Blue-ray technology - why, when?

*drpino* · 14-02-2005

good short article about the new technologies. i pretty much agree 100% with the author's viewpoint on this topic.
http://www.thetechzone.com/?m=show&id=189&page=1

*rdgrimes* · 14-02-2005

I take strong acception to his statement that HD is only slightly better than DVD. And much of his argument is based on that assumption. Anyone who's seen true HD quality knows this is not so. Still, it IS true that true HD programming is scarce. Most of what we see is DVD quality in HD format. This will probably not change either, satellite and broadcast providers will continue to over-compress signals and deliver less than HD specs.

It is true that the DRM is behind much of the push for HD. Of course, DRM is a joke because if you can play it, you can copy it. But, since DRM technology is such a big business, it will continue to drive the marketplace. And the only people really affected by DRM will be the normal end-user, not the pirates.

*furballi* · 14-02-2005

Folks are reluctant to spend more $ on DVD-9s. Those with big screen TVs will be first to embrace Hi Def. The majority of US households have 36" or smaller TVs. Hi Def will not be a big impact with these smaller sets.

Don't forget that in major US markets, one can receive TRUE HD TV for FREE with a roof-top antenna. Have you seen any of those in your hood?

I submit that most people are not willing to upgrade the monitor and playback device ($1500 to $2000 investments) to get the most out of HD materials. DVD standard is already "very good".

Goudo · 14-02-2005

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Originally Posted by rdgrimes

Of course, DRM is a joke because if you can play it, you can copy it. But, since DRM technology is such a big business, it will continue to drive the marketplace. And the only people really affected by DRM will be the normal end-user, not the pirates.

The American congress and other world governments are enacting laws that make it illegal to intentenally break or hack such protections. Not that someone will not find a way, like the DVD's encryption.

*drpino* · 14-02-2005

these are the points i mainly agree with:

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The fact is that blue-ray technologies and high def won't be meaningful until 2006 and won't be mainstream until 2007. But that timespan isn't deterring the two camps because there will be huge amounts of money involved in licensing fees from the people who decide to produce players, drives, recorders, content and recordable media.

While the movie and content industry states that it wants to deliver a better consumer experience, they are really more concerned about having a technology that provides the 100% copy protection the industry demands. Studios are beginning to feel the bit of piracy. As quickly as possible they want to ensure they avoid the fate of CD sales and online file swapping.

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Such a box will be expensive during the early years so this could move volume consumer demand out even further. Without a single solution we could be looking at high def not really taking off until 2008? 2009?

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With the street price for burners sitting at $70, DVD recorders at about $150, DVD players going for as little as $20 and DVDR media priced about 60 cents (and less) per disc we're only now seeing the consumer demand coming close to the volumes of devices/media being produced.

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But what will you purchase next year - DVD or a flavor of blue-ray technology? Take a look at the movie titles you want to buy or rent and what's your choice? DVD. Take a look at the TV content you just have to archive? Not a lot of high def! How many high def full-length videos do you plan to produce? For that matter, how many feature length DVDs?

Consumers are only now beginning to convert from VHS in large numbers. In many parts of the country and the world people are finally stepping up to DVD quality. High def is better? Is it that much better? Consumers - mainstream consumers - will probably wait for 2006 to make that call. If the hassling continues they may wait until 2007 or ????

*furballi* · 14-02-2005

Bottomline...$. Folks didn't jump on the DVD bandwagon until the price drops below $100. They do it because they could see a better picture with DVDs. Plus the format is much more convenient than VHS (almost instant access and no rewind).

With HD DVD/Blue Ray, there is the possibility of better picture. Without a high resolution monitor, the picture is NO BETTER than today's DVD format.

It will take a very long time for US consumers to adopt HD TVs. The current DVD format will still rule, at least until 2010.

Robn · 16-02-2005

What happened to Blu-Ray this CES? they had nothing to show, and no nothing to announce. I assumed that when Sony released it's first recorder in Japan April 2003, that Blu-Ray would be the hi-def format first launched. However, at the CES only HD-DVD seemed to have any concrete plans with hardware and software dates for last qtr 2005.

*H3rB3i* · 17-02-2005

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Originally Posted by Robn

What happened to Blu-Ray this CES? they had nothing to show, and no nothing to announce. I assumed that when Sony released it's first recorder in Japan April 2003, that Blu-Ray would be the hi-def format first launched. However, at the CES only HD-DVD seemed to have any concrete plans with hardware and software dates for last qtr 2005.

Many things happened around Blu-ray at this years CES.

EA, Vivendi, Texas Instruments and Sun Microsystems have joined the BDA
Philips has shown a PC-drive, capable of writing/reading CD/DVD and Blu-ray
Verbatim/MKM announced development plans for Blu-ray and HD-DVD media
Pioneer has shown a prototype Blu-ray Disk burner
Sonic announced its support for Blu-ray Disk data burning
if you read over CDFreaks @ CES 2005 you can find that Philips have shown us the burning of a BD

*Crabbyappleton* · 17-02-2005

@Robn- Hello and welcome to the Satellite forum!!!!

Philips was there and gave us a very nice demonstration of Blu-ray. In fact, they spent a great amount of time with us so we could ask them questions about this upcoming format. They even burned some video for us on a very cool tri-format Blu-ray PC drive/burner using some special Nero software. We wrote about it a little bit in our summary of this years CES and even have some pictures. They also told us to expect PC based drives by 4th quarter of 2005.

Now, some of us from CD Freaks will be heading to the CeBit show and I bet I know that the Philips booth will be visited again. Hopefully, we can ask some more questions and get some updates on Blu-ray!

Blu-ray is coming, but it is getting hard to wait! Start saving your pennies now.

14-02-2005	#1
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14-02-2005	#2
rdgrimes Retired Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Deadwood Posts: 11,533	Re: Blue-ray technology - why, when? I take strong acception to his statement that HD is only slightly better than DVD. And much of his argument is based on that assumption. Anyone who's seen true HD quality knows this is not so. Still, it IS true that true HD programming is scarce. Most of what we see is DVD quality in HD format. This will probably not change either, satellite and broadcast providers will continue to over-compress signals and deliver less than HD specs. It is true that the DRM is behind much of the push for HD. Of course, DRM is a joke because if you can play it, you can copy it. But, since DRM technology is such a big business, it will continue to drive the marketplace. And the only people really affected by DRM will be the normal end-user, not the pirates.

14-02-2005	#3
furballi MyCE Resident Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,261	Re: Blue-ray technology - why, when? Folks are reluctant to spend more $ on DVD-9s. Those with big screen TVs will be first to embrace Hi Def. The majority of US households have 36" or smaller TVs. Hi Def will not be a big impact with these smaller sets. Don't forget that in major US markets, one can receive TRUE HD TV for FREE with a roof-top antenna. Have you seen any of those in your hood? I submit that most people are not willing to upgrade the monitor and playback device ($1500 to $2000 investments) to get the most out of HD materials. DVD standard is already "very good".

14-02-2005	#6
furballi MyCE Resident Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,261	Re: Blue-ray technology - why, when? Bottomline...$. Folks didn't jump on the DVD bandwagon until the price drops below $100. They do it because they could see a better picture with DVDs. Plus the format is much more convenient than VHS (almost instant access and no rewind). With HD DVD/Blue Ray, there is the possibility of better picture. Without a high resolution monitor, the picture is NO BETTER than today's DVD format. It will take a very long time for US consumers to adopt HD TVs. The current DVD format will still rule, at least until 2010.

16-02-2005	#7
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17-02-2005	#9
Crabbyappleton MyCE Resident Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The helm of the Black Pearl Posts: 5,759	Re: Blue-ray technology - why, when? @Robn- Hello and welcome to the Satellite forum!!!! Philips was there and gave us a very nice demonstration of Blu-ray. In fact, they spent a great amount of time with us so we could ask them questions about this upcoming format. They even burned some video for us on a very cool tri-format Blu-ray PC drive/burner using some special Nero software. We wrote about it a little bit in our summary of this years CES and even have some pictures. They also told us to expect PC based drives by 4th quarter of 2005. Now, some of us from CD Freaks will be heading to the CeBit show and I bet I know that the Philips booth will be visited again. Hopefully, we can ask some more questions and get some updates on Blu-ray! Blu-ray is coming, but it is getting hard to wait! Start saving your pennies now.

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