DVDFlick Errors

cholla

I think we were posting about the same time . I don't know how one got ahead of the other. I didn't see the other post first.
I did have it converted to a .mpg but deleted the .mpg . No problem to create another one. The .mpg didn't work correctly in AVStoDVD but may in DVDFlick.
I'm just starting to work with DVDFlick on this movie except at first I tested it a little bit.
My preference for AVStoDVD is because it uses HCEnc . I've had good results with HCEnc being used by DVDRebuilder. I don't think it is the problem with AVStoDVD. I think it has to do with the resize with Avisynth & how the file that AVStoDVD uses to do that works.

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StormJumper

Well like I said its worth a shot, once you have it converted to .mpg just load that into DVD Flick, if DVD Flick does load it into the work area then it should process it to PAL which the output will be VIDEO_TS/AUDIO_TS.

I don't get corrupt .vob structures that much but when I do this process has worked several times for me.

SJ

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cholla

@ SJ , I plan to try that today . I thought I did but I've worked on so many things with this particular movie I can't be sure. Anyway this will be with a fresh .mpg & maybe a second one .





@ Kerry , Is there a way software or other to check a pressed DVD for bad sectors ?

Other than the obvious having problems .













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Kerry56

You might use PGCEdit to examine the dvd and see if there are problems in the structure, but I don't use the program very much. You could talk to Wombler about it.

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cholla

Hi Kerry , I have worked with Wombler & PGCEdit before . That project worked out OK .
I did create a copy of this DVD & run that through PGCEdit using the "Remove Useless Stuff" tool.
When I opened the DVD folder I got a couple of fixes to do but these
were for the menu & audio tracks . I was using the full movie rip for this.
I saved the DVD & tested with it but it didn't do any better.

I haven't ruled your suggestion that this is a bad press .

This is the latest error from DVD Flick . I got it with both the .mpg files I did with VOB2MPG :

DVDflick01.jpg

I haven't downloaded Magic DVD Ripper yet to convert to a .mpg with it .
I don't know why it would create a better .mpg than VOB2MPG .

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StormJumper

I don't think it will do a better job it's just what I use for my conversions, by the way did you remove the layer break ? sometimes there are issues created by the layer break which is normally right around the 4th vob I think.

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cholla

I didn't think I did on the full movie rip so I checked with ImgBurn .
I didn't remove the layer break.
Before this I decided to uninstall DVDFlick & do a fresh install of it.
This may have fixed the error . It is working on the encode right now.
So I will have to see if it completes without error.
I didn't think that the .mpg would still contain the layerbreak information .
I'm not sure how I would check that.

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Wombler

Let's hope that works.

Just to comment on the other queries, it used to be fairly easy to scan movie discs for physical errors but since increasingly complex structural protection came into being that's now extremely difficult.

If you're an expert with DVDDecrypter, know how to properly create a PSL2 file and have a plugin that isn't available to normal PgcEdit users then it's possible but that's not really much use to anyone in general.

Ripping programs have routines to detect genuine disc flaws and RipIt4Me was particularly good at this but it wouldn't cope with today's latest protections.

DVDFab uses similar structural analysis to determine playable material (prior to ripping) with it's PathPlayer routines, so it should be able to detect a genuine disc flaw compared to structural protection.

It's impossible to guarantee that it always gets it right but I've always seen it come up with errors for genuinely faulty discs and the only time I've ever seen it struggle to identify them is with a new protection variant that requires an update to the program.

So unfortunately nowadays the best approach is just to rip the disc, trust the ripping software and process in PgcEdit with the 'remove useless stuff' as we'd discussed before.

There are some unusual instances where you need to run it twice so try it a second time and see if anything further is removed. Also don't forget to run FixVTS (from the tools menu) immediately after this to recover the space as I've known this to affect further processing in certain circumstances.

HTH.


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StormJumper

I always remove the layer breaks when making back ups of my DVD movies, I have found to to many movie titles where the structure around the layer break is either corrupt or damaged because it was poorly done/placed on purpose for protection reasons, besides if I do need to create a new layer break I can always replace it later which by the way if you do I highly recommend using Wombler's excellent guide on 'Choosing the correct layer break position'

If your problem isn't solved after this there is a sure fire way of fixing it by not using the original files

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cholla

SJ , It got a lot further with the fresh install but I got what looks like the same error but on closer exam it looked like syncing the audio was the cause of the error . It was the video before but it never got to the audio .
I'm taking your suggestion & removing the layer break . I can't do that with DVDFab & do Full Disc from a folder but I can do Main Movie from the Full Disc folder & remove the layer break while leaving it DVD9 . If I try to use DVDFab to remove the layer break from a Full Disc folder & leave it Full Disc DVDfab gives me this message :
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If I answer "Yes" it does a little something & I get a Process complete message but the VIDEO_TS folder is empty . In this case DVDFab makes the wrong decision for me because I'm not doing this to transfer between folders but removing a layer break . So it is not exactly a copy .

Right now the original DVD is loaned to my brother & I haven't tried to get it back. Since I can watch the movie there hasn't been any hurry. I do intend to rip it again & see if it was just a bad rip .


Wombler thanks for the informative answer . I will be using PGCEdit the way you suggested below . After removing the layer break. Maybe between the two it might work.

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StormJumper

If you don't want any compression and do decide to use 'Main Movie' just remember to select DVD9 for the output quality.

To bad you don't have 'Magic DVD Ripper' because it will process a folder from your HDD and will not give you such a message that you posted, I'm not sure if it removes the layer break though, if you are saying DVD Flick is having trouble with the A/V sync then maybe there was or is slight sync issue after the rip or after romoving the layer break, 'Magic DVD Ripper' does have a setting for the conversions module to 'Force Audio & Video sync'

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cholla

This is a .vob that DVDflick isn't reading correctly & may be part of the problem . It isn't numbered the same but is in about the same place time wise.
Before & after the layer break removal.
This .vob shows correct time in mediainfo & MPC-HC but was incorrect in VLC but not the same way as DVDflick .
Here is an image :
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Any suggestions ?

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StormJumper

Oh!! yeah BTW as for DVDFab giving you that message you could load it into a virtual drive then process it through DVDFab.

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StormJumper

Yes!! Do what I would do and have done which is that is hook up a standalone DVD player to a video capture card and have it record it to your HDD as it plays it will save it as a .mpg then use DVD Flick, using this method you are eliminating the original files altogether.

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cholla

Thanks SJ , I've done that before & it is a solution .
I think the problem vob is the one that has or had the layer break.
I can't figure out why DVDflick is reading the time as - 1 second .
That may be part of the reason AVStoDVD had problems too.
MediaInfo reads it as 24 minutes 25 seconds which is correct
as far as I know without actually timing it .
I haven't downloaded Magic DVD Ripper yet .
I hate to use up the trial unless I have to.

I may have to try that . I have an old capture card but I haven't used it for a while. Last time it was used was for VHS.

Here is another oddity .If I use VobMerge to join all the vob files into one large vob the time shows a 1 hour 9 minutes & some odd seconds.
If played in VLC or MPC-HC it is the whole movie which is 2 hours 11 minutes & some odd seconds.

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Kerry56

If you run the ripped vob files through DGIndex manually, do you have any issues with the d2v file when it is used as input into AVStoDVD?

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StormJumper

Yeah I have found that when there is a issue caused by a poorly placed layer break which causes such problems removing it inadvertently causes another issue, which the method with the capture card and DVD player is a sure fire solution.

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cholla

Yes done that way has the same result as when I let AVStoDVD do it automatically.
It does the conversion but the final DVD compliant files have the horizontal bar artifacts.
The oddity I ran into with something similar was if I use DGIndex manually
but use the m2v file & say NO to indexing it . I end up with a DVD compliant VIDEO_TS folder but it is only approx half the movie .Actually it comes out about the 1 hour 9 minutes but that is all it is not like the merged vob files. The real oddity is it no longer has the horizontal bar artifacts .

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Wombler

That's a clever way of tackling that. Good thinking SJ!

It's very good software though and it would be interesting to hear what you think of it.


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cholla

An update on what I got to work .
1. From the Original " Full Disc" 7.58GB rip I used "Main Movie"
to remove the layer break & unwanted Audio tracks.DVD9 size.
2. This created a 5.44GB VIDEO_TS folder .
3. I used Wombler's instructions for PGCEdit.
I ran 'remove useless stuff' twice then FixVTS & saved .
4. I then used DGIndex manually as Kerry suggested .
That created a VTS_01_1.demuxed.m2v 4.96GB
VTS_01_1 T80 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3 362MB
VTS_01_1.d2v 980KB
5. I "added title" the .m2v in DVDFlick.
Then added the .ac3 with "Edit Title" "Audio Tracks".
In Preferences I set to DVD (4.3 GB) & Best & PAL .
Then "Create DVD".
It took about 4 hours mostly on the Video .
The resulting DVD folder is 7.85 GB .So it didn't compress it to DVD5.
That may be the result of the "Best" setting I may try "Normal" to see if the size changes . For now I'm using this this one.

It looks OK on my computer so I will move it over to my external hard drive & check it on the wide screen TV .(Haven't done this yet).
I also will be using DVDRebuilder to compress it to DVD5 . I don't like a second encode but I will burn that to an RW & see how it plays.

Some errors in the process:
The time of the .2mv is wrong 1 hour 12 minutes 34 seconds . I used it anyway.
The time of the .ac3 is correct 2 hours 12 minutes 1 second .
The movie time is correct when played in both VLC & MPC-HC so DVDFlick corrected this.
The audio is in sync .
I also added the .vobs from the DVD that DVDFlick created back into DVDFlick .
One of those (the last one this time) had the - 1 time problem. This was just to test.
I didn't try to create another DVD from this.

If all goes well I will give AVStoDVD a try with the .d2v listed above.

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cholla

I thought it might be like this from the media players on the computer .
It is not true 16:9 wide screen in that there are the vertical black bars on the sides.
I beleive this is from the cropping done by DVDFlick.
I'm still compressing to DVD5 as I want to play it & check with the CRT TV in my bedroom. Just to see how it plays on a 4:3 TV.
I also want to see the effects of the compression on the wide screen TV.

It doesn't have the horizontal bar motion problem .

With the side bars it is not what I want but it might be OK for someone with a CRT TV .
I will post what I think of that when I get a DVD burned.

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StormJumper

Cholla you sure do like to go through a lot of work, if and when I ever have this problem again I'll just stick with the video capture method.

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cholla

Sometimes I do. It's the challenge of getting something to work or trying to figure out why it doesn't .

I'm not opposed to the capture method .
When used do you still get a 3/2channel .ac3 audio track ?
Or do you have to settle for 2 channel.
Also depending on what the DVD player you use what output & the input a capture device accepts. Isn't 480P about the max ?

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StormJumper

Yes of course you lose all other tracks like 5.1 as well as the sub-picture but I never keep them anyway, however this issue happens very rarely so I don't mind using the above method when it does occur

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That's a good approach as that's how you learn the most and I've done many things in the past just to see if it could be done.

Glad to hear that seems to be working out for you BTW.

Sometimes it's easier to exclude issues rather than spending too much time figuring out exactly where the problem is. This is particularly the case when attempting something untested like this and it's always a good to use well tried and reliable methods.

PgcEdit is fantastic software and even at it's simplest, using just the 'remove useless stuff' function, is something that I'd recommend for every disc.

DVD Rebuilder is the best there is for DVD compression and none of the transcoders can match it for quality.

I've tested several encoders with it over the years including enterprise grade ones such as CCE but I've always found the HC encoder to be the best.


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