Is DVD Rebuilder with CCE really better?

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Movie copy software Discuss, Is DVD Rebuilder with CCE really better? at Software forum; I have heard from many sources that for the best quality backups that you can get with compression it's best to run DVD Rebuilder and compress using CCE (without burning to DVD-9, that is). If that is true that is what I would like to do. First thing's first, I

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fultz (New on Forum)
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Posted: 03-01-2006
I have heard from many sources that for the best quality backups that you can get with compression it's best to run DVD Rebuilder and compress using CCE (without burning to DVD-9, that is). If that is true that is what I would like to do.

First thing's first, I installed DVD Rebuilder but it asked for me to set the directory to CCE which I don't have, is CCE free?

Secondly, What settings should I use and how do I make the backup with CCE+DVD Rebuilder for best quality?

Thanks for the help.
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TigerZai (CDFreaks Resident)
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CCE is not free but you can download a trial. The Basic version currently costs $58. You can also use HC Encoder (current version 0.16) and that is free. It's slower than CCE but does a great job. Google on either and it'll take you right there. Remember that CCE takes much longer than a transcoder like DVD Shrink to do the job. Something you want to start before you go to bed and will be ready next morning.

The second part you can find out at Doom9 where they have a CCE guide. No point reiterating it here.

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fultz (New on Forum)
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Time is of no problem to me, I was actually a little worried that your dvd could be resized in 30 minutes on a 2.2GHz Celeron, That seems a little fast to me.

But back to my original question, is it really the best way or? I know there are many opinions on this, but im talking quality wise.
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Gurm (CDFreaks Resident)
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Yes. It really is the best way, without burning to dual-layer.

Transcoding (technically transcoding in the compressed domain) a la DVD Shrink or CloneDVD2 just throws away transform data. Intelligently, yes. But it doesn't actually re-encode the video. Now since the transform data only represents... maybe half of the total video, there is a severe quality loss once you compress too much with a transcoder.

On the other hand, if you re-encode the video entirely, you can get perfectly acceptable results with much higher compression, because you're reworking ALL the data.
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nwg (CD Freaks Senior Member)
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Another vote for HCEnc. I also like Quenc for some things.
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I like HC, and personally I can see a massive difference between a backup made with Rebuilder and a decent encoder, and one made with a transcoder such as DVD Shrink, for the majority of titles.
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fultz (New on Forum)
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Okay so now that I know it is the best way, How do I do it? Can somebody point me in the direction to the best guide? Thanks.
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Remember that CCE takes much longer than a transcoder like DVD Shrink to do the job. Something you want to start before you go to bed and will be ready next morning.
Also when you say slow with CCE, exactly how slow. I have 512 DDR memory and An AthlonXP 2200 Processior.

It normally takes a total of 45 minutes for a Double pass (i.e full analysis then encoding) with DVDShrink. So how much ball park figure would it take to do the same with DVDRebuilder and CCE.

Thanks
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Also when you say slow with CCE, exactly how slow. I have 512 DDR memory and An AthlonXP 2200 Processior.

It normally takes a total of 45 minutes for a Double pass (i.e full analysis then encoding) with DVDShrink. So how much ball park figure would it take to do the same with DVDRebuilder and CCE.

Thanks
Depending on the length of the content and number of passes, anywhere from a couple of hours to 5+ hours. You can run several passes, but with most encodings you will not see much improvement after 2-3 passes. An average disc with a couple of passes typically takes around 3 hours.
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my vote goes to HC encoder
here is the comparison of transcoders / encoders
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my vote goes to HC encoder
here is the comparison of transcoders / encoders
HC versus Procoder or CCE? Or HC versus a transcoder?
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HC versus Procoder or CCE? Or HC versus a transcoder?
It's DVD2One v2 vs DVD-RB (with Procoder as the encoder).
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check also other pages
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No, I meant Sonoluca recommends HC. I think HC is fine if you don't already own Procoder or CCE, but I don't feel that it is as good as either of them.
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IMO, HC is better than CCE for low bitrate reencoding and hit the specified target size most of the time. CCE varies and sometimes will oversize, but easy to compensate with more menu shrinking, or just reencoding some segment with a little lower bitrate rather than reencode the whole thing. Procoder is very good with low bitrate as well, esp interlaced sources.
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