools/Drive/Capabilities. So you might want to get some DVD-RW if your PC drive will write to them . Just to make them more compatable with your DVD player.
Other that the Audio adjustment above You might also try these suggestions.
Not necessarily at the same time .
Project settings/Video/Advanced check " Copy MPEG-2 streams" .
This is much faster when it works .
Thank you cholla, I shall work my way through your helpful suggestions.

Regarding capabilities of DVD writer I was relying on Nero InfoTool which ticks the boxes for -R and -RW but not for +R or +RW. XP Device Manager lists it as DVD+RW, too. No doubt I have the instruction book for the drive somewhere...

The two trial versions of non-free writers I have tried (which over-wrote the "over-wide" one, sorry), complete with their spoiler fingerprints, produced DVDs that would play on my player, despite this apparent incompatibility. But subtitles were either absent or distorted.

Regards, Mike.
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Mike , I noticed my order wasn't too good in my last post.
This is for DVDFlick. :
Project settings/Video/Advanced check " Copy MPEG-2 streams" .
This is much faster when it works .

NeroInfo Tool is usually correct.
Since you have ImgBurn it won't take long to check with it too.
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Mike , I noticed my order wasn't too good in my last post.
This is for DVDFlick. :
Project settings/Video/Advanced check " Copy MPEG-2 streams" .
This is much faster when it works .

NeroInfo Tool is usually correct.
Since you have ImgBurn it won't take long to check with it too.
That certainly allowed DVDFlick to generate a DVD. Although "Subtitles" was ticked on the progress list there were none on the DVD, viewing with VLC on PC or via DVD player. Also the result was not widescreen and was actually square via VLC! Just the opposite of over-wide!

I've discovered that the author of AVStoDVD is active on the Doom9 forum and is accepting enhancement suggestions. I shall see if I can get his attention...

Regards, Mike.
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Mike , I had a little time today & I tested just a regular rip movie .vob through DVDFlick . The Vob had subtitles before the DVDFlick conversion but none afterwards. This was done with the quick rip Project settings/Video/Advanced check " Copy MPEG-2 streams" .
So it looks like unless the subtitles are taken from the file with a software that is able to do that & then added back in DVDflick doesn't do subtitles.
I haven't had time but I will give it a try with the longer encode method . I don't expect any difference.

You are correct about the Author of AVStoDVD .
You might want to check this forum too.
http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/2...Support-Thread
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I converted a .vob the long way with DVDFlick & no subtitles when finished.
So I'm stating that DVDFlick dosen't extract subtitles even from a common DVD compliant .vob. At least the last version.
I may give one of the older versions I have a try just to see.
Mike , for now I would give up on DVDFlick unless you are going to extract the subtitles with other software for that. Then add them manually.
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