Pioneer launches BDR-2207 BDXL Quad-layer Blu-ray writer

**Seán** · 01-05-2012

Pioneer launches BDR-2207 BDXL Quad-layer Blu-ray writer.

Pioneer, a company well known for optical drives since the first DVD writers, has launched its latest and most powerful internal Blu-ray writer, the BDR-2207. This writer includes read and write support for the latest BDXL disc formats, including triple-layer DB-R and BD-RE 100GB media and quad-layer BD-R 128GB media.

Read the full article here: http://www.myce.com/news/pioneer-lau...-writer-61434/

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**Wombler** · 01-05-2012

Ooh now that sounds interesting!

I'd been waiting for the BDR-207 which has just recently appeared in the UK but I'll have to check this one out now too.

Wombler

BradWright · 02-05-2012

It's very considerate of these electronics companies to make it possible for us to lose more and more data with a single scratch. Awesome! Why they didn't put these disks in protective cases (something on the lines of the old floppy disks) when Blu-ray first came out is beyond me. Sure they would be slightly more bulky, but who cares? You wouldn't have to worry so much about losing your data to a scratch.

**Seán** · 02-05-2012

That's actually good point, especially for recordable discs. As for the bulkiness, they wouldn't take up any more space than a regular disc in a jewel case. I remember using a DVD-RAM enclosed in a cartridge back around 2002, so it's not like that the disc cannot operate inside an enclosure. That LaCie DVD writer at the time could accept both bare and cartridge based discs. As both sides of the disc would be protected, they could even be made double-sided.

As for the BD-R/RE XL, the only BD-RE XL disc I could find was a Panasonic BD-RE Triple-layer 100GB on eBay UK, priced at £79.

For a mere £1 extra, I can get a 128GB Lexar USB stick on Amazon, which is not affected by scratches, fingerprints, warping, being left in the sun, etc., has 28GB of extra capacity and doesn't not require an optical drive. As for size difference, try placing the BD-RE XL in a jeans pocket.

*CDan* · 02-05-2012

So now you get to wait for 3-4 hours to find out you burned a coaster. Whoopee.

**Wombler** · 02-05-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seán

As for the BD-R/RE XL, the only BD-RE XL disc I could find was a Panasonic BD-RE Triple-layer 100GB on eBay UK, priced at £79.

Wow that’s in scary territory.

I think I'd better forget about triple and quad layer media for the moment.

Wombler

yojimbo197 · 02-05-2012

That reminds me of the days when we would pay $100 bucks for a 1Gb WORM cartridge.

**Seán** · 02-05-2012

BD-R XL (write-once) is a little cheaper on Amazon, at £62 for a 100GB disc.

I had no luck finding any quad-layer BD-R media, but based on seeing the price of this triple-layer disc, I sure do wonder who would want to fork out on such expensive media.

After seeing how little BD-R DL media has come down in price in the ~6 years it has been on the market, I think the BD-R XL format is going to be little more than a collector's item. Even fitting 100GB or 128GB on a 12cm disc appears nothing special, especially if placed next to a 128GB SD card.

*_chef_* · 02-05-2012

It's about time that it comes out....and its for the NA market only.

olddancer · 02-05-2012

Lovely but useless.
Double layer disks are nearly impossible to find courtesy of the various Recording Associations and their leagal cronies. Tripple and quad layer, in your dreams.
As for cost, dual layer disks can be found from between $10 to $30 each which would put the cost of a quad layer disk at somewhere between $50 to $100 and probably readable only on the unit that burned it.

*tmc8080* · 03-05-2012

This will be something of a novelty until they can get the quality control of media to something better than bd-r is today. The killer application will be data backup and not necessarily video b/c 50gb discs are plenty for that now and the industry standard. BDXL is not an industry standard and it's video discs w/ triple player are not forwards compatible to ordinary blu ray players! So, untill mass evolution comes to blu ray players and the quality/data integrity of the media lasts longer this will be an expensive niche optical solution which borders on experimental.

*Besides, remember the losers in the format war? HD-DVD.. they've already come up with a 4-10 layer solution going from 250gb to almost 1tb. Get ready for another format war, lol.

*Dartman* · 03-05-2012

The first HD player I bought was a Toshiba A2 when the prices got stupid. I have a ton of HD DVD disks too and a LG GGW H20L just so I could do anything HD format related down the road. The nice thing about HD DVD was the format was final standard from the start, the player were a bit cheaper, and so were the disks with about the same quality, They should have swallowed their pride and combined the formats like they started to do rather then fight to the bloody end and end up with a format that cost more to make and still isn't final.
I agree about disk qaulity and price too. I think I've maybe burned about 5 HD disks with the LG, just figured I'd get it before they were gone and worry about using it when prices went down on blanks.
So your saying somebody is STILL working with HD-DVD and has 10 layers blanks now, or just that BD can do that now as both were working to multi layer disks before it stopped and BD won.

FreqNasty_RiseS · 04-05-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by olddancer

Lovely but useless.
Double layer disks are nearly impossible to find courtesy of the various Recording Associations and their leagal cronies. Tripple and quad layer, in your dreams.
As for cost, dual layer disks can be found from between $10 to $30 each which would put the cost of a quad layer disk at somewhere between $50 to $100 and probably readable only on the unit that burned it.

Which country you in? I just bought 10 dual layer Verbatim BD-R for $35 inc. shipping from Japan to Australia. They're rated at 4x but can burn at 10x. At $3.50 for 50GB I consider that pretty good value. The same store has 100GB triple layer BD-R for $65 and the rewritable triple layer discs for $123. You just wouldn't bother when 2 50GB discs cost $7. I remember a CD-R being $50 in the early 90's.

olddancer · 05-05-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreqNasty_RiseS

Which country you in? I just bought 10 dual layer Verbatim BD-R for $35 inc. shipping from Japan to Australia. They're rated at 4x but can burn at 10x. At $3.50 for 50GB I consider that pretty good value. The same store has 100GB triple layer BD-R for $65 and the rewritable triple layer discs for $123. You just wouldn't bother when 2 50GB discs cost $7. I remember a CD-R being $50 in the early 90's.

I live in that "other" big colony on the other side of the Pacific mate. Sadly in Canada we are at the mercy of the bloody "Mrrkins" and their slease ball Music Lawyers. Importing direct from Japan will probably lead to a knock on the door in the middle of the night followed by the MPAA, RIA, the CIA and the Mounties bursting through your door. It's probably easier here to buy a handgun than a dual layer BD Disk.

*_chef_* · 06-05-2012

I can only underline what "FreqNasty_RiseS" already posted.

You can self-import all that stuff kinda cheap and if you don't get greedy then the customs will also play quiet.

I did so with all my BD-R SL, DL and TL discs.

**pepst** · 06-05-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by _chef_

I can only underline what "FreqNasty_RiseS" already posted.

You can self-import all that stuff kinda cheap and if you don't get greedy then the customs will also play quiet.

I did so with all my BD-R SL, DL and TL discs.

Have you already burned any TL or even QL BD-R media?

*debro* · 06-05-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreqNasty_RiseS

Which country you in? I just bought 10 dual layer Verbatim BD-R for $35 inc. shipping from Japan to Australia. They're rated at 4x but can burn at 10x. At $3.50 for 50GB I consider that pretty good value. The same store has 100GB triple layer BD-R for $65 and the rewritable triple layer discs for $123. You just wouldn't bother when 2 50GB discs cost $7. I remember a CD-R being $50 in the early 90's.

Linky?

**deanwitty** · 10-05-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by debro

Linky?

Hi Debro

On the off chance that you haven't found them yourself

, and for any interested in US$60.00 BDRXL TL's, here's the link.

Remarkably, that same seller is among those that are trying to get people to pay $10.00+ each for the new Taiyo Yuden BD-R DL's that I've been buying for US$4.00 each for the last 3 months

.

*_chef_* · 12-05-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by pepst

Have you already burned any TL or even QL BD-R media?

Sharp BD-R XL TL, yes. Not seen the QL, the TL RE is too expensive as for now.

@dean, that Pana TL BD-R looks a bit expensive to me, at least here you have to add VAT.

Dennis_Olof · 13-05-2012

Strange, I guess for pioneer it is great. Us consumers would be way better of if the quality of media was better and burners had higher quality.

*headquarter84* · 15-05-2012

AT LAST!!! I guess NOW is the time for me to invest in a BD-RE drive

!

The drive prices here are a bit too crazy, almost double or triple the prices of whatever you'll find online, I guess I'll import one of these beauties and maybe get some discs shipped with it as well... But I'll be waiting for a review first... Now I watch and wait

*_chef_* · 19-05-2012

Importing from .CN?

*headquarter84* · 19-05-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by _chef_

Importing from .CN?

If you mean Canada then I guess not, more likely from China

!

Sgt_Strider · 11-06-2012

Is this drive similar to the Pioneer XD04?

*cvs* · 12-06-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sgt_Strider

Is this drive similar to the Pioneer XD04?

No. The BDR-2207 (aka BDR-207M) is a 12x 5.25" desktop drive while the XD04 is a 6x slim portable drive...

01-05-2012	#1
Seán Senior Administrator & Reviewer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Republic of Ireland (North West) Posts: 9,649	Pioneer launches BDR-2207 BDXL Quad-layer Blu-ray writer Pioneer launches BDR-2207 BDXL Quad-layer Blu-ray writer. Pioneer, a company well known for optical drives since the first DVD writers, has launched its latest and most powerful internal Blu-ray writer, the BDR-2207. This writer includes read and write support for the latest BDXL disc formats, including triple-layer DB-R and BD-RE 100GB media and quad-layer BD-R 128GB media. Read the full article here: http://www.myce.com/news/pioneer-lau...-writer-61434/ Please note that the reactions from the complete site will be synched below.

01-05-2012	#2
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Seán Senior Administrator & Reviewer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Republic of Ireland (North West) Posts: 9,649	Re: Pioneer launches BDR-2207 BDXL Quad-layer Blu-ray writer That's actually good point, especially for recordable discs. As for the bulkiness, they wouldn't take up any more space than a regular disc in a jewel case. I remember using a DVD-RAM enclosed in a cartridge back around 2002, so it's not like that the disc cannot operate inside an enclosure. That LaCie DVD writer at the time could accept both bare and cartridge based discs. As both sides of the disc would be protected, they could even be made double-sided. As for the BD-R/RE XL, the only BD-RE XL disc I could find was a Panasonic BD-RE Triple-layer 100GB on eBay UK, priced at £79. For a mere £1 extra, I can get a 128GB Lexar USB stick on Amazon, which is not affected by scratches, fingerprints, warping, being left in the sun, etc., has 28GB of extra capacity and doesn't not require an optical drive. As for size difference, try placing the BD-RE XL in a jeans pocket.

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yojimbo197 MyCE Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 429	Re: Pioneer launches BDR-2207 BDXL Quad-layer Blu-ray writer That reminds me of the days when we would pay $100 bucks for a 1Gb WORM cartridge.

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Seán Senior Administrator & Reviewer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Republic of Ireland (North West) Posts: 9,649	Re: Pioneer launches BDR-2207 BDXL Quad-layer Blu-ray writer BD-R XL (write-once) is a little cheaper on Amazon, at £62 for a 100GB disc. I had no luck finding any quad-layer BD-R media, but based on seeing the price of this triple-layer disc, I sure do wonder who would want to fork out on such expensive media. After seeing how little BD-R DL media has come down in price in the ~6 years it has been on the market, I think the BD-R XL format is going to be little more than a collector's item. Even fitting 100GB or 128GB on a 12cm disc appears nothing special, especially if placed next to a 128GB SD card.

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BradWright MyCE Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 225	It's very considerate of these electronics companies to make it possible for us to lose more and more data with a single scratch. Awesome! Why they didn't put these disks in protective cases (something on the lines of the old floppy disks) when Blu-ray first came out is beyond me. Sure they would be slightly more bulky, but who cares? You wouldn't have to worry so much about losing your data to a scratch.

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CDan MyCE Resident Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Posts: 3,913	So now you get to wait for 3-4 hours to find out you burned a coaster. Whoopee.

02-05-2012	#9
_chef_ MyCE Resident Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: @FX labs .de ...playing LLAMATRON :-] Posts: 30,613	Re: Pioneer launches BDR-2207 BDXL Quad-layer Blu-ray writer It's about time that it comes out....and its for the NA market only. __________________ Enable DMA with micrAp$0ft Enable DMA free at your will busTRACE => Upper/Lower Filters Util DevCon *HOW TO ... Delete the Upper & Lower Filters!* If you expect help then please use the powerful SEARCH. Try ThreatFire I am looking for DVD-R for Authoring & HD DVD media. Please PM me if you can help me. Vamos Tribbles! V-a-m-o-s!!

02-05-2012	#10
olddancer MyCE Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 285	Lovely but useless. Double layer disks are nearly impossible to find courtesy of the various Recording Associations and their leagal cronies. Tripple and quad layer, in your dreams. As for cost, dual layer disks can be found from between $10 to $30 each which would put the cost of a quad layer disk at somewhere between $50 to $100 and probably readable only on the unit that burned it.

03-05-2012	#11
tmc8080 MyCE Resident Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 964	This will be something of a novelty until they can get the quality control of media to something better than bd-r is today. The killer application will be data backup and not necessarily video b/c 50gb discs are plenty for that now and the industry standard. BDXL is not an industry standard and it's video discs w/ triple player are not forwards compatible to ordinary blu ray players! So, untill mass evolution comes to blu ray players and the quality/data integrity of the media lasts longer this will be an expensive niche optical solution which borders on experimental. *Besides, remember the losers in the format war? HD-DVD.. they've already come up with a 4-10 layer solution going from 250gb to almost 1tb. Get ready for another format war, lol.

03-05-2012	#12
Dartman MyCE Resident Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USA Posts: 1,775	Re: Pioneer launches BDR-2207 BDXL Quad-layer Blu-ray writer The first HD player I bought was a Toshiba A2 when the prices got stupid. I have a ton of HD DVD disks too and a LG GGW H20L just so I could do anything HD format related down the road. The nice thing about HD DVD was the format was final standard from the start, the player were a bit cheaper, and so were the disks with about the same quality, They should have swallowed their pride and combined the formats like they started to do rather then fight to the bloody end and end up with a format that cost more to make and still isn't final. I agree about disk qaulity and price too. I think I've maybe burned about 5 HD disks with the LG, just figured I'd get it before they were gone and worry about using it when prices went down on blanks. So your saying somebody is STILL working with HD-DVD and has 10 layers blanks now, or just that BD can do that now as both were working to multi layer disks before it stopped and BD won.

06-05-2012	#15
_chef_ MyCE Resident Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: @FX labs .de ...playing LLAMATRON :-] Posts: 30,613	Re: Pioneer launches BDR-2207 BDXL Quad-layer Blu-ray writer I can only underline what "FreqNasty_RiseS" already posted. You can self-import all that stuff kinda cheap and if you don't get greedy then the customs will also play quiet. I did so with all my BD-R SL, DL and TL discs. __________________ Enable DMA with micrAp$0ft Enable DMA free at your will busTRACE => Upper/Lower Filters Util DevCon *HOW TO ... Delete the Upper & Lower Filters!* If you expect help then please use the powerful SEARCH. Try ThreatFire I am looking for DVD-R for Authoring & HD DVD media. Please PM me if you can help me. Vamos Tribbles! V-a-m-o-s!!

13-05-2012	#20
Dennis_Olof MyCE Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 242	Re: Pioneer launches BDR-2207 BDXL Quad-layer Blu-ray writer Strange, I guess for pioneer it is great. Us consumers would be way better of if the quality of media was better and burners had higher quality.

15-05-2012	#21
headquarter84 CD Freak Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: ►HERE◄ Posts: 2,119	AT LAST!!! I guess NOW is the time for me to invest in a BD-RE drive ! The drive prices here are a bit too crazy, almost double or triple the prices of whatever you'll find online, I guess I'll import one of these beauties and maybe get some discs shipped with it as well... But I'll be waiting for a review first... Now I watch and wait

19-05-2012	#22
_chef_ MyCE Resident Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: @FX labs .de ...playing LLAMATRON :-] Posts: 30,613	Re: Pioneer launches BDR-2207 BDXL Quad-layer Blu-ray writer Importing from .CN? __________________ Enable DMA with micrAp$0ft Enable DMA free at your will busTRACE => Upper/Lower Filters Util DevCon *HOW TO ... Delete the Upper & Lower Filters!* If you expect help then please use the powerful SEARCH. Try ThreatFire I am looking for DVD-R for Authoring & HD DVD media. Please PM me if you can help me. Vamos Tribbles! V-a-m-o-s!!

11-06-2012	#24
Sgt_Strider MyCE Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 317	Re: Pioneer launches BDR-2207 BDXL Quad-layer Blu-ray writer Is this drive similar to the Pioneer XD04?

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