Any better rippers than DVDFab?

hogger129 · 04-03-2012

Okay I am wondering if anybody has any suggestions for ripping programs that work better than DVDFab.

Every rip I've done in the past week has had the audio and video out of sync. I am ripping to iPad format. Ripping DVDs and Blu Ray discs. Every SINGLE one of em has the audio and video out of sync.

When I search forums for help, all I see is that they'll tell people to use the latest version. That doesn't help me. This issue has persisted for quite a while.

Will it get fixed?

If it helps, this also happens to me when ripping to PS3 format.

**Kerry56** · 04-03-2012

You are using the term "ripping" incorrectly. Yes, I know that DVDFab uses the term to describe two sections of their software for making various kinds of video out of dvds and blu ray, but they are using it incorrectly too. And they've been told this!! And still persist.

Ripping is moving data from the optical drive to the hard drive. That's it. You will not get any audio/video synchronization problems from this process.

Making different kinds of video out of dvd and blu ray sources is called CONVERSION. And I do not recommend DVDFab for any type of conversion process.

You would be better off using DVDFab to decrypt and RIP the movies to your hard drive. Then use some well known, free CONVERSION programs to put them into other formats. Take a look at Handbrake and Ripbot264 for this type of thing. Or if you are starting with a blu ray source, you can also use BD Rebuilder in Alternate Movie output mode to make mkv or mp4 files. These three programs will work well for H264 encoding. If you need xvid avi files for some reason, you might try Xvid4PSP (though it is much more versatile than its name states and it can work with H264 also).

StormJumper · 04-03-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerry56

DVDFab uses the term to describe two sections of their software for making various kinds of video out of dvds and blu ray, but they are using it incorrectly too. And they've been told this!!

@Kerry

Yeah!! I pointed it out when they made the changed from DVD to Mobile.

@hogger129

The programs Kerry suggested are very good and will do the job and will be your best bet

although I do have DVDFab's DVD Copy and DVD Ripper(

), for all my conversions I use Magic DVD Ripper which has both ripping and conversion abilities.

SJ

*cholla* · 04-03-2012

I've also played with DVDFab's Ripper section & tried some conversions from there.
None worked as they were suposed to. If DVDFab is going to offer conversion from this area they really need to fix it .
I have the lifetime Platinum on the DVD Copy & DVD Ripper . When I got this I thought I was getting it all but as DVDFab got larger they broke it up into more sections. They now sell seperately. They're in China so I'm not going to try & sue them over it . I wish I had printed out there site web page from when I got Platinum to show what they seemed to be selling. But I didn't.
A little venting there. I do think that what is supposed to work should work .

I already used the trial on the Video Converter section quite a while back but I don't remember it working correctly either.

I usually do my rips with AnyDVD & CloneDVD2 combination . These are not supposed to do any conversion & work as they're supposed to. DVDFab is my backup for when those don't work . Sometime neither works & I have to wait for an update.

There are a lot of conversion programs Kerry56 posted a couple .
To those you might add AutoGK , AVIDemux , or even Gordian Knot by itself .
Last even Format Factory . All those are freeware .

StormJumper · 04-03-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by cholla

I've also played with DVDFab's Ripper section & tried some conversions from there.
None worked as they were suposed to. If DVDFab is going to offer conversion from this area they really need to fix it .
I have the lifetime Platinum on the DVD Copy & DVD Ripper . When I got this I thought I was getting it all but as DVDFab got larger they broke it up into more sections. They now sell seperately. They're in China so I'm not going to try & sue them over it . I wish I had printed out there site web page from when I got Platinum to show what they seemed to be selling. But I didn't.
A little venting there. I do think that what is supposed to work should work .

I already used the trial on the Video Converter section quite a while back but I don't remember it working correctly either.

I usually do my rips with AnyDVD & CloneDVD2 combination . These are not supposed to do any conversion & work as they're supposed to. DVDFab is my backup for when those don't work . Sometime neither works & I have to wait for an update.

There are a lot of conversion programs Kerry56 posted a couple .
To those you might add AutoGK , AVIDemux , or even Gordian Knot by itself .
Last even Format Factory . All those are freeware .

I personally have had no problems with DVDFab's DVD to Mobile/Ripper but then again only used a few profiles, ever since their change to the QT environment the issues for some users don't seem to get fixed.

As for the lifetime registration goes I too have the same and was not happy either on the Platinum statement, however I do understand that my lifetime registration for the Platinum was only good for the life of that product(DVDFab Platinum) which was discontinued(thus end of life) but at least Fengtao did honor the lifetime reg key for both DVD to DVD/DVD Copy and DVD to Mobile/Ripper.

SJ
P.S Just my .02¢

*cholla* · 04-03-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormJumper

I do understand that my lifetime registration for the Platinum was only good for the life of that product(DVDFab Platinum) which was discontinued(thus end of life) .

I have always disagreed with the above analysis of lifetime of a product.
My analysis is lifetime of a product is as long as I own the product .

Like car parts warranties . I've replaced a lot of brake pads the second or third time with a lifetime warranty.

With the first analogy I could create a software .Sell as many lifetime copies as I could . Then end the life of the product & no longer support it.
That would mean I could do this in a year or even less. Take the money & run so to speak.
To me that would be breach of contract.

I know Fengtao has continued support & that is as it should be.

Honestly I didn't keep a copy of the original EULA either but should have to see if it had the life of that product exclusion. It may have.
I know on the site it didn't have any information like as soon as the "the life of that product" ended so did the lifetime registration that was paid for.

Like Craftsman tools if I take in a 40 year old tool they will do their best to replace it with the same or similar tool. That is a real lifetime warranty.
I have actually done this . I didn't get the we have ended the life of that product so you no longer have a lifetime warranty.

That is my 2 cents worth.

StormJumper · 04-03-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by cholla

I have always disagreed with the above analysis of lifetime of a product.
My analysis is lifetime of a product is as long as I own the product .
Like car parts warranties . I've replaced a lot of brake pads the second or third time with a lifetime warranty.

With the first analogy I could create a software .Sell as many lifetime copies as I could . Then end the life of the product & no longer support it.
That would mean I could do this in a year or even less. Take the money & run so to speak.
To me that would be breach of contract.

I know Fengtao has continued support & that is as it should be.

Honestly I didn't keep a copy of the original EULA either but should have to see if it had the life of that product exclusion. It may have.
I know on the site it didn't have any information like as soon as the "the life of that product" ended so did the lifetime registration that was paid for.

Like Craftsman tools if I take in a 40 year old tool they will do their best to replace it with the same or similar tool. That is a real lifetime warranty.
I have actually done this . I didn't get the we have ended the life of that product so you no longer have a lifetime warranty.

That is my 2 cents worth.

The above in bold would be correct however for a software product there is a gray area, if a software has been discontinued then the life cycle of that software/product is stops and no action can be taken against an author for not keeping a product updated that they no longer offer in their product line, as for you owning the product for your lifetime goes you are still able to use the last release version of DVDFab Platinum and your lifetime reg key does still work for that product and will for as long as you want (meaning your lifetime)

Tis just my .02¢

*cholla* · 05-03-2012

Always an interesting debate on this .
I know this is what software authors say that they can not be held liable for a discontinued software.

Do you know if this has ever been tested in court ?

Specifically on a paid version of a software where a lifetime key with lifetime updates was purchased.

This could just be something that if repeated enough people accept it.

Of course actually suing a Chinese company would be a problem all by itself I think .
The legal expense (which might be uncompensated) would far outweigh the value of the software. Getting the court summons served in China would be a trick all by itself.
Much less getting it enforced.

StormJumper · 05-03-2012

Well to be honest I doubt seking a legal action on such an issue wouldn't be worth it in any country.

The thing is business policies and/or business tactics constantly change to a company's needs to ensure a continuous cash return on their product, although some company's do what some see as not right...(example)... DVDFab HD Decrypter was updated at time the paid version was but that changed because most users of the free version didn't feel the needs to buy so the 90 day lag in updates was put in placed course most of those users learned to live with that now a DVDFab watermark is placed on all backups done with the free version

which is nothing more then a business tactic to get more buyers.

Don't get me wrong Fengtao has a great product and I use it most of the time, the statement above is just my opinion and .02¢ on your question and nothing more.

SJ

*cholla* · 05-03-2012

The lag in time seemed fair to me & I have no problem with a company making there paid version more attractive.
I didn't know about the watermark but I think it is a bit much.
It kind of abuses those that need a free version but I guess that's the way it is.
You are probably right about not being worth it in any country .
Only a local company might be worth it in a small claims court .

**Kerry56** · 05-03-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormJumper

...now a DVDFab watermark is placed on all backups done with the free version...

Whoa!

When did this start? Has there been an announcement for this? The only thing I recommend DVDFab for is the free section, but they may have lost the last bit of those endorsements with this development!

StormJumper · 05-03-2012

In a small claims court it may still not be worth the trouble, most likely the award if any may only consist of the price you paid for the product and may attorney's fee.

Anyway been nice chatting with you on this my friend.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend at least whats left of it.

SJ

hogger129 · 05-03-2012

Sorry for causing a crap storm guys. It seems I was not doing it correctly. After a short Google search, I figured out how to decrypt and rip the movie to my hard drive using the "Blu Ray Copy" option and then create my conversion to iPad format from that, rather than from my external Blu Ray drive. Kerry was right about the delay between the devices. So far all the ones ripped to my HD and then converted have been 100%. Thank you for the help.

StormJumper · 05-03-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by hogger129

Sorry for causing a crap storm guys. It seems I was not doing it correctly. After a short Google search, I figured out how to decrypt and rip the movie to my hard drive using the "Blu Ray Copy" option and then create my conversion to iPad format from that, rather than from my external Blu Ray drive. Kerry was right about the delay between the devices. So far all the ones ripped to my HD and then converted have been 100%. Thank you for the help.

No problem you didn't start anything bad we was just carrying on a conversation waiting for you to jump in

Yeah if you are going to convert to another format it's always best to rip to hard drive and do the conversion from the HDDand not the optical drive especially a external drive because there are a few factors that can and will cause unwanted issues.

SJ

*cholla* · 05-03-2012

Yep just a friendly debate between friends.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerry56

Whoa!

When did this start? Has there been an announcement for this? The only thing I recommend DVDFab for is the free section, but they may have lost the last bit of those endorsements with this development!

I have a computer with the free version on it . I usually don't use it for ripping but I'm going to test to see what the watermark looks like. If it's very noticeable I won't be recommending DVDFab free either.
There are a couple of free versions of new alternatives I've seen on the forum that can basically do the same.

**olyteddy** · 05-03-2012

Quote:

I'm going to test to see what the watermark looks like

So does that mean the free version will always re-encode? What a waste. Especially since most new DVDs can be done with Shrink alone. Seems the studios want to put their DRM money into BluRay these days.

StormJumper · 05-03-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerry56

Whoa!

When did this start? Has there been an announcement for this? The only thing I recommend DVDFab for is the free section, but they may have lost the last bit of those endorsements with this development!

Hey Kerry

Sorry you seem to have slipped in without me noticing you.

Not sure when they started this because didn't see anything in the change logs, but to verify what I said here is a recent conversation on it with one member we all know...

Quote:

Originally Posted by vze2mp9g

When I purchase DVDFab, will it stop putting the watermark on the DVD copies?
Thank You.

Quote:

Originally Posted by maineman

Yes, as long as the product is activated properly.

@Cholla

You'll find Magic DVD Ripper has everything the Platinum had but with a built-in profile editor plus no sync issues on conversion.

course it has no burn function but hey if your like me you prefer ImgBurn for that.

Oh!! No custom mode but does have the split function.

SJ

**Wombler** · 05-03-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormJumper

Hey Kerry

Sorry you seem to have slipped in without me noticing you.

Not sure when they started this because didn't see anything in the change logs, but to verify what I said here is a recent conversation on it with one member we all know...

Those quotes are taken out of context so it's probably best if I clarify this.

The watermark has been there for a long time now (since version 7 I think).

If you convert or compress the video with the trial version it'll insert a watermark which is visible on-screen as the DVDFab logo (at certain points during playback).

The watermark is encoded into the video when transcoding so the free ripping component is unaffected and you won't get the watermark if you're just ripping discs.

So the freeware ripping component is not affected by this.

Wombler

*cholla* · 05-03-2012

Thanks Wombler . I'm still going to check it out on my old computer .
The thing is I still had version 6 on it as I rarely use it to rip anymore .
I installed the latest version of 8QT but it has a new trial period also.
I'm doing a full copy right now with it so it activates the trial but will
have to wait for next month to check the watermark. After the trial expires.

StormJumper · 05-03-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wombler

Those quotes are taken out of context so it's probably best if I clarify this.

The watermark has been there for a long time now (since version 7 I think).

If you convert or compress the video with the trial version it'll insert a watermark which is visible on-screen as the DVDFab logo (at certain points during playback).

The watermark is encoded into the video when transcoding so the free ripping component is unaffected and you won't get the watermark if you're just ripping discs.

So the freeware ripping component is not affected by this.

Wombler

Interesting thanks for that info I personally think the use of the watermark in the trial period is wrong considering it's suppose to be fully functional with nothing more or nothing less then the paid version, but never the less... it was just used as an example to point out business tactics used by software authors.

SJ

**Wombler** · 05-03-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormJumper

Interesting thanks for that info I personally think the use of the watermark in the trial period is wrong considering it's suppose to be fully functional with nothing more or nothing less then the paid version, but never the less... it was just used as an example to point out business tactics used by software authors.

SJ

No problem my friend and always glad to help.

Wombler

**Kerry56** · 05-03-2012

Thanks for the clarification Wombler.

But the way things are going with Fab, I get the feeling the free section's days are numbered.

**Wombler** · 05-03-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerry56

Thanks for the clarification Wombler.

But the way things are going with Fab, I get the feeling the free section's days are numbered.

My pleasure Kerry.

TBH I've had that same feeling for a long time now ever since the demise of RipIt4Me.

It still continues to be free albeit 60 days behind now although there are now other free alternatives so hopefully this will encourage them to continue.

BTW I don't know if anyone else has noticed this or not but all DVDFab rips are identifiable as having been ripped by DVDFab as the software rather cheekily changes the original 'Provider ID' to 'DVDFab'.

Wombler

**olyteddy** · 06-03-2012

With so many better encoders (HandBrake, Badaboom, etc.) I'm not likely to use the Fab ones anyway.

**Wombler** · 06-03-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by olyteddy

With so many better encoders (HandBrake, Badaboom, etc.) I'm not likely to use the Fab ones anyway.

A lot of people are the same and just use the freeware ripping component then process with other software.

I rip with DVDFab and process with DVD Rebuilder which gives maximum quality.

A lot of people would have to find another solution if the freeware component of DVDFab disappeared.

Then again the freeware component acts as a marketing tool for DVDFab as it's expensive compared to other software and a lot of their customers probably wouldn't have originally bothered with DVDFab if it wasn't for the free ripping component.

Wombler

04-03-2012	#1
hogger129 MyCE Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: The Dark Side of the Moon Posts: 239	Any better rippers than DVDFab? Okay I am wondering if anybody has any suggestions for ripping programs that work better than DVDFab. Every rip I've done in the past week has had the audio and video out of sync. I am ripping to iPad format. Ripping DVDs and Blu Ray discs. Every SINGLE one of em has the audio and video out of sync. When I search forums for help, all I see is that they'll tell people to use the latest version. That doesn't help me. This issue has persisted for quite a while. Will it get fixed? If it helps, this also happens to me when ripping to PS3 format.

04-03-2012	#2
Kerry56 Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: West Texas Posts: 14,411	Re: Any better rippers than DVDFab? You are using the term "ripping" incorrectly. Yes, I know that DVDFab uses the term to describe two sections of their software for making various kinds of video out of dvds and blu ray, but they are using it incorrectly too. And they've been told this!! And still persist. Ripping is moving data from the optical drive to the hard drive. That's it. You will not get any audio/video synchronization problems from this process. Making different kinds of video out of dvd and blu ray sources is called CONVERSION. And I do not recommend DVDFab for any type of conversion process. You would be better off using DVDFab to decrypt and RIP the movies to your hard drive. Then use some well known, free CONVERSION programs to put them into other formats. Take a look at Handbrake and Ripbot264 for this type of thing. Or if you are starting with a blu ray source, you can also use BD Rebuilder in Alternate Movie output mode to make mkv or mp4 files. These three programs will work well for H264 encoding. If you need xvid avi files for some reason, you might try Xvid4PSP (though it is much more versatile than its name states and it can work with H264 also). __________________ Basic Guide for BD Rebuilder BD Rebuilder Guide for MP4 or MKV conversion AVStoDVD Guide

04-03-2012	#4
cholla MyCE Resident Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Amarillo ,Texas Posts: 5,349	Re: Any better rippers than DVDFab? I've also played with DVDFab's Ripper section & tried some conversions from there. None worked as they were suposed to. If DVDFab is going to offer conversion from this area they really need to fix it . I have the lifetime Platinum on the DVD Copy & DVD Ripper . When I got this I thought I was getting it all but as DVDFab got larger they broke it up into more sections. They now sell seperately. They're in China so I'm not going to try & sue them over it . I wish I had printed out there site web page from when I got Platinum to show what they seemed to be selling. But I didn't. A little venting there. I do think that what is supposed to work should work . I already used the trial on the Video Converter section quite a while back but I don't remember it working correctly either. I usually do my rips with AnyDVD & CloneDVD2 combination . These are not supposed to do any conversion & work as they're supposed to. DVDFab is my backup for when those don't work . Sometime neither works & I have to wait for an update. There are a lot of conversion programs Kerry56 posted a couple . To those you might add AutoGK , AVIDemux , or even Gordian Knot by itself . Last even Format Factory . All those are freeware . __________________ cholla pronounced ˈchȯi-yə click on cholla to hear

05-03-2012	#8
cholla MyCE Resident Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Amarillo ,Texas Posts: 5,349	Re: Any better rippers than DVDFab? Always an interesting debate on this . I know this is what software authors say that they can not be held liable for a discontinued software. Do you know if this has ever been tested in court ? Specifically on a paid version of a software where a lifetime key with lifetime updates was purchased. This could just be something that if repeated enough people accept it. Of course actually suing a Chinese company would be a problem all by itself I think . The legal expense (which might be uncompensated) would far outweigh the value of the software. Getting the court summons served in China would be a trick all by itself. Much less getting it enforced. __________________ cholla pronounced ˈchȯi-yə click on cholla to hear

05-03-2012	#9
StormJumper Retired Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aloha, OREGON Posts: 12,734	Re: Any better rippers than DVDFab? Well to be honest I doubt seking a legal action on such an issue wouldn't be worth it in any country. The thing is business policies and/or business tactics constantly change to a company's needs to ensure a continuous cash return on their product, although some company's do what some see as not right...(example)... DVDFab HD Decrypter was updated at time the paid version was but that changed because most users of the free version didn't feel the needs to buy so the 90 day lag in updates was put in placed course most of those users learned to live with that now a DVDFab watermark is placed on all backups done with the free version which is nothing more then a business tactic to get more buyers. Don't get me wrong Fengtao has a great product and I use it most of the time, the statement above is just my opinion and .02¢ on your question and nothing more. SJ __________________ I have left MyCE and will never return

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